The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[North Calaveras]

The Empire, the Imperium and the UNSC should all just do the decent thing and unite. I mean they're all highly expansionist, militarist, human supremacist with a varying yet shared xenophobia. Then they can wipe out those damn bleeding heart Star Trek liberals.

The United Empire

[Ultis Templarii]

... Those boarding pods would be destroyed in seconds by a Star Wars ship's defenses and star fighters.

And even then they'd have to catch them first before the battle, since hyperspace is astronomically faster then Warp travel, and has zero chance of demon attack.

Bah, nonsense.

An A wing got through ships defenses and took out a Super Star destroyer. A boarding would get though, too. And I'm sure a few would get destroyed, but not all of them.

Yeah, we all saw how point defense weapons worked with the death stars.

[Trollgaard]

Bah, nonsense.

An A wing got through ships defenses and took out a Super Star destroyer. A boarding would get though, too. And I'm sure a few would get destroyed, but not all of them.

Yeah, we all saw how point defense weapons worked with the death stars.

Haha, true dat, son.

[North Calaveras]

Bah, nonsense.

An A wing got through ships defenses and took out a Super Star destroyer. A boarding would get though, too. And I'm sure a few would get destroyed, but not all of them.

Yeah, we all saw how point defense weapons worked with the death stars.

That was with a named charecter...hes practically guaranteed victory.

[Maroza]

T'would be badass.

I would just translate it into warhammer 40k terms

Stormtroopers=guardsmen

and so on.

No, imperial soldiers = Guardsmen

Stormtrooper = Stormtrooper

[Trollgaard]

The Empire, the Imperium and the UNSC should all just do the decent thing and unite. I mean they're all highly expansionist, militarist, human supremacist with a varying yet shared xenophobia. Then they can wipe out those damn bleeding heart Star Trek liberals.

The United Empire

that would be...too fucking cool.

[Maroza]

The United Empire

that would be...too fucking cool.

One of us One of us One of us

[The Zeonic States]

Three words

Perfected Dark Trooper

only a handful of phase three's were produced due to the vessel making them being destoryed but with their armor and weaponry? Yeah i think they could rip a space Marine Apart easily or blow them away or burn them to cinders with a repeating autocanon.

Their armor being resistant to even lightersabers and capable of resistant to practically anything else? Toss in ass load of extremely lethal weaponry? Mass production means that your overpowered group of ground powers has an Imperial equal.

Best part? That nearly invincible armor? It was going to be the standard issue material used in storm trooper armor, Not speical forces units mind you, they always had better then the grunt armor but every single one would be issued phrik armor. Energy weapons? Don't even bother, also quite resistant to explosions and projectiles.

In short? There ARE counters to those OP forces you fellows can continue to brag on.

.-. In the Skies, on the Ground and as far as troops go.

You do realize those are practically the standard issue weapons and gear for Space Marines and Co. and even their opponents.

Hence why i said an equal not a superior it would turn every stormtrooper into an equal fighting force comparable to a DarkTrooper, Can you imagine that? A military force the size of the Imperial Army all equal in terms of fire power and durability to a space Marine?

Oh that would be a good fight.

And the ground war would be the only one that the space marines could win seeing as how starwars has them beat in space due to vastily superior starships.

[Trollgaard]

that would be...too fucking cool.

One of us One of us One of us

For the Emperor!

err...wait...what am I saying?! Death to the False Emperor! AVE DOMINUS NOX!

[Bone Fort]

Hence why i said an equal not a superior it would turn every stormtrooper into an equal fighting force comparable to a DarkTrooper, Can you imagine that? A military force the size of the Imperial Army all equal in terms of fire power and durability to a space Marine?

Oh that would be a good fight.

And the ground war would be the only one that the space marines could win seeing as how starwars has them beat in space due to vastily superior starships.

And if you bring Star Forge into the equation, or the Galaxy Gun, or the World Devastators, or the Eclipse, or the Sun Crusher, etc., no hope for 40k.

[The Zeonic States]

The Empire, the Imperium and the UNSC should all just do the decent thing and unite. I mean they're all highly expansionist, militarist, human supremacist with a varying yet shared xenophobia. Then they can wipe out those damn bleeding heart Star Trek liberals.

DEATH TO TREKKIES!

[Bone Fort]

I'm extremely happy that even though we may argue here a lot, we can still unite in our hatred of Star Trek.

[Trollgaard]

Hence why i said an equal not a superior it would turn every stormtrooper into an equal fighting force comparable to a DarkTrooper, Can you imagine that? A military force the size of the Imperial Army all equal in terms of fire power and durability to a space Marine?

Oh that would be a good fight.

And the ground war would be the only one that the space marines could win seeing as how starwars has them beat in space due to vastily superior starships.

And if you bring Star Forge into the equation, or the Galaxy Gun, or the World Devastators, or the Eclipse, or the Sun Crusher, etc., no hope for 40k.

Yes.

Nids and Orks.

And rallying all the Chaos Space Marines to fight along side their loyalist brethren. I think they'd team up for a bit to curbstomp some Star Wars dudes.

[Maroza]

Hence why i said an equal not a superior it would turn every stormtrooper into an equal fighting force comparable to a DarkTrooper, Can you imagine that? A military force the size of the Imperial Army all equal in terms of fire power and durability to a space Marine?

Oh that would be a good fight.

And the ground war would be the only one that the space marines could win seeing as how starwars has them beat in space due to vastily superior starships.

And if you bring Star Forge into the equation, or the Galaxy Gun, or the World Devastators, or the Eclipse, or the Sun Crusher, etc., no hope for 40k.

Dark Troopers + Star Forge = Epic Battle on a scale never seen

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Would Thought Bombs affect Warp species? If so, sorry 40k, your F!@#@#

[North Calaveras]

And if you bring Star Forge into the equation, or the Galaxy Gun, or the World Devastators, or the Eclipse, or the Sun Crusher, etc., no hope for 40k.

Yes.

Nids and Orks.

And rallying all the Chaos Space Marines to fight along side their loyalist brethren. I think they'd team up for a bit to curbstomp some Star Wars dudes.

Nids are to slow, Orks are good, but Nids against the Empire would fail, the empire could mass to many forces for a hive fleet to handle, they can predict where a fleet will go and just mass a retard-size fleet and annihilate it.

[Trollgaard]

I'm extremely happy that even though we may argue here a lot, we can still unite in our hatred of Star Trek.

Hey now, don't go putting words in people's mouths. I am watching DS9 as we type!

And why didn't we bring Babylon 5 into this discussion? The fucking Shadows man...

[Ultis Templarii]

We could always try a thread of this although I think it would just devolve into number wank and godmod.

[Transhuman Proteus]

How would that work though? I mean 40k has blasters and they're called the Emperor's flashlights for their uselessness. So how would the rules work out? And even still we've seen how useless the armor of stormtroopers is in the movies and even more of how they can't aim at all.

I guess Stormtrooper S:3 T:3 BS:2 WS:2 W:1 I:5 Sv:6+ ?

Imperial Guard lasguns are still very effective in setting. They are the AK-47s of the setting, mass produced, reliable, effective and perfectly suited to managing civilians and lightly armoured foes. They are called the Emperor's flashlights because this is also a setting with super human guys in armour that makes them walking tanks who fight with rapid fire rocket launchers, against alian automotons that are almost as resiliant as the T-1000 that can disintegrate you or aliens slice you to ribbons with mono-fibre weapons or miniature black holes.

A lasgun still puts a nice hole in concrete.

Nope. They'd be massacred by the overwhelming firepower of Star Wars tech.

Space Marines curbstomp everything when outnumbered 1000 to 1. Don't ask me how.

Setting wise? By starting off by being the peak humans from the recruitment pool before becoming walking talks with a similar amount of fire power given super human strength, endurance and speed thanks to science who usually have hundreds of years of combat experience against orks, chaos etc.

1000 to 1 is a bit of an exaggeration, and in setting their are ways around that (super advanced necrons have weapons that defeat their armour and are damn hard to kill, orks are close in strength and massively outnumber them, same but different with tyranids, Chaos is their dark reflection with daemons). There are there "300" stories of exceptional heroes and forces, but they are completely the norm.

Look, if we bring in out of game sources, the Space Marines would probably just wipe out the Imperial Navy. Seriously, they're incredibly overpowered in all of the stories.

No, they are perfect! It shows how hard the 40k universe is. The Space Marines are uber powerful gods of war, yet are still defeated by the countless enemies of the Emperor.

Heh. Though I guess that is right. Thousands of years of constant war against orks, Chaos, Elder and in more recent times Necron and Tyranids... it's a lot of foes to fight.

[The Zeonic States]

Hence why i said an equal not a superior it would turn every stormtrooper into an equal fighting force comparable to a DarkTrooper, Can you imagine that? A military force the size of the Imperial Army all equal in terms of fire power and durability to a space Marine?

Oh that would be a good fight.

And the ground war would be the only one that the space marines could win seeing as how starwars has them beat in space due to vastily superior starships.

And if you bring Star Forge into the equation, or the Galaxy Gun, or the World Devastators, or the Eclipse, or the Sun Crusher, etc., no hope for 40k.

I loved the concept of the world Devastators almost comparable to a StarForge in the fact they were mobile factories, or rather resource gathering devices.

With the resources of planets at their Heel the Empire was able to stave off the Rebellion for quite a while, The Reborn Emperor had the best friggin toys.

The Eclipse, Galaxy gun and World Devastators.

[Upiantstan]

star wars would win, hands down. especially if you brought in the Yuuzhan Vong.

[Trollgaard]

Yes.

Nids and Orks.

And rallying all the Chaos Space Marines to fight along side their loyalist brethren. I think they'd team up for a bit to curbstomp some Star Wars dudes.

Nids are to slow, Orks are good, but Nids against the Empire would fail, the empire could mass to many forces for a hive fleet to handle, they can predict where a fleet will go and just mass a retard-size fleet and annihilate it.

That's the thing...any one they might be able to handle. But Nids, Orks, the Imperium of Man all together? Not a chance.

[ALMF]

This is stemming from a debate that happened in a factbook thread and myself and the OP asked us to move the debate to another thread. Feel free yourself to pitch in your own ideas and commentary on the discussion. So what are we discussing exactly?

Really it has started over who could beat who in pitched combat and win. So far we haven't heard much from the Halo sector but have established the covenant are weaker than they appear. The UNSC hasn't been mentioned in detail. Right now the biggest debate is that Star Wars ships have biggers weapons, but that most are impractical in their usage.

Hot Points!:

The Quality and Power of Star Wars and Wh40K ships [So far only Imperial Navy]

1. No Swearing
2. Keep posts related and relevant
3. No attacking the person behind the nation
4. This is a debate not an argument, so that means only facts.
5. Have Fun
6. NO TROLLING

Halo has been determined to have lost all credibility of even standing against Star Wars or WH40k.

The Imperiom has a problem: a 12% annul population destruction curve. I did the calculations. This means a population hafelife of 5 years: the impirom is to unstable to be taken as a consistent. Leaving the Toa and starwars. The advantage of starwars is a escape the laws of relativity and free ballistics. On the other hand the toa wepondry is hi-valosit mas in quantity. The NJO demonstrate st vulnerability to said. My conclusion: too close to call.

[Bone Fort]

We could always try a thread of this although I think it would just devolve into number wank and godmod.

Probably, since 40k has things like Nids, SPHESS MARHINES, the Emperor, and Necrons while Star Wars has stuff like Star Forge, the Galaxy Gun, Darth Nihilius, and Dark Troopers.

[North Calaveras]

Nids are to slow, Orks are good, but Nids against the Empire would fail, the empire could mass to many forces for a hive fleet to handle, they can predict where a fleet will go and just mass a retard-size fleet and annihilate it.

That's the thing...any one they might be able to handle. But Nids, Orks, the Imperium of Man all together? Not a chance.

good things Nids will fight anyone as they are just hungry and don't take sides, Orks are Orks.

At least the factions in star wars can ally.