The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Gauthier]

And another thread devolves into a nerdfight.

And I still want to see who wins between Withered Old Man and Vegetable.

Leave if you aren't going to contribute.

Public thread, sorry. Besides, it's apples and oranges. Each exists in an environment where conditions were perfect for them to thrive. Put them all in a level playing field and neither one would achieve anywhere near their optimal levels.

[Tyler Kazakov III]

How not?
The combination of all the weapons and men from the star wars universe would destroy Halo in minutes.
WH40k would take some time, but SW would eventually destroy them as well.

40k ships would rape any SW ship below a SSD

Yea, but the men on ground are better. SW would win.

[Blazedtown]

Imperium of Man wins the battles, Empire wins the war for the simple fact that the SW ships have FTL that isn't reliant going though literal hell.

This is true, but we haven't even touched on the ability of ground troops to seize a planet. We have assessed yes Star Wars has Naval power but assuming that they have sense and don't blow up everything in the galaxy who would win on the ground?

Empire. Most worlds are only protected by poorly trained and equipped Planetary Defense Forces, who would be just as likely to join the Galactic Empire as fight them. GE's FTL is much faster, more accurate and more reliable. By the time a Imperial Guard or Space Marine response can be mustered to retake that one they'll have lost 10 more worlds. In pitched battle Imperial Guard would be a match for Storm Troopers and Imperial Army. If you bring the Adeptus Mechanius into this, it really tips the favor towards the Imperium because AT-ATs ain't got shit on a Warlord Battle Titan. Space Marines by very definition would curbstomp everyone.

Either stalemate or phyric victory for the Galactic Empire.

[Premislyd]

40k ships would rape any SW ship below a SSD

Yea, but the men on ground are better. SW would win.

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

[Ceannairceach]

Leave if you aren't going to contribute.

Public thread, sorry. Besides, it's apples and oranges. Each exists in an environment where conditions were perfect for them to thrive. Put them all in a level playing field and neither one would achieve anywhere near their optimal levels.

Which would thus result in a UNSC victory!

[Tyler Kazakov III]

Yea, but the men on ground are better. SW would win.

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

-_- Star Wars would win, hands down, this isn't even up for anything. WH40K would be a match, but not for long.

[Tyler Kazakov III]

Public thread, sorry. Besides, it's apples and oranges. Each exists in an environment where conditions were perfect for them to thrive. Put them all in a level playing field and neither one would achieve anywhere near their optimal levels.

Which would thus result in a UNSC victory!

That might be true now that you say it.

[Ceannairceach]

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

-_- Star Wars would win, hands down, this isn't even up for anything. WH40K would be a match, but not for long.

Only if the Imperial Marksmanship Academy was disbanded.

[Gauthier]

Yea, but the men on ground are better. SW would win.

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

Human Storm Troopers. Clonetroopers knew how to aim.

[Bone Fort]

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

No. Storm Troopers in the Expanded Universe are much better then in the movie, where they fell victim to "Going against the main characters in a Hollywood production" syndrome.

[Ceannairceach]

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

Human Storm Troopers. Clonetroopers knew how to aim.

Only against non-plot important characters.

[Kreanoltha]

After doing a quick skim through this thread I can say with confidence that you're doing it wrong. Each universe is composed of several factions. You rate the factions, not the 'verses. Like this.

Precursors (Halo) = Celestials (SW) = Pre-Flood War Forerunner > Prehistoric Humanity (Halo) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Age of Technology Imperium = Pre-Slaanesh Eldar > Necrons > Craftworld Eldar > Dark Eldar > Imperium of Mankind > Orks > Tyranids > Tau >>>> The Old Republic > non-ICS calcs Empire (SW) (non-ICS because the ICS's canon status is shaky and I would have to deal with double digit teratons broadsides and I just can't reconcile that with the movies) > The Galactic Republic >> Post-Forerunner tech UNSC > Covenant >>> pre-Forerunner tech UNSC.

I'm shaky on the WH40K factions, but this seems to work if I'm not completely missing something. I know the Forerunner section is right.

Anyway, end result is that the Precursors, Celestials, and Forerunner end up in a three way war of attrition before the Forerunner go all, "Final Solution," on everyone.

[Gauthier]

Human Storm Troopers. Clonetroopers knew how to aim.

Only against non-plot important characters.

If your entire dominion consists entirely of plot important characters either you've got a pretty teeny area of control or you're the creation of Stephenie Meyers.

[Bone Fort]

After doing a quick skim through this thread I can say with confidence that you're doing it wrong. Each universe is composed of several factions. You rate the factions, not the 'verses. Like this.

Precursors (Halo) > Celestials (SW) > Pre-Flood War Forerunner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Age of Technology Imperium = Pre-Slaanesh Eldar > Necrons > Craftworld Eldar > Dark Eldar > Imperium of Mankind > Orks > Tyranids > Tau >>>> The Old Republic > non-ICS calcs Empire (SW) (non-ICS because the ICS's canon status is shaky and I would have to deal with double digit teratons broadsides and I just can't reconcile that with the movies) > The Galactic Republic >> Post-Forerunner tech UNSC > Covenant >>> pre-Forerunner tech UNSC.

I'm shaky on the WH40K factions, but this seems to work if I'm not completely missing something. I know the Forerunner section is right.

I feel that the Orkz would trump everyone combined if their infighting stopped.

[Premislyd]

Storm Trooper Syndrome disagrees

No. Storm Troopers in the Expanded Universe are much better then in the movie, where they fell victim to "Going against the main characters in a Hollywood production" syndrome.

Clearly.

[Ceannairceach]

Only against non-plot important characters.

If your entire dominion consists entirely of plot important characters either you've got a pretty teeny area of control or you're the creation of Stephenie Meyers.

...Quick, contact Lucas, we must incorporate them!

[United States of Raptors]

Human Storm Troopers. Clonetroopers knew how to aim.

Only against non-plot important characters.

Ewoks were plot important? Damn never knew that.

[Premislyd]

After doing a quick skim through this thread I can say with confidence that you're doing it wrong. Each universe is composed of several factions. You rate the factions, not the 'verses. Like this.

Precursors (Halo) > Celestials (SW) > Pre-Flood War Forerunner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Age of Technology Imperium = Pre-Slaanesh Eldar > Necrons > Craftworld Eldar > Dark Eldar > Imperium of Mankind > Orks > Tyranids > Tau >>>> The Old Republic > non-ICS calcs Empire (SW) (non-ICS because the ICS's canon status is shaky and I would have to deal with double digit teratons broadsides and I just can't reconcile that with the movies) > The Galactic Republic >> Post-Forerunner tech UNSC > Covenant >>> pre-Forerunner tech UNSC.

I'm shaky on the WH40K factions, but this seems to work if I'm not completely missing something. I know the Forerunner section is right.

I feel that the Orkz would trump everyone combined if their infighting stopped.

Orks would. Eldar would automatically lose b/c spehss elfs

[Bone Fort]

Ewoks were plot important? Damn never knew that.

They were on the heroes side in a Hollywood production. 'Nuff said.

[Kreanoltha]

After doing a quick skim through this thread I can say with confidence that you're doing it wrong. Each universe is composed of several factions. You rate the factions, not the 'verses. Like this.

Precursors (Halo) > Celestials (SW) > Pre-Flood War Forerunner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Age of Technology Imperium = Pre-Slaanesh Eldar > Necrons > Craftworld Eldar > Dark Eldar > Imperium of Mankind > Orks > Tyranids > Tau >>>> The Old Republic > non-ICS calcs Empire (SW) (non-ICS because the ICS's canon status is shaky and I would have to deal with double digit teratons broadsides and I just can't reconcile that with the movies) > The Galactic Republic >> Post-Forerunner tech UNSC > Covenant >>> pre-Forerunner tech UNSC.

I'm shaky on the WH40K factions, but this seems to work if I'm not completely missing something. I know the Forerunner section is right.

I feel that the Orkz would trump everyone combined if their infighting stopped.

They might be able to pose a serious threat to the non-Forerunner or above factions, but the Forerunner are heads and shoulders above almost everyone on this list. They're quite similar to the Culture in some ways. They can shoot you from hundreds if not thousands of light years away using slipspace for one.

[Ceannairceach]

Only against non-plot important characters.

Ewoks were plot important? Damn never knew that.

Theoretically yes, but I was talking about Clones. They never fought the Ewoks.

[Gauthier]

I feel that the Orkz would trump everyone combined if their infighting stopped.

Orks would. Eldar would automatically lose b/c spehss elfs

They're just too addicted to fighting to organize as a cohesive unit.

[Premislyd]

Orks would. Eldar would automatically lose b/c spehss elfs

They're just too addicted to fighting to organize as a cohesive unit.

One day they'll finally organize into a cohesive unit

[Old Tyrannia]

After doing a quick skim through this thread I can say with confidence that you're doing it wrong. Each universe is composed of several factions. You rate the factions, not the 'verses. Like this.

Precursors (Halo) = Celestials (SW) = Pre-Flood War Forerunner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Age of Technology Imperium = Pre-Slaanesh Eldar > Necrons > Craftworld Eldar > Dark Eldar > Imperium of Mankind > Orks > Tyranids > Tau >>>> The Old Republic > non-ICS calcs Empire (SW) (non-ICS because the ICS's canon status is shaky and I would have to deal with double digit teratons broadsides and I just can't reconcile that with the movies) > The Galactic Republic >> Post-Forerunner tech UNSC > Covenant >>> pre-Forerunner tech UNSC.

I'm shaky on the WH40K factions, but this seems to work if I'm not completely missing something. I know the Forerunner section is right.

Anyway, end result is that the Precursors, Celestials, and Forerunner end up in a three way war of attrition before the Forerunner go all, "Final Solution," on everyone.

I'm pretty sure that the Tyranids have been the top dogs in the 40K universe ever since the Necrons got demoted from ancient unstoppable evil to blatant Tomb King rip-offs in space.

[Gauthier]

They're just too addicted to fighting to organize as a cohesive unit.

One day they'll finally organize into a cohesive unit

And then they fight over whether or not they should be a cohesive unit.