I haven't seen TOS
It's next on my list once I finish DS9.
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by Collatis » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:15 pm
PRO: social democracy, internationalism, progressivism, democracy,
republicanism, human rights, democratic socialism, Keynesianism,
EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
antisemitism, isolationism, Republican Party, Donald Trump
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by Ameriganastan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:30 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Rostavykhan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:31 pm
The Alexanderians wrote:No one's got any love for Enterprise I see
by The Alexanderians » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:34 pm
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Tarsonis » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:21 pm
Ameriganastan wrote:10 years to perfect a bio-weapon.
Bashir cures it in a week.
I sometimes wonder how early they planned on him being an Augment...
by Ameriganastan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:23 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Grenartia » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:30 pm
Ism wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Personally, I like Enterprise. Are there bad episodes? Yes, especially in the first two seasons. But from season 3 on, it was an amazing series (with the exception of the finale). Also, even out of the first 2 seasons, there's gems. Shuttlepod One and Dear Doctor, for instance.
Dear Doctor? The episode where Enterprise creates a cure for a people dying of plague, throws it away, tells them they’ll “probably” find a cure on their own, and then smugly pat themselves on the back for being so moral?
by Ism » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:05 pm
Grenartia wrote:Ism wrote:
Dear Doctor? The episode where Enterprise creates a cure for a people dying of plague, throws it away, tells them they’ll “probably” find a cure on their own, and then smugly pat themselves on the back for being so moral?
Its not good for the resolution, its good for the way they presented the dilemma.
by Collatis » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:03 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Is that the Phage?
PRO: social democracy, internationalism, progressivism, democracy,
republicanism, human rights, democratic socialism, Keynesianism,
EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
antisemitism, isolationism, Republican Party, Donald Trump
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by Ameriganastan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:12 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Collatis » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:18 pm
PRO: social democracy, internationalism, progressivism, democracy,
republicanism, human rights, democratic socialism, Keynesianism,
EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
antisemitism, isolationism, Republican Party, Donald Trump
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by Ameriganastan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:22 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by The Alexanderians » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:32 pm
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Grenartia » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:18 am
Ism wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Its not good for the resolution, its good for the way they presented the dilemma.
The dilemma was not an actual dilemma, so no, it wasn’t handled well. A species was suffering from a genetic disease, which Phlox decided meant that nature intended for them to die out, and thus it would be wrong to cure they’re disease. That’s not a defensible position, for a number of reasons but mostly because nature doesn’t intend anything, and Archer was clearly in the right.
by Ism » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:37 am
Grenartia wrote:Ism wrote:
The dilemma was not an actual dilemma, so no, it wasn’t handled well. A species was suffering from a genetic disease, which Phlox decided meant that nature intended for them to die out, and thus it would be wrong to cure they’re disease. That’s not a defensible position, for a number of reasons but mostly because nature doesn’t intend anything, and Archer was clearly in the right.
The true dilemma (as in, the one the audience should be concerned with) is whether it was right to negatively impact the future of the Menk (who were, for all intents and purposes, the Valakians' pets, despite arguably being sentient). To that end, I remind you of the good doctor's argument about neanderthals vs homo sapiens.
by The Alexanderians » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:40 am
Ism wrote:Grenartia wrote:
The true dilemma (as in, the one the audience should be concerned with) is whether it was right to negatively impact the future of the Menk (who were, for all intents and purposes, the Valakians' pets, despite arguably being sentient). To that end, I remind you of the good doctor's argument about neanderthals vs homo sapiens.
Who is negatively impacting the future of the Menk here? And how?
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Ism » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:55 am
by The Alexanderians » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:01 am
Ism wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:By letting the other species live and maybe extend their lives another generation or so they continue to subjugate the Menk for a meaningless effort.
So, letting one species die out so that another one, which remember is dependent on the first for it's current lifestyle, and lacks the knowledge and capability to sustain itself, be free, is moral? Seems like it will be centuries at least before the Menk actually recover from the impending disaster as their society collapses and they struggle to survive on their own. Of course, as the story makes clear the Menk still need to evolve the same mental capacity of the Valakians, which is not guaranteed to ever happen, and if it does will likely take thousands of years. So, one species dies out so that another might one day be able to build it's own civilization(s) is the end result. The Valakians, they're people and culture(s) all vanish, the Menk wither in their absence as they must learn to survive on their own for the first time in centuries, perhaps millennia, and they might never reclaim the standard of living they have presently.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:33 am
by Ism » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:36 am
The Alexanderians wrote:Ism wrote:
So, letting one species die out so that another one, which remember is dependent on the first for it's current lifestyle, and lacks the knowledge and capability to sustain itself, be free, is moral? Seems like it will be centuries at least before the Menk actually recover from the impending disaster as their society collapses and they struggle to survive on their own. Of course, as the story makes clear the Menk still need to evolve the same mental capacity of the Valakians, which is not guaranteed to ever happen, and if it does will likely take thousands of years. So, one species dies out so that another might one day be able to build it's own civilization(s) is the end result. The Valakians, they're people and culture(s) all vanish, the Menk wither in their absence as they must learn to survive on their own for the first time in centuries, perhaps millennia, and they might never reclaim the standard of living they have presently.
Its more like a planet of the apes situation with less racial commentary.
by The Alexanderians » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:38 am
Ism wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:Its more like a planet of the apes situation with less racial commentary.
Except apes aren't provided for by humans. We do not feed, medicate, and clothe them, nor do we have any major contact with them. If all humans died out, it wouldn't deprive the apes of much. The Menk, however, would lose a great deal.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Auristania » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:44 pm
Grenartia wrote:Ism wrote:
The dilemma was not an actual dilemma, so no, it wasn’t handled well. A species was suffering from a genetic disease, which Phlox decided meant that nature intended for them to die out, and thus it would be wrong to cure they’re disease. That’s not a defensible position, for a number of reasons but mostly because nature doesn’t intend anything, and Archer was clearly in the right.
The true dilemma (as in, the one the audience should be concerned with) is whether it was right to negatively impact the future of the Menk (who were, for all intents and purposes, the Valakians' pets, despite arguably being sentient). To that end, I remind you of the good doctor's argument about neanderthals vs homo sapiens.
by Ameriganastan » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:00 pm
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Tarsonis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:00 pm
Ameriganastan wrote:Come on, Orville. That episode was good until you went with theThat's what happens when you let Brannon Braga touch the show."All just a simulation" copout twist.
by Grenartia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:09 am
Ism wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:Its more like a planet of the apes situation with less racial commentary.
Except apes aren't provided for by humans. We do not feed, medicate, and clothe them, nor do we have any major contact with them. If all humans died out, it wouldn't deprive the apes of much. The Menk, however, would lose a great deal.
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