The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[The Zeonic States]

Given that you don't need to be a Pysker to use the Warp wouldn't the same principle apply to defending yourself from it?

You already have beings of mental displine here.

What do you mean you don't need to be a psyker to use the warp? The only other, non-psychic way to use the Warp is Warp travel which rips a hole in the edge of the Warp, not using it, more charging through it.

Non Pyskers within WH have demostrated Defense of Warp Abilities i would assume this is due to Mental Displining or outright countering the abilities within the Warp.

Notably the C'tan Aza'gorod during his battle with Space Marines including Pyskers.

.-. I am merely pointing out that if a non pysker can do this defense within the warp why couldn't a non pysker Jedi?

[Hedron]

Before I start unleashing Facts. I would like to state I love all three universe - Halo, W40k, and especially Star Wars.

Originally all two wouldn't have existed! WITHOUT STAR WARS.

And as for halo wouldn't have existed without Star Wars and 40k. It's pretty common for any game to take a piece of ingenuity and shape it into their own which seems alright. Anyways -

Honestly speaking figuratively and in means of FIAPOWA (Firepower) Warhammer 40k would pretty much annihilate both universe due to the extensive armament the Space Marines hold.

The standard Space Marine Bolter round size is a .75 Caliber Pussy Destroyer which would mean it will penetrate and utterly and literally EXPLODE inside you. From what I know it is the MOST POWERFUL hand-held ballistic ANTI-PERSONNEL weapon. Anything with ANTI-PERSONNEL means any soldier out there in the field will be literally going to have a bad time.

Though you are probably saying -

"Oh Hedron - you and your god like fantasy? Silly you. How could a Space Marine, a mere human with a massive bulky armor, capable of firing a weapon like that?"

Well actually the Space Marine is genetically structured and heavily physically trained to carry and fire a weapon of that size (Surprisingly very accurate too.)

You can read more about the Implants aka geneseeds of a Space Marine such as a Third Lung and Second Heart - READ ALL ABOUT IT

Moving on to Training

Space Marines are basically BATTLE PRIEST - Which pretty much means that they follow a basic schedule when they are not in battle. It is a misconception that the Space Marines are always estrogen packed beasts that jab each other for the joy of it. No. Their schedule is pretty much

SLEEP - EAT - TRAIN TILL YOUR GENE SEED EXPLODES - PRAY TILL IT BECOMES CLICHE - REPEAT.

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Now your like - "Oh god Hedron stop with the Space Marines. I know they are over powered super soldiers srsly talk about halo and star wars already."

Well that's exactly where I am trying to get my point at. The Halo Universe I would presume the MIGHTY SPARTANS excluding master chief are genetically and physically trained to the extent of being awesome right?!

If comparing with the usual SPARTAN VS SPACEMARINE war (God sick of it) the Spartans only have 4 Implants compared the the Spacemarine who has 19.

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Though I could say that the Spartans are quite awesome looking and MORE HUMANE than the Space Marines because that is a big bonus! The Space Marines themselves sacrificed EVERYTHING to the extent of their humanity literally destroyed.

Now reading about the Armor of the Spartan it appears that it has some very luxurious techno Pepto Bismal gadgets. Yet there are many versions of it compared to the SPACE MARINE. I was quite surprised to find during my research that the Spartan Armor weighs almost a ton! Very interesting. I tried looking up the weight of the Space Marine armor, but I got some really specific weight and some estimations such as the Space Marine alone weighs 950 Pounds! Though the Armor itself weighs between 2000 and 2500 Pounds. Which is even heavier than the Spartan Armor.

Space marine why?
Heavier
Stronger
Very Experienced

Neither why?
Both are even at range combat though only if you can hit each other.
Both are tactical geniuses.
Both are too awesome to win at Range Combat.

On a Naval Comparison the W40k would also win due to the extensive armament that a single battleship. You see that USNC INFINITY! is the LARGEST WARSHIP in the Halo universe. That fucker is longer than a standard Viagra patient. READ ALL ABOUT IT



Though the LARGEST WARSHIP OF IMPERIUM OF MAN! WOULD BE (drum roll)



That's right the IMPERIAL RETRIBUTION BATTLESHIP extending 7.5 KM long (Estimate)

Or



So in general speaking that the 40k Naval Armament would obliterate Halo out of this world due to the amount of CREW - WEAPONS - and SIZE.

Now Space Marines vs Star Wars.

Now Star Wars in general terms are quite difficult to decide which or what era would win - though to be more on the fair side lets compare the IMPERIAL GUARD and the CLONE TROOPERS (I love the ARC Troopers. God - They are just so bad ass).

What I love about Star Wars and 40k is that they are just so common it just hard to decide who will win.

The Imperial Guard depends more on its SIZE rather than Firepower, because Firepower comes from it's size. Random Fact: The Imperial Guard does not have a distinct amount of soldiers that they have available because billions of Imperial Guard Soldiers die every day and billions more are recruited on the same day. So they have no actual number of troops in action. Infact they don't give a single crap if you were MISSING - KILLED - or RAPED by a Tyranid. Unless you were important like a Captain or a Lord General or something.

The Clone Troopers were all - infact you guessed it! - Clones. Which they also used surprisingly FIREPOWER - TRAINING - and! EQUIPMENT! Which is a very large advantage over the Imperial Guard.

But if you pit these two bad asserys into combat in Geonosis or something - In the end you will just pretty much see bodies piling up on each other because of endless numbers they have.



Couldn't find anything funny about Clone Troopers so I want to pop this one in



ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't really know much about Clone Trooper armor and I can't really find a very reliable information to find them so lets just say they are just Poly Plastic Fabricated 99 Cents Manufactured Armor. The toughest brand in the Republic.

As for the Imperial Guard they also have the Poly Plastic Metal Fabricated 98 Cents Manufactured Armor. Weakest Foam in the Imperium. Standard Armor for the Imperial guard would be the infamous Flak Armor - READ ALL ABOUT IT Anything of armor about the Republic would be nice to know.

Though back to pitting in the death of numbers. The Imperial Guard has almost an infinite supply of men which is literally kind of crazy, but quite very true.

"Oh Hedron - What about money and the required benefits to even provide a massive army with equipment and stuff? You silly boi."

Well, just like the Cloning Station in Kamino - 40k kinda have the same mechanics just like that except it isn't a Station....It's the god damn world. These Forge Worlds are literal Worlds just terraformed and manufactured for one sole purpose: To Create Weapons of MASTURBATION MASS DESTRUCTION FOR THE EQUIPMENT OF IMPERIUM OF MAN! READ ALL ABOUT IT

"Hedron - okay you got the Armory thing, but what about training?!"

Imperial guard? Training? Lolwut?

Pretty much some....

Boy who am I kidding most...

No, not even - 3/4....Close Enough, 3/4 of the Imperial Guard Military Force pretty much just recruits you - pass a massive basic training course which comprise of mostly. Get a Rifle - Load it - Run at the enemy - Attempt to kill. Day 1.

Though I know that the Clone Troopers are trained since like the age of 5 or something. That's cute.

But the other Prestigious Imperial Regiments such as the Cadian Shock Trooper Regiments - Also known as the Best of the Imperial short of the Superhuman Space Marines - They have been trained since they were like age something. I forgot how old, but they were taught in schools how to disassemble a LasPistol and reassemble in under 1 minute. Don't trust me on that - Look it up :3. As well fight the Ugly and Disgusting FORCES OF KERHAUS (Chaos).

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Now the Clone Troopers have these regiments such as the well known bad ass 501st LEGION (God just saying that makes my North Korean Missile excited (Not Korean btw))

Jesus just researching the 501st just makes me want to pop in Bear Force 2 or something. ANYWAYS

The 501st Legion would be an awesome sight to see where they fight the Cadian Shock Troopers playing a Chess tournament. The 501st were the Elite if I could recall , The best of the best of the Republic. Though I won't go in deep detail before this becomes Republic Pronz where I gouge out my eyeballs because of how awesome it is. READ ALL ABOUT ughhhhhh yess.....

Now cutting to the chase who would win in a fight?

(Drum Roll)

The Reason why the Imperial Guard would win would be because SOLELY ON THEIR NUMBERS. They will literally over run you - no matter how many you kill - how many you rape - they will keep running at you till you run out of ammo.

Though! In a 1 vs 1 fight The Clone Trooper would win because of Experience than the standard Imperial Guard.

Now who would win via Naval?

(Drum Roll)

Imperial guard -_-.

Remember the Imperial Retribution Battleship....ya....They have an entire Naval Solely for Naval. Large Ships and countless of number. This isn't even their final form...Wait till they have a massive Armada....

Pretty much all I can stuff in 40k and Star wars and little of Halo. If you are offended by what I typed here sorry - wasn't intending too. I tried my best to even out the things, but it was kind of hard for me because I know more of 40k. So why not you try and even things out for me! YA?! Awesome.

Random Fact 2: Imperial Guard Elite Soldiers are called "Storm Troopers" Read all About it

[Hedron]

What do you mean you don't need to be a psyker to use the warp? The only other, non-psychic way to use the Warp is Warp travel which rips a hole in the edge of the Warp, not using it, more charging through it.

Non Pyskers within WH have demostrated Defense of Warp Abilities i would assume this is due to Mental Displining or outright countering the abilities within the Warp.

Notably the C'tan Aza'gorod during his battle with Space Marines including Pyskers.

.-. I am merely pointing out that if a non pysker can do this defense within the warp why couldn't a non pysker Jedi?

Jedi Vs A Psyker?! Oooo sounds fun.

Actually a Psyker is a very rare and god-like ability that would be obtained and would be wildly accepted because of this stupid inventor called the WARP TRAVEL. Psykers are a highly required need such as ASTROPATHS who guide warships to their destination through the KERHAUS (Chaos) Warp.

Though a Jedi vs a Psyker....ooooooo Boner....

Fun Fact: A Space Marine Librarian is a Psyker - And also can stop time.

In a simple who would win?

Psyker

Why?

They can form a shield - block mental attacks - block physical attacks - block everything - block an erection.

Though that is too simple and single minded. It is because they are trained to wield their Warp Ability carefully because sometimes the Chaos Forces would manipulate a Psyker and use its abilities against his Battle Brothers. Just like Jedi's honing their skills of the Force.

Impressive that anything a Jedi can do - a Librarian can do better. Or a Psyker.

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EDIT: Psyker information READ ALL ABOUT IT

[Bone Fort]

Hedron, I see you've put a lot of work into all that, and I admit that I'm quite impressed by the effort... but hate to bust your bubble, but almost everything you have said has been said and refuted/contested enough that the conversation moves on multiple times throughout the thread.

[Hedron]

I think this thread has strayed waaay off of the OP… This was supposed to be which do you like and why, not who would win. IMHO, SW would win because the factions of the SW galaxy would be more likely to unite against a common foe than the 40K factions, plus more efficient transport, a government which reacts to new situations much better and better communications… You know, the little things which win wars far more often than the quality of each sides most elite commandos…

Orks....Man...Orks....

[AETEN II]

Bro, READ. THE MOTHERFUCKIN'. THEAD.

We've already gone over this shit. Star Wars would win in space- while their ships may be smaller, they're of far better quality and possess far greater weapons. For example, canonical books have the Acclamator, the small transport frigate of the Clone Wars used by the Republic, dishing out 200 gigaton turbolasers per shot. This simply increases from there, with the the Point Defense system of star wars Ships effectively firing nukes around.

I'm not going to explain the whole goddamn thing, read the fucking thread before posting. If you're lazy, use the searchbar.

Also, Star Wars has an easy answer to Space Marines. They're called Phase II Darktroopers, and they can be endlessly mass produced and can have millions in a week. It takes decades to make Astartes.

[Hedron]

Hedron, I see you've put a lot of work into all that, and I admit that I'm quite impressed by the effort... but hate to bust your bubble, but almost everything you have said has been said and refuted/contested enough that the conversation moves on multiple times throughout the thread.

Eh- hate my bubble to be burst. Though it is purely opinion. Which is the general of this debate. I thank for the reply, but hey I tried evening things out between 3 or 2 universe with sticking into mainly ground pounding power and naval power.

EVERYTHING IS PURELY OPINION FROM EVERYONE

[Hedron]

Bro, READ. THE MOTHERFUCKIN'. THEAD.

We've already gone over this shit. Star Wars would win in space- while their ships may be smaller, they're of far better quality and possess far greater weapons. For example, canonical books have the Acclamator, the small transport frigate of the Clone Wars used by the Republic, dishing out 200 gigaton turbolasers per shot. This simply increases from there, with the the Point Defense system of star wars Ships effectively firing nukes around.

I'm not going to explain the whole goddamn thing, read the fucking thread before posting. If you're lazy, use the searchbar.

Also, Star Wars has an easy answer to Space Marines. They're called Phase II Darktroopers, and they can be endlessly mass produced and can have millions in a week. It takes decades to make Astartes.

Imperial Guard....They make a Billion in a Day....

[AETEN II]

Hedron, I see you've put a lot of work into all that, and I admit that I'm quite impressed by the effort... but hate to bust your bubble, but almost everything you have said has been said and refuted/contested enough that the conversation moves on multiple times throughout the thread.

Eh- hate my bubble to be burst. Though it is purely opinion. Which is the general of this debate. I thank for the reply, but hey I tried evening things out between 3 or 2 universe with sticking into mainly ground pounding power and naval power.

EVERYTHING IS PURELY OPINION FROM EVERYONE

No, it isn't. We have actual statistics and feats for both factions. Just read the goddamn fucking thread. We've had several people jump into this without reading it, and it's getting bloody annoying.

[Arkania 5]

Wait, what's stopping deathmarks from shooting every person on the ground from hyperspace?

[Bone Fort]

Eh- hate my bubble to be burst. Though it is purely opinion. Which is the general of this debate. I thank for the reply, but hey I tried evening things out between 3 or 2 universe with sticking into mainly ground pounding power and naval power.

EVERYTHING IS PURELY OPINION FROM EVERYONE

That has also been made light of multiple times throughout the thread. And I distinctly recall you posting on this thread before, so don't be all "I haven't read the thread", I know you've been told all this stuff before.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

Bro, READ. THE MOTHERFUCKIN'. THEAD.

We've already gone over this shit. Star Wars would win in space- while their ships may be smaller, they're of far better quality and possess far greater weapons. For example, canonical books have the Acclamator, the small transport frigate of the Clone Wars used by the Republic, dishing out 200 gigaton turbolasers per shot. This simply increases from there, with the the Point Defense system of star wars Ships effectively firing nukes around.

I'm not going to explain the whole goddamn thing, read the fucking thread before posting. If you're lazy, use the searchbar.

Also, Star Wars has an easy answer to Space Marines. They're called Phase II Darktroopers, and they can be endlessly mass produced and can have millions in a week. It takes decades to make Astartes.

The thread is 161 pages long, you can't fairly expect someone to read/sift through 161 pages of material without looking like a real ass.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bro, READ. THE MOTHERFUCKIN'. THEAD.

We've already gone over this shit. Star Wars would win in space- while their ships may be smaller, they're of far better quality and possess far greater weapons. For example, canonical books have the Acclamator, the small transport frigate of the Clone Wars used by the Republic, dishing out 200 gigaton turbolasers per shot. This simply increases from there, with the the Point Defense system of star wars Ships effectively firing nukes around.

I'm not going to explain the whole goddamn thing, read the fucking thread before posting. If you're lazy, use the searchbar.

Also, Star Wars has an easy answer to Space Marines. They're called Phase II Darktroopers, and they can be endlessly mass produced and can have millions in a week. It takes decades to make Astartes.

Imperial Guard....They make a Billion in a Day....

Imperial Army... They make a trillion a day...
Imperial navy... They make a hundred a day...

[Hedron]

Eh- hate my bubble to be burst. Though it is purely opinion. Which is the general of this debate. I thank for the reply, but hey I tried evening things out between 3 or 2 universe with sticking into mainly ground pounding power and naval power.

EVERYTHING IS PURELY OPINION FROM EVERYONE

No, it isn't. We have actual statistics and feats for both factions. Just read the goddamn fucking thread. We've had several people jump into this without reading it, and it's getting bloody annoying.

Sorry Mr. President.

I am researching the Dark Poopers you were talking about.

And the most easily and possibly OP in the 40k Universe that will and always counter everything would be the Necrons.

Just sayin' They do not die - at all.

READ ALL ABOUT IT

[AETEN II]

Bro, READ. THE MOTHERFUCKIN'. THEAD.

We've already gone over this shit. Star Wars would win in space- while their ships may be smaller, they're of far better quality and possess far greater weapons. For example, canonical books have the Acclamator, the small transport frigate of the Clone Wars used by the Republic, dishing out 200 gigaton turbolasers per shot. This simply increases from there, with the the Point Defense system of star wars Ships effectively firing nukes around.

I'm not going to explain the whole goddamn thing, read the fucking thread before posting. If you're lazy, use the searchbar.

Also, Star Wars has an easy answer to Space Marines. They're called Phase II Darktroopers, and they can be endlessly mass produced and can have millions in a week. It takes decades to make Astartes.

The thread is 161 pages long, you can't fairly expect someone to read/sift through 161 pages of material without looking like a real ass.

You can skip every two. You can skip to page fifty. You can skip to page 90. You can still read some of it.

[The Zeonic States]

Non Pyskers within WH have demostrated Defense of Warp Abilities i would assume this is due to Mental Displining or outright countering the abilities within the Warp.

Notably the C'tan Aza'gorod during his battle with Space Marines including Pyskers.

.-. I am merely pointing out that if a non pysker can do this defense within the warp why couldn't a non pysker Jedi?

Jedi Vs A Psyker?! Oooo sounds fun.

Actually a Psyker is a very rare and god-like ability that would be obtained and would be wildly accepted because of this stupid inventor called the WARP TRAVEL. Psykers are a highly required need such as ASTROPATHS who guide warships to their destination through the KERHAUS (Chaos) Warp.

Though a Jedi vs a Psyker....ooooooo Boner....

Fun Fact: A Space Marine Librarian is a Psyker - And also can stop time.

In a simple who would win?

Psyker

Why?

They can form a shield - block mental attacks - block physical attacks - block everything - block an erection.

Though that is too simple and single minded. It is because they are trained to wield their Warp Ability carefully because sometimes the Chaos Forces would manipulate a Psyker and use its abilities against his Battle Brothers. Just like Jedi's honing their skills of the Force.

Impressive that anything a Jedi can do - a Librarian can do better. Or a Psyker.

READ ALL ABOUT IT

EDIT: Psyker information READ ALL ABOUT IT

You obviously take this seriously and it is for that sole reason i am responding at all to this.

The Force can be found within all life; assuming that we are granting Warp presence within WH's universe it would be found within the Pysker thus making force abilities quite possible.

And while the Jedi lack all the neat and destructive abilities of a Sith they still maintain dozens of intersting abilities that would combat Pyskers successfully.

Including Force Statis, Force Pull and Force Speed.

Add in reliance upon the Force and it turning them into Hyper Aware Super Warriors and you have beings with laser swords that it takes the force it self to react quickly enough in time to avoid bisection.

Also Stopping time? Off the Bat? I am unaware of such bending of reality although i will point out this in my expreince most abilities of such magtidude generally have a fairly long warm up time and require constant focus to maintain the ability.

So in short? I would cede Victory to the Jedi solely because if non Pyskers have defended them against such abilities why wouldn't a Jedi be able to? Another point would be Jedi's strength and speed gifted to him through the force empowerment bring in weapon's into this conflict and you are going to have decapitated Pysker after decapitated Pysker merely due to those dumb bastards not wearing a friggin helmet.

WHAT IS WITH WARHAMMER AND NOT WEARING A HELMET.

[Bone Fort]

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The thread is 161 pages long, you can't fairly expect someone to read/sift through 161 pages of material without looking like a real ass.

He's already been told all this before, I recall him from earlier in the debate saying pretty much the exact same thing.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No, it isn't. We have actual statistics and feats for both factions. Just read the goddamn fucking thread. We've had several people jump into this without reading it, and it's getting bloody annoying.

Sorry Mr. President.

I am researching the Dark Poopers you were talking about.

And the most easily and possibly OP in the 40k Universe that will and always counter everything would be the Necrons.

Just sayin' They do not die - at all.

READ ALL ABOUT IT

Correction: they do. See "razing their planets to the metaphorical ground."

[Hedron]

Eh- hate my bubble to be burst. Though it is purely opinion. Which is the general of this debate. I thank for the reply, but hey I tried evening things out between 3 or 2 universe with sticking into mainly ground pounding power and naval power.

EVERYTHING IS PURELY OPINION FROM EVERYONE

That has also been made light of multiple times throughout the thread. And I distinctly recall you posting on this thread before, so don't be all "I haven't read the thread", I know you've been told all this stuff before.

Have I? I never did. I never posted on this thread before. That was my first one :3. I'd like not to stray away from the Topic.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

The thread is 161 pages long, you can't fairly expect someone to read/sift through 161 pages of material without looking like a real ass.

You can skip every two. You can skip to page fifty. You can skip to page 90. You can still read some of it.

Which is still, at the low end, 70 pages?

That is an enormous amount of reading. We need the OP to have a list of established points on the matter.

[Hedron]

Sorry Mr. President.

I am researching the Dark Poopers you were talking about.

And the most easily and possibly OP in the 40k Universe that will and always counter everything would be the Necrons.

Just sayin' They do not die - at all.

READ ALL ABOUT IT

Correction: they do. See "razing their planets to the metaphorical ground."

Necrons

Necrodermis is a material of unknown origin and chemical or molecular structure that possesses the extraordinary ability to regenerate almost all damage instantaneously, "flowing" back together as if it were a liquid while closing bullet holes, mending gashes and tears, or even reattaching severed pieces with little delay. The material is also adaptive in some unknown fashion and can learn to repair itself given enough time from nearly any form of damage, even a blast powerful enough to reduce it to its constituent molecules or atoms. In addition to the bodies of the C'tan and the Necrons themselves, all Necron vehicles and starships are made from Necrodermis, including Monoliths and Necron Pylons. The Imperium's C'tan Phase Weapons are also crafted from Necrodermis. It should be noted that Necrodermis is not an alloy of other metals but a fundamentally new material created by the Necrontyr. Necrodermis is unbelievably resilient, and can absorb incredible amounts of damage and then reform all tears or punctures over a period of time.

[Arkania 5]

Fucking pylons man.

[Bone Fort]

[
Which is still, at the low end, 70 pages?

That is an enormous amount of reading. We need the OP to have a list of established points on the matter.

Thing is, that same point has cropped up literally every single damn page.

Also, I admit I might possibly have confused Hedron with someone else. Meh.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Correction: they do. See "razing their planets to the metaphorical ground."

Necrons

Necrodermis is a material of unknown origin and chemical or molecular structure that possesses the extraordinary ability to regenerate almost all damage instantaneously, "flowing" back together as if it were a liquid while closing bullet holes, mending gashes and tears, or even reattaching severed pieces with little delay. The material is also adaptive in some unknown fashion and can learn to repair itself given enough time from nearly any form of damage, even a blast powerful enough to reduce it to its constituent molecules or atoms. In addition to the bodies of the C'tan and the Necrons themselves, all Necron vehicles and starships are made from Necrodermis, including Monoliths and Necron Pylons. The Imperium's C'tan Phase Weapons are also crafted from Necrodermis. It should be noted that Necrodermis is not an alloy of other metals but a fundamentally new material created by the Necrontyr. Necrodermis is unbelievably resilient, and can absorb incredible amounts of damage and then reform all tears or punctures over a period of time.

Simple enough: if flashlights en mass can do it, so can blasters en mass.

[The Zeonic States]

Correction: they do. See "razing their planets to the metaphorical ground."

Necrons

Necrodermis is a material of unknown origin and chemical or molecular structure that possesses the extraordinary ability to regenerate almost all damage instantaneously, "flowing" back together as if it were a liquid while closing bullet holes, mending gashes and tears, or even reattaching severed pieces with little delay. The material is also adaptive in some unknown fashion and can learn to repair itself given enough time from nearly any form of damage, even a blast powerful enough to reduce it to its constituent molecules or atoms. In addition to the bodies of the C'tan and the Necrons themselves, all Necron vehicles and starships are made from Necrodermis, including Monoliths and Necron Pylons. The Imperium's C'tan Phase Weapons are also crafted from Necrodermis. It should be noted that Necrodermis is not an alloy of other metals but a fundamentally new material created by the Necrontyr. Necrodermis is unbelievably resilient, and can absorb incredible amounts of damage and then reform all tears or punctures over a period of time.

It's never been hit by a weapon being powered by a reactor producing more energy then your average sun though either.