Scifi TV Discussion Thread

[Crysuko]

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Watcher_(episode)#Continuity :
"' In the original timeline, their friendship originated in 1893, when Guinan first met Picard as he traveled back in time to the 19th century (TNG: "Time's Arrow"). However, Guinan does not remember that encounter as she meets Picard in this episode. This was explained by Star Trek: Picard showrunner Terry Matalas: “This Guinan wouldn't remember Picard because in this alternate timeline, the TNG episode "Time's Arrow" never happened. Because there was no Federation, those events did not play out the same. No previous relationship exists.""

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Un ... st_century)#Punk_001

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

There's also a mention of a sanctuary district

[HC Eredivisie]

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Watcher_(episode)#Continuity :
"' In the original timeline, their friendship originated in 1893, when Guinan first met Picard as he traveled back in time to the 19th century (TNG: "Time's Arrow"). However, Guinan does not remember that encounter as she meets Picard in this episode. This was explained by Star Trek: Picard showrunner Terry Matalas: “This Guinan wouldn't remember Picard because in this alternate timeline, the TNG episode "Time's Arrow" never happened. Because there was no Federation, those events did not play out the same. No previous relationship exists.""

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Un ... st_century)#Punk_001

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

[Juristonia]

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

Oh, don't worry He'll complain about that too.

[Tarsonis]

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

though the memberberry shouldn't work either. just like Time's Arrow never happened in the timeline, neither would have Voyage home. So our lovable punk must have gotten stuffed by someone else

or the throat grab was just a wicked case of dejavu

[New haven america]

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

It's the most famous scene from the 2nd most popular ST movie ever made.

Just looking up the movie on YouTube and you can find it instantly.

[New haven america]

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

Oh, don't worry He'll complain about that too.

Well no, because the guy claiming to be Picard in STP is a Pod Person.

Can't say something's a memberberry when they're not actually referencing the source material.

[Juristonia]

[Stellar Colonies]

send help

[Ameriganastan]

6 Oscars for Dune. Pretty much swept the technical awards. Visual effects, sound, cinematography, original score, film editing and production design.

[Vassenor]

And how does a memberberry disprove my point?

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

And the way it implies that even in this timeline he was still Nerve Pinched by Spock somehow.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

And the way it implies that even in this timeline he was still Nerve Pinched by Spock somehow.

Pardon me for not keeping up with nuTrek, but is STP a different timeline from Star Trek IV? If so, why?

[Tarsonis]

And the way it implies that even in this timeline he was still Nerve Pinched by Spock somehow.

Pardon me for not keeping up with nuTrek, but is STP a different timeline from Star Trek IV? If so, why?

that's the whole plot of the second season. Q doing alternate timeline shenanigans

[HC Eredivisie]

It means that they know enough about it to include him, it doesn't mean they actually care about canon. But you can dismiss every reference as a memberberry and so claim they don't know about the franchise, like isn't Picard himself is just a memberberry for TNG?

though the memberberry shouldn't work either. just like Time's Arrow never happened in the timeline, neither would have Voyage home. So our lovable punk must have gotten stuffed by someone else

or the throat grab was just a wicked case of dejavu

I suppose they still had to get whales to prevent Earth from being destroyed.

Oh, don't worry He'll complain about that too.

Well no, because the guy claiming to be Picard in STP is a Pod Person.

Can't say something's a memberberry when they're not actually referencing the source material.

I don't understand, pod person?

[The Huskar Social Union]

6 Oscars for Dune. Pretty much swept the technical awards. Visual effects, sound, cinematography, original score, film editing and production design.

Yeah id say thats well earned honestly. The Visual designs and effects, as well as how the movie is shot were like my favourite things about it, very very good. Glad to see the movie do well.

[Tarsonis]

though the memberberry shouldn't work either. just like Time's Arrow never happened in the timeline, neither would have Voyage home. So our lovable punk must have gotten stuffed by someone else

or the throat grab was just a wicked case of dejavu

I suppose they still had to get whales to prevent Earth from being destroyed.

Maybe but would the Goatee Crew go back? And would Goatee spock just pinch the guy? I dunno I'm just gonna enjoy the reference and not think too hard about it

[HC Eredivisie]

I suppose they still had to get whales to prevent Earth from being destroyed.

Maybe but would the Goatee Crew go back? And would Goatee spock just pinch the guy? I dunno I'm just gonna enjoy the reference and not think too hard about it

I don't even know why a human/alien hybrid would even exist in a Humanity First universe so I assume Goatee Kirk hit him.
And just as with the Mirror Universe, the differences with the main universe would be so big that no one we know should even exist. Best just to enjoy it then.

[Stellar Colonies]

Maybe but would the Goatee Crew go back? And would Goatee spock just pinch the guy? I dunno I'm just gonna enjoy the reference and not think too hard about it

I don't even know why a human/alien hybrid would even exist in a Humanity First universe so I assume Goatee Kirk hit him.
And just as with the Mirror Universe, the differences with the main universe would be so big that no one we know should even exist. Best just to enjoy it then.

There's references to "General Sisko" in dialogue and to Tasha Yar fighting an Andorian rebellion, O'Brien fighting the "Dominion Alliance", and Tuvok being in charge of the Vulcan Defense Forces on the console that Seven's looking at in the second episode, so there's certainly some realism-stretching fanservice being leaned into.

[New haven america]

though the memberberry shouldn't work either. just like Time's Arrow never happened in the timeline, neither would have Voyage home. So our lovable punk must have gotten stuffed by someone else

or the throat grab was just a wicked case of dejavu

I suppose they still had to get whales to prevent Earth from being destroyed.

Well no, because the guy claiming to be Picard in STP is a Pod Person.

Can't say something's a memberberry when they're not actually referencing the source material.

I don't understand, pod person?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Snatchers

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I have just recently seen all the first 10 Star Trek movies. All movies except the JJ Abrams ones, so I will give them all a brief review and a rating.

I The Motion Picture (6/10): Interesting plot that resolves well, and I like the conversations between the main cast. But this has a severe case of "episode syndrome" where the plot isn't meaty or thick enough to fill a movie and would be much more suited to an episode. As a result it feels like the film bombards the viewer with drawn out sequences which reach ridiculous lengths in order to reach its runtime.

II The Wrath Of Kahn (9/10): Extremely well paced, well directed, well written, well acted. Everything works here. Not much to say that hasn't been said.

III The Search For Spock (7/10): I don't understand why this one is regarded as bad. It's definitely not perfect, but it has heaps of great scenes, it's well paced, and the good concept is executed well.

IV The Voyage Home (8/10): Very good, very fun movie. Not as deep as the wrath of Kahn but it makes up for it by being fun.

V The Final Frontier (6/10): It's very goofy but I find it quite enjoyable. Most of the scenes are entertaining and enjoyable to watch, and the main problems are the extreme camp and goofiness that I am willing to overlook. Don't know why it gets the hate that it does.

VI The Undiscovered Country (9/10): I adore the themes and characters in this. The villain is great, Kirk's struggle is great. Spock's struggle is great. I adore the political subtext here, and the nature of the antagonists' coalition. It's very interesting. The prison scenes are goofy but in the best way. The mystery is fun. This film makes me feel good.

VII Generations (4/10): It does not work. Picard feels slightly out of character here, as does Data. The prologue feels really out of place and dangly here. The subplot with Data goes nowhere, makes no sense, and glaringly contradicts important themes and rules established in the final season of the show. Kirk is nowhere to be found for most of the film, and the dialogue between Kirk and Picard is extremely poor. Really does not do justice to the premise of Star Trek's two most famous captains meeting each other. The villain is kinda week too, lacking much in the way of depth or intimidation or presence. Also no one in the TNG cast has anything to do except Picard and maybe Data.

VIII First Contact (7/10): This is an insanely good action film. In that context, every scene is fun, interesting and enjoyable as the film is paced quite well. Unfortunately the amazing action and amazing set-pieces are accompanied by characters, themes, and plot that is merely serviceable. Not bad, just serviceable. And while that is unfortunate, I am not too bothered this time because it's such a great action movie.

IX Insurrection (4/10): Insurrection also suffers from "episode syndrome" but unlike TMP which could have been a good TOS episode had it been an episode, I don't think Insurrection could have been anything but a mediocre TNG episode. That said, this film is still decently paced which kept it from being too boring. And there isn't anything flagrantly bad about the plot or characters (aside from the Baku being a unlikable people). I think this film is very mediocre but it doesn't do anything wrong enough to be terrible, and it is well paced enough to avoid being worthless.

X Nemesis (2.5/10): Terrible. The villain is a really tired trope that they don't do anything with, and he makes no sense in his motivations. Heaps of plot beats are highly predictable. Nobody has anything to do except Picard. Heaps of the dialogue is vomit-inducing, Picard is really out of character, and the film is way too long. Also Data's sacrifice is nothing but stolen valor from TWOK.

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Interestingly, I seem to at least somewhat enjoy most of the TOS movies, while I dislike all but one of the TNG movies. That is strange because TNG is one of my favourite shows whereas I haven't seen much of TOS. Perhaps if I were closer to TOS then I would see the flaws in some of the movies. And perhaps my attachment to TNG makes me react badly whenever the films take liberties that TNG would not. IDK.

Anyway, here's my ranking: VI > II > IV > VIII > III > V > I > VII > IX > X

[The Huskar Social Union]

First Contact is my favourite Star Trek movie, loved it since i was a kid. Undiscovered Country is probably my second favourite, i really like that one and the villain is soo cheesy and great.

I dont mind Nemesis and Insurrection, Generations i honestly dont remember much of and i have not seen the other TOS movies in a very very very long time so cant really say about them.

I like the newer JJ Abrams movies too, if i had to pick a favourite of those..... probably the first one but i found all three enjoyable.

[Myrensis]

The Undiscovered Country is the best of all Trek movies, fight me.

Really was the perfect send off for the TOS crew, had a very Trek 'message' (which has aged somewhat poorly in light of current events..but what can you do), and the Excelsior is still my favorite starship in all of Sci-Fi.

[Ameriganastan]

Let's see, I'm...I wanna say 7 minutes into episode 1 of Firefly? And there's Alan Tudyk already playing someone weird. He really does have a niche, doesn't he?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Let's see, I'm...I wanna say 7 minutes into episode 1 of Firefly? And there's Alan Tudyk already playing someone weird. He really does have a niche, doesn't he?

Hells yeah Wash

[Ameriganastan]

Well, after 3 episodes, I can safely say I was right. This show is way overhyped. Just a bog standard space adventure show. And frankly Malcolm is a surly dick. The only likable people here are the space hooker and Alan Tudyk.

[New haven america]

It's a reoccurring pattern, isn't is?

He starts off with "I hate X even though I've never seen it cause I know it's shit."

Few episodes in "See, I was right, it's shit, wasting my time."

~1/2way point "Ok, I guess it's not that bad..."

~3/4's through or finishing up the show "*sigh* Alright, it was pretty good."

I can't be the only one that notices it, right?