Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think the biggest problem with SGU was in the first season it was still trying to find its feet. And we had some antagonists such as the Aliens from the first galaxy who even fucking chased them to the next one, and then the drone ships in the second season, which i think, if the show was not cancelled would have become the dominant antagonist for a good while. But they are drones, and you dont have a face, or an entity up close that you can use to represent them against the expedition.

The show more played on the antagonism between the main cast, such as Rush and Young. Which i quite liked, but i do get the criticism of there not being a central enemy early on.

SG-1 had Apophis from episode 1, Atlantis had the Wraith from episode 1. SGU had.. well the Lucien Alliance, but.. they didnt become a main threat till towards the end of the first season, nd the immediate enemy was.. lack of water.


Maybe what they should have done was end up dividing the ship between the Expedition and the Lucien Alliance and have that be the main enemy early on. Say the Alliance take over part of the ship and dig in, and neither side has the resources to dislodge one another.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I might watch SGU again honestly.

[New haven america]

I think the biggest problem with SGU was in the first season it was still trying to find its feet. And we had some antagonists such as the Aliens from the first galaxy who even fucking chased them to the next one, and then the drone ships in the second season, which i think, if the show was not cancelled would have become the dominant antagonist for a good while. But they are drones, and you dont have a face, or an entity up close that you can use to represent them against the expedition.

The show more played on the antagonism between the main cast, such as Rush and Young. Which i quite liked, but i do get the criticism of there not being a central enemy early on.

SG-1 had Apophis from episode 1, Atlantis had the Wraith from episode 1. SGU had.. well the Lucien Alliance, but.. they didnt become a main threat till towards the end of the first season, nd the immediate enemy was.. lack of water.


Maybe what they should have done was end up dividing the ship between the Expedition and the Lucien Alliance and have that be the main enemy early on. Say the Alliance take over part of the ship and dig in, and neither side has the resources to dislodge one another.

I mean, it did have a main enemy from episode 1, and that was pissed off SG-1/A fans trying to boycott and get the thing canceled.

They succeeded.

[Grenartia]

In retrospect, I think its biggest failure was not having an immediate foe from the beginning.

It went the Babylon 5 route of planting story seeds that would then be expanded upon in the future, which is why season 2 is such a massive step up in quality over season 1.

To be fair, while that did work in SG-1's favor, the inherent problem with that approach is that its impossible to tell the difference between doing that, and having a writer's room full of unmanaged ADHD. Its hard to pull that approach off well in man v nature. Thus, until season 2, it felt like everything happening to Destiny and its crew was a series of unnecessarily contrived coincidences (I'm looking at you, Air, Water, and Time). Though, to be perfectly honest, Time was an amazing episode, and really showcased the strengths of the series early episodes.

[Grenartia]

Maybe what they should have done was end up dividing the ship between the Expedition and the Lucien Alliance and have that be the main enemy early on. Say the Alliance take over part of the ship and dig in, and neither side has the resources to dislodge one another.

I'm not sure that would've been a good way to go. Like, for instance, the gate room. Whoever controls that will, in essence, control the ship. Unless they both jointly control it, at which point, what's even the fucking point in continuing the conflict? Besides, how do you get the Lucians on the ship from episode 1? The main conflict of the show comes from being unable to get home, and that comes from the rarity of Icarus planets. Unless, for some reason, the Lucians decide to infiltrate Icarus Base, sneak on board Destiny, and then decide to destroy the planet without getting anything useful from their infiltrators.

I think the biggest problem with SGU was in the first season it was still trying to find its feet. And we had some antagonists such as the Aliens from the first galaxy who even fucking chased them to the next one, and then the drone ships in the second season, which i think, if the show was not cancelled would have become the dominant antagonist for a good while. But they are drones, and you dont have a face, or an entity up close that you can use to represent them against the expedition.

The show more played on the antagonism between the main cast, such as Rush and Young. Which i quite liked, but i do get the criticism of there not being a central enemy early on.

SG-1 had Apophis from episode 1, Atlantis had the Wraith from episode 1. SGU had.. well the Lucien Alliance, but.. they didnt become a main threat till towards the end of the first season, nd the immediate enemy was.. lack of water.


Maybe what they should have done was end up dividing the ship between the Expedition and the Lucien Alliance and have that be the main enemy early on. Say the Alliance take over part of the ship and dig in, and neither side has the resources to dislodge one another.

I mean, it did have a main enemy from episode 1, and that was pissed off SG-1/A fans trying to boycott and get the thing canceled.

They succeeded.

I don't recall there being that much of an organized campaign to get it canceled, though I do remember the exclusive SG1/SGA fans constantly deriding it for being the very "darker and edgier and with a really young cast" thing that was parodied in 200.

But, its because of what happened to SGU (and ENT) that I don't buy into the DIS hate.

Though, what really, truly killed SGU wasn't butthurt fans, it was the network. It had all the money in the fucking world for shitty B-movies and wrestling (and they still apparently do), but apparently SGU wasn't 'very profitable', and the fucking schedule changes were god awful.

[Juristonia]

I still remember people calling it Stargate 90210.

I still think the biggest issue with SGU was that it just wasn't a Stargate show.
It tried to hop on the BSG train, took out everything that made SG-1 and Atlantis enjoyable and replaced it with the whole everything's grim and dark thing, which might've worked on any other scifi show, but not on a Stargate one.

As its own thing, it might've had a chance. As a Stargate thing, none whatsoever.

[New haven america]

I still remember people calling it Stargate 90210.

I still think the biggest issue with SGU was that it just wasn't a Stargate show.
It tried to hop on the BSG train, took out everything that made SG-1 and Atlantis enjoyable and replaced it with the whole everything's grim and dark thing, which might've worked on any other scifi show, but not on a Stargate one.

As its own thing, it might've had a chance. As a Stargate thing, none whatsoever.

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like?

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons. You could never have made an episode like Wormhole Xtreme in season 1.

[Vassenor]

I still remember people calling it Stargate 90210.

I still think the biggest issue with SGU was that it just wasn't a Stargate show.
It tried to hop on the BSG train, took out everything that made SG-1 and Atlantis enjoyable and replaced it with the whole everything's grim and dark thing, which might've worked on any other scifi show, but not on a Stargate one.

As its own thing, it might've had a chance. As a Stargate thing, none whatsoever.

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like?

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons. You could never have made an episode like Wormhole Xtreme in season 1.

Wasn't the big example of nudity in season 1 forced on them by the network?

[New haven america]

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like?

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons. You could never have made an episode like Wormhole Xtreme in season 1.

Wasn't the big example of nudity in season 1 forced on them by the network?

Yes, but there are other hints throughout the season.

[Ism]

I still remember people calling it Stargate 90210.

I still think the biggest issue with SGU was that it just wasn't a Stargate show.
It tried to hop on the BSG train, took out everything that made SG-1 and Atlantis enjoyable and replaced it with the whole everything's grim and dark thing, which might've worked on any other scifi show, but not on a Stargate one.

As its own thing, it might've had a chance. As a Stargate thing, none whatsoever.

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like.

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons.

I only seem to recall nudity in Chariot of the Gods. As for the rest, not sure what you're getting at, only one of those things, lack of comedy, could make it grim and dark. That sort of thing is more about the tone which was always on the more optimistic side, even if there were dark moments. And even season 1 had plenty of humor, unless by comedy you mean episodes like Window of Opportunity, a lack of which still wouldn't make it grim or dark.

[Ameriganastan]

I still remember people calling it Stargate 90210.

I still think the biggest issue with SGU was that it just wasn't a Stargate show.
It tried to hop on the BSG train, took out everything that made SG-1 and Atlantis enjoyable and replaced it with the whole everything's grim and dark thing, which might've worked on any other scifi show, but not on a Stargate one.

As its own thing, it might've had a chance. As a Stargate thing, none whatsoever.

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like?

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons. You could never have made an episode like Wormhole Xtreme in season 1.

Speaking of gore, it's kinda funny seeing how that's changed for ST. Like in AR558, that tube of K-White tubes that guy had were described "As grisly as we could get with Star Trek".

And then Discovery is like, "Ha!"

[Bralia]

Okay, I feel like I'm interrupting an ongoing conversation, but I need to get this out there: My opinion of the Orvilla has radically changed after watching the Identity two-parter: The series is legit. This isn't just some comedy of Seth's, it's a real sci-fi show. Characters worth caring about, extremely well-plotted, conflicts that feel realistic, there's serious in-universe politics and lore and everything. This series is 100% the best sci-fi show since Stargate Atlantis. If the show keeps going, it absolutely deserves to be on the same pantheon as Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and all of the others that earned serious respect.

[Ameriganastan]

Okay, I feel like I'm interrupting an ongoing conversation, but I need to get this out there: My opinion of the Orvilla has radically changed after watching the Identity two-parter: The series is legit. This isn't just some comedy of Seth's, it's a real sci-fi show. Characters worth caring about, extremely well-plotted, conflicts that feel realistic, there's serious in-universe politics and lore and everything. This series is 100% the best sci-fi show since Stargate Atlantis. If the show keeps going, it absolutely deserves to be on the same pantheon as Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and all of the others that earned serious respect.

ONE OF US, ONE OF US.

[Grenartia]

Does no one remember what early SG-1 was like?

Gore, nudity, violence, lack of comedy, etc... was very common in the early seasons. You could never have made an episode like Wormhole Xtreme in season 1.

Speaking of gore, it's kinda funny seeing how that's changed for ST. Like in AR558, that tube of K-White tubes that guy had were described "As grisly as we could get with Star Trek".

And then Discovery is like, "Ha!"

Didn't that guy become Tuco in Breaking Bad? Dude needs to talk to his agent about getting type cast as a guy obsessed with addictive white substances.

[Ameriganastan]

Didn't that guy become Tuco in Breaking Bad? Dude needs to talk to his agent about getting type cast as a guy obsessed with addictive white substances.

No, you're thinking of Vargas. Reese was the guy with the tube necklace.

[Grenartia]

Didn't that guy become Tuco in Breaking Bad? Dude needs to talk to his agent about getting type cast as a guy obsessed with addictive white substances.

No, you're thinking of Vargas. Reese was the guy with the tube necklace.

I could've sworn...

Still, good episode. Someone should totally redub it with a Vietnam War song in the background, though.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Okay, I feel like I'm interrupting an ongoing conversation, but I need to get this out there: My opinion of the Orvilla has radically changed after watching the Identity two-parter: The series is legit. This isn't just some comedy of Seth's, it's a real sci-fi show. Characters worth caring about, extremely well-plotted, conflicts that feel realistic, there's serious in-universe politics and lore and everything. This series is 100% the best sci-fi show since Stargate Atlantis. If the show keeps going, it absolutely deserves to be on the same pantheon as Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and all of the others that earned serious respect.

ONE OF US, ONE OF US.

Oh boy here we go.

[Auristania]

Okay, I feel like I'm interrupting an ongoing conversation, but I need to get this out there: My opinion of the Orvilla has radically changed after watching the Identity two-parter: The series is legit. This isn't just some comedy of Seth's, it's a real sci-fi show. Characters worth caring about, extremely well-plotted, conflicts that feel realistic, there's serious in-universe politics and lore and everything. This series is 100% the best sci-fi show since Stargate Atlantis. If the show keeps going, it absolutely deserves to be on the same pantheon as Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate and all of the others that earned serious respect.

[Purpelia]

I am going to post what is likely an unpopular opinion but the Orville just doesen't work for me. And it's all to do with the comedy. The rest is perfectly fine. But the comedy is just very often odd. Like there was an episode where the joke was basically drawing a parallel to tentacle porn and another where a major plot point was urination. I got them, but I wasn't laughing.

[Juristonia]

Season two gets a little better, but in general, it always just felt like a bog standard MacFarlane thing to me.
Enjoyable, if you're in to that, but nothing special.

[Bralia]

Okay, this is my favorite Youtube piece that I've seen in a long time. I've never really looked at Riker's history so broadly before. He's absolutely right, on all accounts.

[Ameriganastan]

Okay, this is my favorite Youtube piece that I've seen in a long time. I've never really looked at Riker's history so broadly before. He's absolutely right, on all accounts.

*Reads title*
Nope. Downvoted.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Okay, this is my favorite Youtube piece that I've seen in a long time. I've never really looked at Riker's history so broadly before. He's absolutely right, on all accounts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

[Imperial isa]

Okay, this is my favorite Youtube piece that I've seen in a long time. I've never really looked at Riker's history so broadly before. He's absolutely right, on all accounts.

Read YT name as spacedork for some odd reason that is beyond me.

[Bralia]

Okay, this is my favorite Youtube piece that I've seen in a long time. I've never really looked at Riker's history so broadly before. He's absolutely right, on all accounts.

Read YT name as spacedork for some odd reason that is beyond me.

I mean, it's not a wrong term to use. We're all spacedorks here.