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Which series do you prefer [Not who wins.]

Star Wars
266
37%
WH40k
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30%
Halo
69
10%
Combination of each
42
6%
All of them
70
10%
Other
54
8%
 
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:29 pm

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Pretty much what every one has been saying.

It would be a long bloody conflict but Starwars would win due to techological advantage.


Did I mention it is 40,000 years...

I tried researching about Star Wars... It was confusing.. 138 ABY

After Battle of Yavin

So... 138 years? Wut

In 10,000 years they've made more progress than the Imperium has.
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Postby AETEN II » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:29 pm

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Pretty much what every one has been saying.

It would be a long bloody conflict but Starwars would win due to techological advantage.


Did I mention it is 40,000 years...

I tried researching about Star Wars... It was confusing.. 138 ABY

After Battle of Yavin

So... 138 years? Wut

Battle of Yavin. Where the Death Star I was destroyed. 138 is the current year. BBY goes back thousands upon thousands of years.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:30 pm

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Did I mention it is 40,000 years...

I tried researching about Star Wars... It was confusing.. 138 ABY

After Battle of Yavin

So... 138 years? Wut

Battle of Yavin. Where the Death Star I was destroyed. 138 is the current year. BBY goes back thousands upon thousands of years.

The Rakata were about 10,000 years ago, right?
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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:31 pm

Though I do 100% Agree the Star Wars Technology is far more complex and yet rapidly increasing.

40k Technology they just relearned the technology of Toasted Bread 1 Minute Ago.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:31 pm

Hedron wrote:Though I do 100% Agree the Star Wars Technology is far more complex and yet rapidly increasing.

40k Technology they just relearned the technology of Toasted Bread 1 Minute Ago.

That's a logical fallacy.
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Postby Achren » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:32 pm

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Three points: 1, void shields are like the gungans shields/dune shield, built to stop bullets, shells energy weapons and the like, not warbikes (Though Wazdakka will insist he can go just as fast as a shell, but that's just idle boasting), 2, by that logic, the empire is screwed because an X-wing fighter managed to blow up the Death Star and Ewoks defeated the Stormtroopers, 3, I'm just saying that's part of why I like 40K, not why it'd win, which is clearly what the OP posted as what this thread was.


Howbout you read the damn thread next time? We've already covered this. Also, if you bothered to watch the movie, you'd realize that not even a computer could make that shot. It had to be preordained force luck that made it.

Secondly, the Stormtroopers at Endor were around fifty to sixty years old. They were elite. During the Rise of the Empire when they hadn't aged at an advanced rate due to be entirely made up of clones.



I'm saying that the argument that the motorcycle through void shields = imperium is screwed argument is an equally invalid argument as the Ewoks beat stormtroopers = Star Wars is screwed.

Also, I suppose I have put my foot in my mouth by trying to give my humble opinion in regards to the OP without reading the 1600 pages of replies beforehand, and for that I apologize.
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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:34 pm

I would place my flat thumb on 100,000 Years. Flat. When Everything starts forming for Star Wars.

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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:35 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Hedron wrote:Though I do 100% Agree the Star Wars Technology is far more complex and yet rapidly increasing.

40k Technology they just relearned the technology of Toasted Bread 1 Minute Ago.

That's a logical fallacy.


They don't even know how a standard Thunder Hawk is made....They don't even make Emperor Class Battleships...They find them....

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:36 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:That's a logical fallacy.


They don't even know how a standard Thunder Hawk is made....They don't even make Emperor Class Battleships...They find them....

True, but claiming they just learned of toast is the strawman fallacy.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:38 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
AETEN II wrote:Battle of Yavin. Where the Death Star I was destroyed. 138 is the current year. BBY goes back thousands upon thousands of years.

The Rakata were about 10,000 years ago, right?


More like 80,000 to 120,000 before the galactic republic was founded.

No clue when the Infinite Empire was first founded.
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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:38 pm

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They don't even know how a standard Thunder Hawk is made....They don't even make Emperor Class Battleships...They find them....

True, but claiming they just learned of toast is the strawman fallacy.


I was exaggerating of how they lost all their knowledge of previous technology because of how complex and rare they are. Forge Worlds are prize possessions of the Imperium Of Man where the Factories continued making the same item as they were designed. Blueprints in 40k? What are blueprints?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:39 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:The Rakata were about 10,000 years ago, right?


More like 80,000 to 120,000 before the galactic republic was founded.

No clue when the Infinite Empire was first founded.

Wait, it was the Old Republic that was 10,000 BBY, wasn't it?
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:39 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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More like 80,000 to 120,000 before the galactic republic was founded.

No clue when the Infinite Empire was first founded.

Wait, it was the Old Republic that was 10,000 BBY, wasn't it?


Erm it was founded roughly thirty thousand years before the battle of Yavin.
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Postby The Shadowed Remains » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:41 pm

This is what happened when some stormtrooper said he is a soldier to a space marine , the space marine just burst out laughing and all the lasers would harmlessly bounce off his armor. They the stormtrooper would run away and the space marine would shot one shot at him ,ONE shot and that would hit him and blow up and the stormtrooper don't forget that he would have all his limbs would fly is a hundred different directions and then the space marine would fall on the floor laughing :rofl: So the war hammer 40k could cream the empire.
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Postby Strykla » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:43 pm

AETEN II wrote:
Strykla wrote:What's the matter? :(

Eldritch Chaos Gods and their god-tier Daemon Princes say hai, along with the ability of most skilled Jedi to implode enemy infantry at wish. That and there's the fact that the force creates abominations like Nihilus and the Sith Emperor, or those with a patient, skilled mind, Palpatine.

Well given that all I have are implications on the Ceph, I'm just going to say random shit and begone. Ffhfkend,

Also, the Nanosuit appeals to me as being able to balance the smartness of a human with the power of a machine; the Nanosuit 2.0 is literally going to supersede your bodily functions if it needs to, plus having pretty much insane strength. Like being able to break quite serious armor at will. And it can cloak. And outrun a racehorse without much sweat.

I mean, a Jedi might be able to toss a Nanosuit-clad soldier around a little bit, but I have severe doubts about their ability to rip apart coltan-titanium alloys, assuming they can react faster than the .08 millisecond response time, assuming they can dodge a bullet that they can't just swat away. Palps is a smart guy but, quoth the Heavy, I have yet to meet a man out can outsmart bullet.

As for Crysis vs 40k, I retract that statement. I would continue to argue but the extent of my forays into 40k is that movie released a few years back.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:43 pm

The Shadowed Remains wrote:This is what happened when some stormtrooper said he is a soldier to a space marine , the space marine just burst out laughing and all the lasers would harmlessly bounce off his armor. They the stormtrooper would run away and the space marine would shot one shot at him ,ONE shot and that would hit his blow up and the stormtrooper would have all his limbs would fly is a hundred different directions and then the space marine would fall on the floor laughing :rofl: So the war hammer 40k could cream the empire.

Can I stab him? I want to virtually stab him for ignoring everything we(you) have argued.
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Postby AETEN II » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:43 pm

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Howbout you read the damn thread next time? We've already covered this. Also, if you bothered to watch the movie, you'd realize that not even a computer could make that shot. It had to be preordained force luck that made it.

Secondly, the Stormtroopers at Endor were around fifty to sixty years old. They were elite. During the Rise of the Empire when they hadn't aged at an advanced rate due to be entirely made up of clones.



I'm saying that the argument that the motorcycle through void shields = imperium is screwed argument is an equally invalid argument as the Ewoks beat stormtroopers = Star Wars is screwed.

Also, I suppose I have put my foot in my mouth by trying to give my humble opinion in regards to the OP without reading the 1600 pages of replies beforehand, and for that I apologize.

The ewoks killed (more likely incapacitated mostly) Clones that were biologically fifty to sixty and probably had arthritis. It's surprising they weren't screaming about throwing out their back by while executing the complicated flips when they fell down.

And no, Jedi can damage if not destroy durasteel. They can revive the dead with the force. The force wouldn't have a problem imploding the Nanosuit. Darth Vader used force crush to kill tanks with durasteel hulls for fuck's sake.

And then you have force speed.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:44 pm

The Shadowed Remains wrote:This is what happened when some stormtrooper said he is a soldier to a space marine , the space marine just burst out laughing and all the lasers would harmlessly bounce off his armor. They the stormtrooper would run away and the space marine would shot one shot at him ,ONE shot and that would hit his blow up and the stormtrooper would have all his limbs would fly is a hundred different directions and then the space marine would fall on the floor laughing :rofl: So the war hammer 40k could cream the empire.


Much more likely the E-11 would punch through the Space Marine's Skull right into his Unhelmeted Brain.

._. Honestly this was just poorly thought out pandering.
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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:45 pm

Now I have done a quite deep research of both technology 40k and Star Wars.

In defeat I will say - Star Wars would win indefinitely. Why?

Well Star Wars mastered Hyper Drive and communications (Which was stated earlier) was faster. So technicality in all military genius. A mere Fleet could drop behind enemy lines and completely avoid a 40k Fleet far ahead of them. Cut Supply lines. Destroy Planets before any help could arrive.

Just imagine that in a wide scale.

Star Wars Technology is indeed far superior than 40k.

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Postby The Shadowed Remains » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:46 pm

to bad for you because the lasers would BOUNCE off his head and so
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Postby Hedron » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:47 pm

The Shadowed Remains wrote:to bad for you because the lasers would BOUNCE off his head


Sorry to pop your bubble. A Hot Lasgun will just burn right through Space Marine Armor. AND Especially Space Marine Helmet.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:47 pm

The Shadowed Remains wrote:to bad for you because the lasers would BOUNCE off his head

How so?

Also, it's not a laser it's a blaster.
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Postby Strykla » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:48 pm

The Shadowed Remains wrote:to bad for you because the lasers would BOUNCE off his head

Are you kidding me? A good blaster rifle in Star Wars has, at full power, energy equivalent to RL hand grenades.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:49 pm

Hedron wrote:
The Shadowed Remains wrote:to bad for you because the lasers would BOUNCE off his head


Sorry to pop your bubble. A Hot Lasgun will just burn right through Space Marine Armor. AND Especially Space Marine Helmet.

Lasgun? :eyebrow:
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No? that a bunch of stuff

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