Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Ism]

You know, with The Orville existing and being in a flexible older-style Star Trek, it would be really cool if the took a season to get launched far away enough from their home territory to spend the entirety of the season's time getting back. Or get them stuck in an alternate reality. Anything that takes an entire season, really. They could experience a voyage home that's in line with what fans wanted out of Voyager. The Orville crew seem much more inclined to throw out the rulebook than Janeway and Starfleet and the show takes itself seriously enough that I think they could do it well.

Could be good, yeah. Not sure they'd get approval for such a massive shakeup of the show's premise though. Seems like something that would worry the higher ups. Also, not sure it fits with MacFarlane's vision for the show.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I just want lorca back

He's in the next STO expansion.

Yeah but i want him back in discovery

I was so disappointed when the "monster" in the spore drive world turned out to be Culbert instead of Lorca, like great Stamets got his husband back and all but... lorca was awesome.

[Tarsonis]

So, getting off the Orville derail, lets talk about a potential DS9 revisit.

Personally, I'd like to see a plot line where Ben Sisko returns, and eventually gets recruited by Section 31.

The Orville isn’t a derail.

[Wallenburg]

So, getting off the Orville derail, lets talk about a potential DS9 revisit.

Personally, I'd like to see a plot line where Ben Sisko returns, and eventually gets recruited by Section 31.

Such a plot would make no sense, and would fly in the face of the character previously built upon.

[Grenartia]

So, getting off the Orville derail, lets talk about a potential DS9 revisit.

Personally, I'd like to see a plot line where Ben Sisko returns, and eventually gets recruited by Section 31.

The Orville isn’t a derail.

Except, it really is. It'd be like talking about Halo in a Starship Troopers thread.

So, getting off the Orville derail, lets talk about a potential DS9 revisit.

Personally, I'd like to see a plot line where Ben Sisko returns, and eventually gets recruited by Section 31.

Such a plot would make no sense, and would fly in the face of the character previously built upon.

See:

Sisko would never join them.

Of that, I have no doubt, but that doesn't mean they still wouldn't try to use him, a la Bashir.

And I doubt they'd offer. He is not what you look for in a Section 31 guy.

His methods of dealing with post-betrayal Eddington, and of getting the Romulans involved in the Dominion War speak otherwise. He's EXACTLY what they're looking for: a man who can and will do anything to preserve the Federation and its interests, even if it involves going against one of its core principles.

Look at Sloan. Generic looking guy, easy to forget about, real good with slick talk. Sisko is 6'1, bald, never been much on the speechifying and lets his emotions run hot a lot. He's not really spy material.

Surely, there are other operatives with those same attributes.

[New haven america]

The Orville isn’t a derail.

Except, it really is. It'd be like talking about Halo in a Starship Troopers thread.

We're allowed to talk about both of those things here too.

The thread unanimously agreed that other sci-fi works can be talked about here. Hell, weren't you a part of that decision, IIRC?

[Bralia]

Except, it really is. It'd be like talking about Halo in a Starship Troopers thread.

We're allowed to talk about both of those things here too.

The thread unanimously agreed that other sci-fi works can be talked about here. Hell, weren't you a part of that decision, IIRC?

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

[New haven america]

We're allowed to talk about both of those things here too.

The thread unanimously agreed that other sci-fi works can be talked about here. Hell, weren't you a part of that decision, IIRC?

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

JAFFA KREE! Let the rubbing of faces commence!

I'm cool with this being hijacked into an SG thread.

[Vassenor]

We're allowed to talk about both of those things here too.

The thread unanimously agreed that other sci-fi works can be talked about here. Hell, weren't you a part of that decision, IIRC?

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

Are opinions not allowed to change or something?

[Bralia]

Gren, you've been called out as a liar. Dare you respond and have your reputation smeared even further?

[Ism]

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

Are opinions not allowed to change or something?

Obviously. Didn't you see the Space Pope's (May the Holy Radiation be with him) latest space memo?

[Bralia]

Okay, that's cool, the very first doctor timeline-wise and the most advanced Starfleet doctor meeting up on the Orville. Shame they weren't actually doctors so one of them could out-doctor the other.

[Tarsonis]

We’ve also acknowledge the Orville as spiritual successor to Trek, thus while the others are all generic sci-fi one could argue should have their own thread, the Orville is perfectly at home here.

[Bixim]

It's okay I'm not really into sci-fi movies

[Vassenor]

It's okay I'm not really into sci-fi movies

Cool Story Bro.

[Tarsonis]

It's okay I'm not really into sci-fi movies

I’m not really into bottled water either.

[Grenartia]

We're allowed to talk about both of those things here too.

The thread unanimously agreed that other sci-fi works can be talked about here. Hell, weren't you a part of that decision, IIRC?

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

Them.

Gren, you've been called out as a liar. Dare you respond and have your reputation smeared even further?

Liar? No. I was being mostly facetious.

We’ve also acknowledge the Orville as spiritual successor to Trek,

I don't recall being part of that decision.

thus while the others are all generic sci-fi one could argue should have their own thread, the Orville is perfectly at home here.

I'm just tired of seeing it getting talked about while people shit on the actual new trek we have.

LIke, I have nothing against Orville, I just never get to watch it because of work. And perhaps that's a good thing, because me becoming a fan of a show while its still on the air is the kiss of death for it. I was just getting into Enterprise when it got canned, I was a fan of SGU from the very beginning, and we all remember how that turned out, same with Dark Matter, etc.

So, Orville and Disco fans can both thank me.

[Tarsonis]

Go back and find his post where he concurs so we can rub it in his face and call him a liar.

Them.

Gren, you've been called out as a liar. Dare you respond and have your reputation smeared even further?

Liar? No. I was being mostly facetious.

We’ve also acknowledge the Orville as spiritual successor to Trek,

I don't recall being part of that decision.

thus while the others are all generic sci-fi one could argue should have their own thread, the Orville is perfectly at home here.

I'm just tired of seeing it getting talked about while people shit on the actual new trek we have.

LIke, I have nothing against Orville, I just never get to watch it because of work. And perhaps that's a good thing, because me becoming a fan of a show while its still on the air is the kiss of death for it. I was just getting into Enterprise when it got canned, I was a fan of SGU from the very beginning, and we all remember how that turned out, same with Dark Matter, etc.

So, Orville and Disco fans can both thank me.

Honestly, I loved SGU when it was airing, but upon review I didn’t really like it’s much.

[Grenartia]

Them.



Liar? No. I was being mostly facetious.



I don't recall being part of that decision.



I'm just tired of seeing it getting talked about while people shit on the actual new trek we have.

LIke, I have nothing against Orville, I just never get to watch it because of work. And perhaps that's a good thing, because me becoming a fan of a show while its still on the air is the kiss of death for it. I was just getting into Enterprise when it got canned, I was a fan of SGU from the very beginning, and we all remember how that turned out, same with Dark Matter, etc.

So, Orville and Disco fans can both thank me.

Honestly, I loved SGU when it was airing, but upon review I didn’t really like it’s much.

In retrospect, I think its biggest failure was not having an immediate foe from the beginning.

[Tarsonis]

Honestly, I loved SGU when it was airing, but upon review I didn’t really like it’s much.

In retrospect, I think its biggest failure was not having an immediate foe from the beginning.

Was also abnoxiously dark at times. Like I get the idea was a character study more than a campy shootem up like SG1 was, but it was such a downer all the time. BSG worked because while it was dark and gritty, the whole franchise was that way. SGU didn’t make the transition well.

[Grenartia]

In retrospect, I think its biggest failure was not having an immediate foe from the beginning.

Was also abnoxiously dark at times. Like I get the idea was a character study more than a campy shootem up like SG1 was, but it was such a downer all the time. BSG worked because while it was dark and gritty, the whole franchise was that way. SGU didn’t make the transition well.

I think that's more of a side-effect of the type of conflict present than a separate decision.

Man v nature kind of exclusively lends itself to 'obnoxiously dark and gritty downer all the time' unless you're writing some sort of 'Rambo suffers testosterone poisoning while going hunting' story.

[Tarsonis]

Was also abnoxiously dark at times. Like I get the idea was a character study more than a campy shootem up like SG1 was, but it was such a downer all the time. BSG worked because while it was dark and gritty, the whole franchise was that way. SGU didn’t make the transition well.

I think that's more of a side-effect of the type of conflict present than a separate decision.

Man v nature kind of exclusively lends itself to 'obnoxiously dark and gritty downer all the time' unless you're writing some sort of 'Rambo suffers testosterone poisoning while going hunting' story.

I dunno, Voyager managed to be upbeat a good portion of the time.

[Grenartia]

I think that's more of a side-effect of the type of conflict present than a separate decision.

Man v nature kind of exclusively lends itself to 'obnoxiously dark and gritty downer all the time' unless you're writing some sort of 'Rambo suffers testosterone poisoning while going hunting' story.

I dunno, Voyager managed to be upbeat a good portion of the time.

Voyager also had recurring a recurring antagonist faction from day one, and replacements for that faction, and replacements for them. Man v nature was honestly a secondary conflict on Voyager.

[Tarsonis]

I dunno, Voyager managed to be upbeat a good portion of the time.

Voyager also had recurring a recurring antagonist faction from day one, and replacements for that faction, and replacements for them. Man v nature was honestly a secondary conflict on Voyager.

Hmm that's a fair point.

[New haven america]

Honestly, I loved SGU when it was airing, but upon review I didn’t really like it’s much.

In retrospect, I think its biggest failure was not having an immediate foe from the beginning.

It went the Babylon 5 route of planting story seeds that would then be expanded upon in the future, which is why season 2 is such a massive step up in quality over season 1.