The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[The Zeonic States]

Aeten

I was having an conversation about this over the weekend and i came up with no conclusion that satisfied my freind.

He was hyping up this Primarch Night Haunter something or another from the Horus Hersey Novel Series.

And as we discussing this over alcholoic Beverages at the Chili's I stated Darth Vader could in all likelyhood kill every singular Primarch the Emperor bothered to spawn.

Anyway as we were hurling back abilities and power's at each other i came to the conclusion that Most Dark lord's of the Sith could in theory Kill Primarch's.

My buddy doesn't know much about the EU but he knew what i was talking about when i started hurling idea's at him like that.

Still we couldn't reach agreement what so ever.

I personally think the Greatest Jedi Killer Ever would stand on even ground with the best the Imperium had to offer.

[AETEN II]

Aeten

I was having an conversation about this over the weekend and i came up with no conclusion that satisfied my freind.

He was hyping up this Primarch Night Haunter something or another from the Horus Hersey Novel Series.

And as we discussing this over alcholoic Beverages at the Chili's I stated Darth Vader could in all likelyhood kill every singular Primarch the Emperor bothered to spawn.

Anyway as we were hurling back abilities and power's at each other i came to the conclusion that Most Dark lord's of the Sith could in theory Kill Primarch's.

My buddy doesn't know much about the EU but he knew what i was talking about when i started hurling idea's at him like that.

Still we couldn't reach agreement what so ever.

I personally think the Greatest Jedi Killer Ever would stand on even ground with the best the Imperium had to offer.

Magnus would utterly fuck Vader up. But for the others, especially the loyalists? Yeah, I don't think they'd fair so well against Vader simply for the LOLIMPLODE ability he has and can canocially kill tanks with it.

[New Tyran]

Aeten

I was having an conversation about this over the weekend and i came up with no conclusion that satisfied my freind.

He was hyping up this Primarch Night Haunter something or another from the Horus Hersey Novel Series.

And as we discussing this over alcholoic Beverages at the Chili's I stated Darth Vader could in all likelyhood kill every singular Primarch the Emperor bothered to spawn.

Anyway as we were hurling back abilities and power's at each other i came to the conclusion that Most Dark lord's of the Sith could in theory Kill Primarch's.

My buddy doesn't know much about the EU but he knew what i was talking about when i started hurling idea's at him like that.

Still we couldn't reach agreement what so ever.

I personally think the Greatest Jedi Killer Ever would stand on even ground with the best the Imperium had to offer.

Are you gonna give us your points made on how Vader... could kill a Primarch? Please child...

[The Zeonic States]

Aeten

I was having an conversation about this over the weekend and i came up with no conclusion that satisfied my freind.

He was hyping up this Primarch Night Haunter something or another from the Horus Hersey Novel Series.

And as we discussing this over alcholoic Beverages at the Chili's I stated Darth Vader could in all likelyhood kill every singular Primarch the Emperor bothered to spawn.

Anyway as we were hurling back abilities and power's at each other i came to the conclusion that Most Dark lord's of the Sith could in theory Kill Primarch's.

My buddy doesn't know much about the EU but he knew what i was talking about when i started hurling idea's at him like that.

Still we couldn't reach agreement what so ever.

I personally think the Greatest Jedi Killer Ever would stand on even ground with the best the Imperium had to offer.

Are you gonna give us your points made on how Vader... could kill a Primarch? Please child...

Aeten provided an ample ability of Vader capable of destorying Primarch's You know Force Crush and all.

Vader was extremely gifted with Telekinesis after all.

Also was that an attempt at flame baiting or something? You aren't aware of my age.

[The Zeonic States]

Aeten

I was having an conversation about this over the weekend and i came up with no conclusion that satisfied my freind.

He was hyping up this Primarch Night Haunter something or another from the Horus Hersey Novel Series.

And as we discussing this over alcholoic Beverages at the Chili's I stated Darth Vader could in all likelyhood kill every singular Primarch the Emperor bothered to spawn.

Anyway as we were hurling back abilities and power's at each other i came to the conclusion that Most Dark lord's of the Sith could in theory Kill Primarch's.

My buddy doesn't know much about the EU but he knew what i was talking about when i started hurling idea's at him like that.

Still we couldn't reach agreement what so ever.

I personally think the Greatest Jedi Killer Ever would stand on even ground with the best the Imperium had to offer.

Magnus would utterly fuck Vader up. But for the others, especially the loyalists? Yeah, I don't think they'd fair so well against Vader simply for the LOLIMPLODE ability he has and can canocially kill tanks with it.

Vader was an mixture of Organic material which provided access to the force and machinery that pushed him well beyond the capabilities of organics and turned him into a monsterousity on the battle field.

Strength that allowed him to lift a person up off the ground with a singular hand, Machinery that kept him alive despite horrorific trauma being inflicted upon his life sustaining suit. Force abilities espeically related to Telekinesis that just made him an unstoppable force.

Add in a mastery of Light Saber Combat, Rage that can keep him going even when greviously wounded and add in a understanding of Martial tactics and battle and you have some one that even the most gifted generally can't defeat.

Plus that whole scene where he destory's The Reborn Darth Maul by literally igniting a lightsaber through his own stomach to kill Maul demostrates that well ._. When he is in a fury he will pretty much do anything to kill the opponent and due to his machinery still come up standing.

I friggin loved that non canon comic and personally thought that was a much better usage of Maul then what friggin lucas finally came up with.

[New Tyran]

Are you gonna give us your points made on how Vader... could kill a Primarch? Please child...

Aeten provided an ample ability of Vader capable of destorying Primarch's You know Force Crush and all.

Vader was extremely gifted with Telekinesis after all.

Also was that an attempt at flame baiting or something? You aren't aware of my age.

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Aeten provided an ample ability of Vader capable of destorying Primarch's You know Force Crush and all.

Vader was extremely gifted with Telekinesis after all.

Also was that an attempt at flame baiting or something? You aren't aware of my age.

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

Vader would easily defeat any Space Marine Captain.

[The Zeonic States]

Aeten provided an ample ability of Vader capable of destorying Primarch's You know Force Crush and all.

Vader was extremely gifted with Telekinesis after all.

Also was that an attempt at flame baiting or something? You aren't aware of my age.

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

Given that the Force is generated from Life and people in the Imperium are alive there would be a presence in the force there.

And another point how would you know that Warp Powers would be present within the Starwars Universe?

And Primach's can survive being ripped asunder by a force crush which as Aeten stated tore armored units to pieces with ease? Some how i doubt that given that a vast majority are dead.

Primach's can survive being decapitated? Being bisected? Being shot through like a canon round Through reinforced structures? Having bone's literally just being crushed under the projection of mental force? And i left out the fairly simple and swift techinque.

Merely use force grip and sever the man's spinal cord.

Honestly you think that Darth Vader would fall to a Primach such as Night Haunter? You are dreaming.

Maybe a more powerful one but definately not him.

[New Tyran]

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

Given that the Force is generated from Life and people in the Imperium are alive there would be a presence in the force there.

And another point how would you know that Warp Powers would be present within the Starwars Universe?

And Primach's can survive being ripped asunder by a force crush which as Aeten stated tore armored units to pieces with ease? Some how i doubt that given that a vast majority are dead.

Primach's can survive being decapitated? Being bisected? Being shot through like a canon round Through reinforced structures? Having bone's literally just being crushed under the projection of mental force? And i left out the fairly simple and swift techinque.

Merely use force grip and sever the man's spinal cord.

Honestly you think that Darth Vader would fall to a Primach such as Night Haunter? You are dreaming.

Maybe a more powerful one but definately not him.

I was also assuming that they would be in a neutral universe where all their respective powers and abilities would be active. I still say that the Primarchs would win.

I don't defend Night Haunter he's pretty damn useless. I don't know if the Primarchs physic powers would work in the Star Wars universe. It wouldn't if there isn't a connection to the warp but they still have their physical attributes which is more than enough to kill Vader. And yes Primarchs are pretty damn robust if they could look into the depths of hell and survive they can wither whatever 'Annie' can throw at them.

[New Tyran]

To make it fair, you'd need to put them on a level playing field in which they can use their full powers. To this end, you mentioned single combat, which is one on one dueling. Vader should also have his abilities as shown by the expanded universe since they are canon and the Primarchs should have their full influence of their abilities. The same goes for both party's weaponry and armour.

Vader has a lightsaber and a number of cybernetics. He also has the force, which can amplify his physical and mental prowess, as well as being an incredible telekine.

Each of the Primarch's have varying abilities, but universally they have their masterwork power armour and weaponry. Here I should point out that power weapons are essentially lightsabers.

The Primarchs that stand out the most are Magnus, and others with a certain resistance to supernatural powers (Russ and Angron etc.), who'd be able to (potentially, with the likes of Russ and Angron) combat Vader.

[The Zeonic States]

Given that the Force is generated from Life and people in the Imperium are alive there would be a presence in the force there.

And another point how would you know that Warp Powers would be present within the Starwars Universe?

And Primach's can survive being ripped asunder by a force crush which as Aeten stated tore armored units to pieces with ease? Some how i doubt that given that a vast majority are dead.

Primach's can survive being decapitated? Being bisected? Being shot through like a canon round Through reinforced structures? Having bone's literally just being crushed under the projection of mental force? And i left out the fairly simple and swift techinque.

Merely use force grip and sever the man's spinal cord.

Honestly you think that Darth Vader would fall to a Primach such as Night Haunter? You are dreaming.

Maybe a more powerful one but definately not him.

I was also assuming that they would be in a neutral universe where all their respective powers and abilities would be active. I still say that the Primarchs would win.

I don't defend Night Haunter he's pretty damn useless. I don't know if the Primarchs physic powers would work in the Star Wars universe. It wouldn't if there isn't a connection to the warp but they still have their physical attributes which is more than enough to kill Vader. And yes Primarchs are pretty damn robust if they could look into the depths of hell and survive they can wither whatever 'Annie' can throw at them.

Physical Attributes being measured against Physical Attributes? Vader has been exploded, pushed into hard vaccum, Been shot, Stabbed, Poisoned, Lost Limbs, Been dunked into molten metals. Been Crushed, Been in Starship crashes, Has been Wounded so serverely that his suit has been all but destoryed but his concentrated rage has kept him going.

And you think a Primach could kill THAT easy? You think the Term Monster or Monstrosity is used loosely by me? Vader is one because due to his enhancements he has been through Battle Field after all battle field, overcome opponent after opponent and while Yes he has been defeated he has only been defeated when is facing an opponent whom is used to his brutal combat style and has come up with counter offensives based around his style or when the deck was just stacked against him.

Tally in his augmented strength, Insane Endurance and durability, Toss in the Force Powers if you like because those are basically just insant kills. His brutal and aggressive light saber style, including his usage of force abilities in lightsaber barrages, And you have a man if you wish to refer to Vader as one that has basically ripped through one side of the starwars galaxy and into the other.

Sorry Freind i just don't see it.

I didn't see it when a freind of my suggested it and i don't see it now.

[Lunas Legion]

I was also assuming that they would be in a neutral universe where all their respective powers and abilities would be active. I still say that the Primarchs would win.

I don't defend Night Haunter he's pretty damn useless. I don't know if the Primarchs physic powers would work in the Star Wars universe. It wouldn't if there isn't a connection to the warp but they still have their physical attributes which is more than enough to kill Vader. And yes Primarchs are pretty damn robust if they could look into the depths of hell and survive they can wither whatever 'Annie' can throw at them.

Physical Attributes being measured against Physical Attributes? Vader has been exploded, pushed into hard vaccum, Been shot, Stabbed, Poisoned, Lost Limbs, Been dunked into molten metals. Been Crushed, Been in Starship crashes, Has been Wounded so serverely that his suit has been all but destoryed but his concentrated rage has kept him going.

And you think a Primach could kill THAT easy? You think the Term Monster or Monstrosity is used loosely by me? Vader is one because due to his enhancements he has been through Battle Field after all battle field, overcome opponent after opponent and while Yes he has been defeated he has only been defeated when is facing an opponent whom is used to his brutal combat style and has come up with counter offensives based around his style or when the deck was just stacked against him.

Tally in his augmented strength, Insane Endurance and durability, Toss in the Force Powers if you like because those are basically just insant kills. His brutal and aggressive light saber style, including his usage of force abilities in lightsaber barrages, And you have a man if you wish to refer to Vader as one that has basically ripped through one side of the starwars galaxy and into the other.

Sorry Freind i just don't see it.

I didn't see it when a freind of my suggested it and i don't see it now.

One of the Primarchs was a Untouchable, don't know what effect that would have on the Force.

Vader vs Angron. Who would win?

[AETEN II]

Aeten provided an ample ability of Vader capable of destorying Primarch's You know Force Crush and all.

Vader was extremely gifted with Telekinesis after all.

Also was that an attempt at flame baiting or something? You aren't aware of my age.

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

[New Tyran]

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

No I considered it. Look at my most recent posts.

[The Zeonic States]

Physical Attributes being measured against Physical Attributes? Vader has been exploded, pushed into hard vaccum, Been shot, Stabbed, Poisoned, Lost Limbs, Been dunked into molten metals. Been Crushed, Been in Starship crashes, Has been Wounded so serverely that his suit has been all but destoryed but his concentrated rage has kept him going.

And you think a Primach could kill THAT easy? You think the Term Monster or Monstrosity is used loosely by me? Vader is one because due to his enhancements he has been through Battle Field after all battle field, overcome opponent after opponent and while Yes he has been defeated he has only been defeated when is facing an opponent whom is used to his brutal combat style and has come up with counter offensives based around his style or when the deck was just stacked against him.

Tally in his augmented strength, Insane Endurance and durability, Toss in the Force Powers if you like because those are basically just insant kills. His brutal and aggressive light saber style, including his usage of force abilities in lightsaber barrages, And you have a man if you wish to refer to Vader as one that has basically ripped through one side of the starwars galaxy and into the other.

Sorry Freind i just don't see it.

I didn't see it when a freind of my suggested it and i don't see it now.

One of the Primarchs was a Untouchable, don't know what effect that would have on the Force.

Vader vs Angron. Who would win?

Before or After he became a Daemon Prince?

.-. I merely ask because it's a diffrent skill set i have to compare.

Your Normal Pysker and a Chaos Possessed using one.

[AETEN II]

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

No I considered it. Look at my most recent posts.

There isn't considering. Just Vader implodes them the minute he sees them. The only non Daemon Prince Primarch that could avoid this would be Magnus during the Horus Heresy, as he could stop time. Alpharius and Omegron, well, they out Boba Fett Boba Fett.

[The Zeonic States]

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

No I considered it. Look at my most recent posts.

<_< Doesn't change the fact Vader would have a field day using the force against one incapable of using a force shield to defend themselves against it.

You think your Primarch would have a chance to even move a inch before he planted by a force push?

[Lunas Legion]

No it wasn't it's something I refer everyone to when I see something so beyond logic...
How can you know that force powers in the Star Wars universe will work in the 40k universe? Vader wouldn't stand a chance. Even using the force wouldn't save him, because ultimately he's just a human. Even a normal Space Marine Captain would probably be able to defeat him, but the Primarchs would crush him with ease because they're so far beyond human immortal even. Although I think that the Primarch's survival chances vary from one to the other. I think that Lorgar has the least chance of survival. Magnus the Red would simply blink Vader out of existence he's nothing.

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

Logar would go into a fit of religious zealotry and not care about what Vader is doing to him.
Magnus, when he can be moved, gets stuff done well.
Angron, would just do what all Bezerkers do.
Mortarion is probabally the hardest to kill, he is basically a walking blob of invulnerable pus.
Fulgrim would beat Vader in a sword/lightsaber fight but with the Force thrown in Vader would win by just.
Alpharius and Omegon would just confuse Vader and then backstab him while he's looking elsewhere.
Horus would kill him with ease.

Lion El'Johnson might stand a chance, along with Sanguinus.
Jhagtai Khan I know nothing about.
Rogal Dorn would be roflstomped, probabally along with Guillman and Corax.
Ferrus Manus would be a intresting fight same with Vulkan.
Leman Russ- see Angron

[AETEN II]

You're forgetting that Vader has the ability to seize somebody up into the air and implode them, instantly. Also, because the Primarchs use the warp and not the force, they would be entirely defenseless against Vader. He just lifts them up into the air and turns them into admantanium paper weights.

Of course, Daemon Prince primarchs or Horus Heresy Magnus would utterly stomp Vader. I'd imagine that Alpharius and Omegron would come up with some neat trick to kill Vader as well.

Logar would go into a fit of religious zealotry and not care about what Vader is doing to him.
Magnus, when he can be moved, gets stuff done well.
Angron, would just do what all Bezerkers do.
Mortarion is probabally the hardest to kill, he is basically a walking blob of invulnerable pus.
Fulgrim would beat Vader in a sword/lightsaber fight but with the Force thrown in Vader would win by just.
Alpharius and Omegon would just confuse Vader and then backstab him while he's looking elsewhere.
Horus would kill him with ease.

Lion El'Johnson might stand a chance, along with Sanguinus.
Jhagtai Khan I know nothing about.
Rogal Dorn would be roflstomped, probabally along with Guillman and Corax.
Ferrus Manus would be a intresting fight same with Vulkan.
Leman Russ- see Angron

You're missing the point. Unless they can stop time, or have Batman Gambits like A and O, Vader kills all the other Primarchs on sight, as they have no defense and are simply lifted up in the air and imploded. No different than lifting a tank up in the air and blowing it up into non-existence.

[Czechanada]

No I considered it. Look at my most recent posts.

<_< Doesn't change the fact Vader would have a field day using the force against one incapable of using a force shield to defend themselves against it.

You think your Primarch would have a chance to even move a inch before he planted by a force push?

I was under the assumption that Vader wouldn't be able to resist the fire of a bolter.

[AETEN II]

<_< Doesn't change the fact Vader would have a field day using the force against one incapable of using a force shield to defend themselves against it.

You think your Primarch would have a chance to even move a inch before he planted by a force push?

I was under the assumption that Vader wouldn't be able to resist the fire of a bolter.

Force barriers. They would hand wave a lascannon.

[New Tyran]

No I considered it. Look at my most recent posts.

<_< Doesn't change the fact Vader would have a field day using the force against one incapable of using a force shield to defend themselves against it.

You think your Primarch would have a chance to even move a inch before he planted by a force push?

Vader is nothing, he's nothing compared to any of the Primarchs who have more ability and strength than your brain could even begin to comprehend.

[Lunas Legion]

Logar would go into a fit of religious zealotry and not care about what Vader is doing to him.
Magnus, when he can be moved, gets stuff done well.
Angron, would just do what all Bezerkers do.
Mortarion is probabally the hardest to kill, he is basically a walking blob of invulnerable pus.
Fulgrim would beat Vader in a sword/lightsaber fight but with the Force thrown in Vader would win by just.
Alpharius and Omegon would just confuse Vader and then backstab him while he's looking elsewhere.
Horus would kill him with ease.

Lion El'Johnson might stand a chance, along with Sanguinus.
Jhagtai Khan I know nothing about.
Rogal Dorn would be roflstomped, probabally along with Guillman and Corax.
Ferrus Manus would be a intresting fight same with Vulkan.
Leman Russ- see Angron

You're missing the point. Unless they can stop time, or have Batman Gambits like A and O, Vader kills all the other Primarchs on sight, as they have no defense and are simply lifted up in the air and imploded. No different than lifting a tank up in the air and blowing it up into non-existence.

Try doing that to Magnus or Horus, they'd hit back with their own psychic powers. Corax would only win if he had the advantage of surprise, which he probabaly would since he can hide in crowds easily.

I think Ahriman might make a intresting opponent for Vader, though.

[Mondrova]

In terms of the actual series, I prefer WH, simply because of the insanity of it at times. I love that there is a race of orks who is so stupid they can unknowingly alter reality, and that the IoM is made up of a bunch of crazy religious xenophobes who worship what is, effectively, a dead man. As well as the bat shit crazy chaos, and the necrons are one of my favorite sci-if races, the way they ghost in and out of areas, slaughtering those who oppose them, and if injured, merely return to their tomb world.

Obviously Star Wars has its good points, I mean interesting story, space magicians ( ), sadistic sociopathic old men with a severe case of megalomania, and so on, but really, I feel some of the best things about it are its loltech and crazy force powers, and I am way to into Doctor Who for most of it to really be impressive at all.

As for who would win, I really don't see Star Wars losing to any of the warhammer factions, perhaps save the necrons, who could be a very serious force to be reckoned with if they are all awakened, or if we consider them in the war in heaven, for I do recall hearing that they were more powerful back then. Other than them though, Star Wars simply will win. Even if not for their weaponry, they can literally dance circles around the empire, using their infinitely more reliable FTL travel, as opposed to the extremely unreliable warp. Speed and logistics is completely with the empire, which gives them an enormous edge. Couple that with the fact that Star Wars tech is in fact more capable of massive destruction and devastation than warhammer, and victory is all but assured for the empire, except for, as I have said, the necrons, who may have a chance.

Oh, and of course the chaos, I almost forgot. I mean, if the empire the beats warhammer, they basically lose, because then the infinite hoards of the fucked up chaos are unleashed. Of course, I am assuming the chaos effects all life in the universe, not just in the Milky Way, but meh.

[New Tyran]

During the Battle of Prospero.

'Toron, staring down the barrels of the Dreadnought's weapons responded by frantically linking with the warp, flooding himself with power, somehow opening up to all manner of psychic skill, not just that of his own Cult discipline. Levitating over the battlefield, striking out with bio-electric powers, the Captain of the 7th disassembled the first Dreadnought, before overriding the minds of the next two and turning them upon each other. As the 7th poured after him, Toron made his way into the Space Wolf lines, laughing hysterically at his sudden, invincible power. Shells from Predator tanks bounced off his shielded-form, while he simply crushed them in return. However, with a sudden start, he realised he could no longer properly control his powers, nor shut off his link to the Warp. His tutelary refused to respond to his commands, instead gleefully flooding him with power beyond his ability to control. With sudden comprehension that their Tutelaries were not loyal pets or assistants, but something far more malicious, Toron overloaded with warp energy and exploded.

This explosion shot a column of warp-flame vertically up into the sky, visible from all quarters of Tizca, and rocked the city with the force of a warp-core explosion. All nearby to Phael Toron were incinerated, with several sympathetic deaths occurring amongst the Thousand Sons as the explosion emitted waves of power that, when combined with their own super-charged powers, tipped them over the edge. Many others underwent forced flesh-changes as their powers grew beyond them, resulting in their horrified fellows being forced to put them down, or goad them into attacking the Space Wolves on suicide runs. Striding majestically through the Space Wolves' lines, Canis Vertex was caught on the edge of the miniature sun that marked Toron's death. Psychically linked to the Titan, Captain Khalophis struggled to disconnect himself from it before he perished either in the explosion or feedback. It was here than he too, learned that the Tutelaries were not benign entities, when his own wrested control of the Titan from him. Unfortunately it could not prevent Vertex being struck by Toron's death energies, fusing the Titan in place and toppling it. Back in the Pyrae Pyramid, Khalophis realised his tutelary had no interest in saving or protecting him any longer, and the death of the Titan fed back to him through their link, immolating him on the spot.'

If this came from a simple Thousand Sons captain (such a shame the Wolves attacked them) what do you think Magnus could do? I'm a Space Wolf player and even I acknowledge the Thousands Sons might.