Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Tarsonis]

Klingon genitalia aside, I thought it was a decent enough finale. The second half of the season was a significant improvement over the first.

The redesign of the Klingons was always my biggest gripe with the show.

Since the Enterprise was revealed at the end of the episode, they better have Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike in season two. I'd hate for the role to be recast.

Well he is a bit old for the role...

[Aillyria]

I just think it looks dumb. That, and the entire "Bring your children and families on-board" thing always irked me.

I never much cared for the whole bringing families into the frequently deadly unknown areas of space thing either, but isn't that more of a policy problem than a design problem?

I personally think it's both. From the POV of a sailor, the Galaxy Class while powerful and advanced, wasn't as effective as it could've been. It was supposed to be a Battlecruiser, but had more in common with a Luxury Cruiseship. I was glad to see a more functional warship with the advent of the Sovereign Class.

Until "Waltz" anyway. Kinda goes downhill after that.

Just watched this again last night, and its just as good as it was the first time. And, to be fair, its kind of hard to improve on that performance.

I just got finished rewatching Waltz myself tonight, as part of my rewatch of DS9.....amazing, I love Dukat. ♡

[Imperial isa]

Today I learned Klingons have 2 dicks . Thanks STD .

I told someone that and they said was it something we really wanted to know and it all so lead to a long talk i wish never every happen.

[Tarsonis]

I assume both Klingon dicks work, as id imagine they cut off one of Voq's to make him Tyler and he still performed with Michael.



.... I now understand how liberals felt on election night

[Ameriganastan]

Can we stop discussing Klingon schlongs? This is getting weird...

[Brusia]

I never much cared for the whole bringing families into the frequently deadly unknown areas of space thing either, but isn't that more of a policy problem than a design problem?

I personally think it's both. From the POV of a sailor, the Galaxy Class while powerful and advanced, wasn't as effective as it could've been. It was supposed to be a Battlecruiser, but had more in common with a Luxury Cruiseship. I was glad to see a more functional warship with the advent of the Sovereign Class.

Wasn't it originally designed to be a long-range exploration vessel though? Unlike the Sovereign, it was designed in an era of relative peace, before Starfleet even knew about the Borg or the Dominion, and I imagine was planned to be more in line with Starfleet's stated purpose of being an organization primarily devoted to exploration (had it initially been designed to be a Battlecruiser, I imagine it would've turned out looking a good deal more like the Galaxy-X class we see in All Good Things). It seems like it wasn't until after Wolf 359 that Starfleet began focusing alot of effort into designing dedicated warships like the Defiant, Sovereign, and Prometheus classes.

[Tarsonis]

Can we stop discussing Klingon schlongs? This is getting weird...

Don't blame me, I wasn't the one who made it Star Trek canon that Klingons have double the equipment and double the function.

[Juristonia]

Defiant is a special case and has been my go-to DPS ship in STO for years, I live it that much.

For main series vessels it's still the TNG era over anything else though.

You just reminded me that STO exists, so I finally splurged on a tier 6 guardian cruiser, since I was still running with my atrox carrier.

For some reason I always play the hell out of that game for months, only to completely forget about it again for ages after that.

[Aillyria]

I personally think it's both. From the POV of a sailor, the Galaxy Class while powerful and advanced, wasn't as effective as it could've been. It was supposed to be a Battlecruiser, but had more in common with a Luxury Cruiseship. I was glad to see a more functional warship with the advent of the Sovereign Class.

Wasn't it originally designed to be a long-range exploration vessel though? Unlike the Sovereign, it was designed in an era of relative peace, before Starfleet even knew about the Borg or the Dominion, and I imagine was planned to be more in line with Starfleet's stated purpose of being an organization primarily devoted to exploration (had it initially been designed to be a Battlecruiser, I imagine it would've turned out looking a good deal more like the Galaxy-X class we see in All Good Things). It seems like it wasn't until after Wolf 359 that Starfleet began focusing alot of effort into designing dedicated warships like the Defiant, Sovereign, and Prometheus classes.

Yes it was a long range exploration ship and a battlecruiser, however like you said, with the relative peace Starfleet let their guard down and made it too cushy, imho. I would have loved for the Galaxy-X to have been the actual ship. Of course, the Intrepid Class was also a longrange exploration/multi-role vessel, but was much better suited to being a warship than the Galaxy and much faster (top speed of warp 9.975).

[Starblaydia]

Defiant is a special case and has been my go-to DPS ship in STO for years, I live it that much.

For main series vessels it's still the TNG era over anything else though.

You just reminded me that STO exists, so I finally splurged on a tier 6 guardian cruiser, since I was still running with my atrox carrier.

For some reason I always play the hell out of that game for months, only to completely forget about it again for ages after that.

I'm similar - play the hell out of it for a while before I get sick of the ground missions and I'm not doing anything new in space. Then after a while, back again with a different character and a different set of ships until I get to that same spot again.

[Grenartia]

Whoever decided to schedule things so that These Are the Voyages... would run on Valentine's Day is mentally sick in the head.

[Aillyria]

Whoever decided to schedule things so that These Are the Voyages... would run on Valentine's Day is mentally sick in the head.

Wtf.....why that episode? Sick fucks!

[Grenartia]

Whoever decided to schedule things so that These Are the Voyages... would run on Valentine's Day is mentally sick in the head.

Wtf.....why that episode? Sick fucks!

Like, the channel shows them all in order, but this cannot be mere coincidence.

[Charellia]

Tilly is not autistic by any imagination of the spectrum. She's not even that weird of a person.

I don't think you can assume that. TV shows tend to rely on stereotypes, but a lot of people on the spectrum are not obviously autistic. That line in episode three about "special needs" did seem to imply that she was on the spectrum, but it is certainly open to interpretation. I'd say the evidence is inconclusive.

[Tarsonis]

Tilly is not autistic by any imagination of the spectrum. She's not even that weird of a person.

I don't think you can assume that. TV shows tend to rely on stereotypes, but a lot of people on the spectrum are not obviously autistic. That line in episode three about "special needs" did seem to imply that she was on the spectrum, but it is certainly open to interpretation. I'd say the evidence is inconclusive.

The special needs was in reference to her allergies and sleeping arrangements not her cognition or personality, other than being slightly chatty and socially awkward at first. Which is understandable as she's also a cadet not an officer.


She's not even remotely autistic, and anyone claiming she's is projecting hardcore.

[Charellia]

I don't think you can assume that. TV shows tend to rely on stereotypes, but a lot of people on the spectrum are not obviously autistic. That line in episode three about "special needs" did seem to imply that she was on the spectrum, but it is certainly open to interpretation. I'd say the evidence is inconclusive.

The special needs was in reference to her allergies and sleeping arrangements not her cognition or personality, other than being slightly chatty and socially awkward at first. Which is understandable as she's also a cadet not an officer.


She's not even remotely autistic, and anyone claiming she's is projecting hardcore.

I am inclined to agree with you about the allergies, but there are plenty of other ways that the writers could have phrased that that wouldn't have implied Tilly was ASD. They still chose to make her "special needs" initially vague, which is a very odd creative choice if they weren't trying to imply anything.

I think you are mistaken in your assumptions about ASD. I know a few people on the spectrum who show the same behavioural quirks as Tilly. As I said before, not everybody on the spectrum shows obvious symptoms. Having quirks and being on the spectrum are not mutually exclusive. Tilly acts autistic enough to be on the high-functioning end of the spectrum. Yes, she could just be socially awkward, but she could also have ASD and be socially awkward. Just because she is not the kind of heavy-handed stereotype that people with ASD are usually portrayed as on television doesn't rule out the possibility that she has it. There is no reason whatsoever to presume that she is neurotypical by default when her behaviour is consistent with high-functioning ASD. Tilly is ambiguous.

Honestly, I hope that they keep her ambiguous. On tv, characters on the spectrum tend to have that as their defining trait, but that's not usually the case in real life. Tilly could easily have ASD, and could just as easily not. For the purpose of the show it doesn't particularly matter, which is what makes her such a great representation of people on the spectrum.

[Tarsonis]

The special needs was in reference to her allergies and sleeping arrangements not her cognition or personality, other than being slightly chatty and socially awkward at first. Which is understandable as she's also a cadet not an officer.


She's not even remotely autistic, and anyone claiming she's is projecting hardcore.

I am inclined to agree with you about the allergies, but there are plenty of other ways that the writers could have phrased that that wouldn't have implied Tilly was ASD. They still chose to make her "special needs" initially vague, which is a very odd creative choice if they weren't trying to imply anything.

I think you are mistaken in your assumptions about ASD. I know a few people on the spectrum who show the same behavioural quirks as Tilly. As I said before, not everybody on the spectrum shows obvious symptoms. Having quirks and being on the spectrum are not mutually exclusive. Tilly acts autistic enough to be on the high-functioning end of the spectrum. Yes, she could just be socially awkward, but she could also have ASD and be socially awkward. Just because she is not the kind of heavy-handed stereotype that people with ASD are usually portrayed as on television doesn't rule out the possibility that she has it. There is no reason whatsoever to presume that she is neurotypical by default when her behaviour is consistent with high-functioning ASD. Tilly is ambiguous.

Honestly, I hope that they keep her ambiguous. On tv, characters on the spectrum tend to have that as their defining trait, but that's not usually the case in real life. Tilly could easily have ASD, and could just as easily not. For the purpose of the show it doesn't particularly matter, which is what makes her such a great representation of people on the spectrum.

Alright fine if it means that much to you but keep in mind that's not canon, that's eisegesis

[Auristania]

I personally think it's both. From the POV of a sailor, the Galaxy Class while powerful and advanced, wasn't as effective as it could've been. It was supposed to be a Battlecruiser, but had more in common with a Luxury Cruiseship. I was glad to see a more functional warship with the advent of the Sovereign Class.

Wasn't it originally designed to be a long-range exploration vessel though? Unlike the Sovereign, it was designed in an era of relative peace, before Starfleet even knew about the Borg or the Dominion, and I imagine was planned to be more in line with Starfleet's stated purpose of being an organization primarily devoted to exploration (had it initially been designed to be a Battlecruiser, I imagine it would've turned out looking a good deal more like the Galaxy-X class we see in All Good Things). It seems like it wasn't until after Wolf 359 that Starfleet began focusing alot of effort into designing dedicated warships like the Defiant, Sovereign, and Prometheus classes.

Children on a War-ship???

It's retarded.

But it illustrates the dialectic of Gene's Vision versus Studio Execs.

Taking children on a perfectly safe mission? That's logical, Captain.
Strategemo - TNG War Games Scenario, Ferengi don't understand, hilarity ensues.

Riker makes a big speech, we are a ship of Peace, we shouldn't do military drills.

Gene's Vision is a Universe with no money and therefore no conflict.
Therefore, Space is a safe place to take children.

There must be millions of episodes: Hologram safety Protocols worked; Transporters SAFELY sent people from one place to another; Star-ship was a safe place to be. Studio Execs suppressed all those episodes.

[Charellia]

I am inclined to agree with you about the allergies, but there are plenty of other ways that the writers could have phrased that that wouldn't have implied Tilly was ASD. They still chose to make her "special needs" initially vague, which is a very odd creative choice if they weren't trying to imply anything.

I think you are mistaken in your assumptions about ASD. I know a few people on the spectrum who show the same behavioural quirks as Tilly. As I said before, not everybody on the spectrum shows obvious symptoms. Having quirks and being on the spectrum are not mutually exclusive. Tilly acts autistic enough to be on the high-functioning end of the spectrum. Yes, she could just be socially awkward, but she could also have ASD and be socially awkward. Just because she is not the kind of heavy-handed stereotype that people with ASD are usually portrayed as on television doesn't rule out the possibility that she has it. There is no reason whatsoever to presume that she is neurotypical by default when her behaviour is consistent with high-functioning ASD. Tilly is ambiguous.

Honestly, I hope that they keep her ambiguous. On tv, characters on the spectrum tend to have that as their defining trait, but that's not usually the case in real life. Tilly could easily have ASD, and could just as easily not. For the purpose of the show it doesn't particularly matter, which is what makes her such a great representation of people on the spectrum.

Alright fine if it means that much to you but keep in mind that's not canon, that's eisegesis

I know its not canon. That's why I used the word "ambiguous" so many times. I don't believe I am projecting what I want to see onto the text, though. The show characterized Tilly in a way that can be read as being on the autism spectrum. I'm not even claiming that she is, just that she can be read that way. But I've presented my evidence, and you've responded with ad hominems and Freudian pseudo-psychology, so I'm thinking we've reached the end of productive discussion.

[Juristonia]

Your both wrong, and I'm right, even though I haven't said anything about this particular topic.

There.
Problem solved.

[Tarsonis]

Alright fine if it means that much to you but keep in mind that's not canon, that's eisegesis

I know its not canon. That's why I used the word "ambiguous" so many times. I don't believe I am projecting what I want to see onto the text, though. The show characterized Tilly in a way that can be read as being on the autism spectrum. I'm not even claiming that she is, just that she can be read that way. But I've presented my evidence, and you've responded with ad hominems and Freudian pseudo-psychology, so I'm thinking we've reached the end of productive discussion.

I haven't made an ad hominem. You've claimed it "could be" and I'm saying you're seeing that because you want to see it. It's a perfectly valid critique

[Equality of Nations]

There are no interesting lead characters on the Discovery. They've managed to make sense of the story throughout the season though.

[Charellia]

I know its not canon. That's why I used the word "ambiguous" so many times. I don't believe I am projecting what I want to see onto the text, though. The show characterized Tilly in a way that can be read as being on the autism spectrum. I'm not even claiming that she is, just that she can be read that way. But I've presented my evidence, and you've responded with ad hominems and Freudian pseudo-psychology, so I'm thinking we've reached the end of productive discussion.

I haven't made an ad hominem. You've claimed it "could be" and I'm saying you're seeing that because you want to see it. It's a perfectly valid critique

You are attacking my credibility without addressing any aspect of my argument (not to mention baselessly assuming my thought process). If you want to actually respond to my points or make a real argument, I'll listen. Right now you are just declaring yourself right and that my evidence is invalid, without offering any evidence of your own.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

[Aillyria]

I need one of you guys to help me figure out something with Star Trek. Do the Borg adapt communally or more on a smaller basis? I'm not sure if there's any elaboration in the show or movies, but if the Borg adapt as a species, then First Contact has something that kind of undermines the idea of Borg invincibility, and that's that several Borg drones are killed in the movie in melee combat, whether by Data with his fits, or Worf with some Klingon knife (don't think it's a Bat'leth, could be wrong though). If they can't adapt to melee combat, it also stands to reason that they can't adapt to being shot with kinetic weapons like bows or guns. And, if that's the case, then the Federation is totally stupid for not issuing their crews with guns and bayonets.

The Borg are really strong, but weren't meant to be invincible. I'd personally say they adapt more collectively than individually, since they stress the whole over the one in general. It can be seen that the Collective more or less micromanages the drones, leaving the single borg very few situations to make individual decisions. That fact is showcased in the fact that you can board their vessels rather easily and not be swarmed by drones as long as you don't go around tinkering with their stuff.