The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[AETEN II]

No, it's not a major negation of ammo. You go from five hundred two three hundred, and you're not blowing up concrete, its ferroconcrete, a far stronger mixture of iron and concrete with space tech.

Also, there weren't trillions of droids in the Clone Wars. There were quadrillions of droids fielded by the CIS. As for Jedi abilities, force barriers block everything.

I wasn't discussing force projected shields i was talking about a Jedi or Sith's Personal Shield they cloak themselves in during combat.

Still though, I wouldn't consider themselves that good against psykers. While they could block their abilities, Sith are VERY much Quadratic Warriors and will fuck you up in ways you didn't believe possible, and they typically can roflstomp Jedi if they bother to use the force.

[The Zeonic States]

I wasn't discussing force projected shields i was talking about a Jedi or Sith's Personal Shield they cloak themselves in during combat.

Still though, I wouldn't consider themselves that good against psykers. While they could block their abilities, Sith are VERY much Quadratic Warriors and will fuck you up in ways you didn't believe possible, and they typically can roflstomp Jedi if they bother to use the force.

Uh Yeah ._. Spear of Midnight Black, Force Lightning, Force Choke, Force Storms, Force Drain, I could go on.

Honestly the Sith as far as Focus within the Force when it comes to combat unlike the Jedi generally ONLY focus upon Lethal aspects of their techniques.

But i will also point out this; While the Force Cloak it self might not protect overly against Pysker based abilities the sheer mental displine and awareness such ability requires within the force would put them in the position to counter or avoid Pysker based attacks. Force Users once they actually commune with the Force within Battle Become Hyper aware super humans.

That's generally why non force users have to come up with special tactics to combat them.

[AETEN II]

Still though, I wouldn't consider themselves that good against psykers. While they could block their abilities, Sith are VERY much Quadratic Warriors and will fuck you up in ways you didn't believe possible, and they typically can roflstomp Jedi if they bother to use the force.

Uh Yeah ._. Spear of Midnight Black, Force Lightning, Force Choke, Force Storms, Force Drain, I could go on.

Honestly the Sith as far as Focus within the Force when it comes to combat unlike the Jedi generally ONLY focus upon Lethal aspects of their techniques.

But i will also point out this; While the Force Cloak it self might not protect overly against Pysker based abilities the sheer mental displine and awareness such ability requires within the force would put them in the position to counter or avoid Pysker based attacks. Force Users once they actually commune with the Force within Battle Become Hyper aware super humans.

That's generally why non force users have to come up with special tactics to combat them.

The only way you should ever directly engage a Jedi is from ten kilometers away with a silent railgun sniper rifle. Sith? Bomb them from orbit. Mainly because those fucks are nasty as goddamn hell and can surpass Alpha-Level Psykers.

(When I do go to college, I hope there's a Star Wars rpg group simply so I can make a Sith that never fights anyone. He simply uses Force Terror to mindfuck them into gibbering barely-sentient wreaks that he uses as Thralls)

[Konariona]

The only way you should ever directly engage a Jedi is from ten kilometers away with a silent railgun sniper rifle. Sith? Bomb them from orbit. Mainly because those fucks are nasty as goddamn hell and can surpass Alpha-Level Psykers.

(When I do go to college, I hope there's a Star Wars rpg group simply so I can make a Sith that never fights anyone. He simply uses Force Terror to mindfuck them into gibbering barely-sentient wreaks that he uses as Thralls)

Nah, what you need to do is pull a Thought Bomb from some corrupted Sith and just murder every last Jedi/Sith/Force-Sensitive on Coruscant or somewhere with a high concentration of such beings.

[AETEN II]

The only way you should ever directly engage a Jedi is from ten kilometers away with a silent railgun sniper rifle. Sith? Bomb them from orbit. Mainly because those fucks are nasty as goddamn hell and can surpass Alpha-Level Psykers.

(When I do go to college, I hope there's a Star Wars rpg group simply so I can make a Sith that never fights anyone. He simply uses Force Terror to mindfuck them into gibbering barely-sentient wreaks that he uses as Thralls)

Nah, what you need to do is pull a Thought Bomb from some corrupted Sith and just murder every last Jedi/Sith/Force-Sensitive on Coruscant or somewhere with a high concentration of such beings.

Point being that he wouldn't draw attention to himself. He just humbly searches for artifacts, and enthralls anyone who tries to stop him.

[Achren]

Look, this isn't about who will win. In terms of which I like, there is no single franchise in the world which is as testosterone-filled and batshit-insane/awesome as WH40K. I mean, check this out:

The Speed Freeks would have been utterly destroyed had Wazdakka not intervened directly, riding up onto a mesa that overlooked the industrial battle site. Revving his engines, he launched his Warbike from the cliff edge and sailed through the Titan's protective Void Shields. Though the gravitic force field ignited both Wazdakka and his Warbike, he blazed like a fiery comet and smashed through the canopy of the Titan's cockpit. Still aflame, Wazdakka slew the great God-Machine's crew in only seconds. From that point forward, the battle was essentially over, as Ork and Man alike simply looked on in mute astonishment. Scalev VI became the newest addition to Wazdakka's growing Ork interstellar empire, its modified manufactorums and human slave labour now churning out vehicles of all shapes and sizes to join Wazdakka's WAAAGH! Since that day, Wazdakka's prize possession has been the still-flaming skulls of the Titan's Princeps and his command crew, which remind the Speed Freek Warlord of his greatest feat of arms.

And this is a link to the guy's picture:

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/a/a5/Wazdakka_Gutsmek.jpg

Wow. The void shields were penetrated by a MOTORCYCLE? The Imperium is screwed.

Three points: 1, void shields are like the gungans shields/dune shield, built to stop bullets, shells energy weapons and the like, not warbikes (Though Wazdakka will insist he can go just as fast as a shell, but that's just idle boasting), 2, by that logic, the empire is screwed because an X-wing fighter managed to blow up the Death Star and Ewoks defeated the Stormtroopers, 3, I'm just saying that's part of why I like 40K, not why it'd win, which is clearly what the OP posted as what this thread was.

[Achren]

I think this thread has strayed waaay off of the OP… This was supposed to be which do you like and why, not who would win. IMHO, SW would win because the factions of the SW galaxy would be more likely to unite against a common foe than the 40K factions, plus more efficient transport, a government which reacts to new situations much better and better communications… You know, the little things which win wars far more often than the quality of each sides most elite commandos…

[AETEN II]

Wow. The void shields were penetrated by a MOTORCYCLE? The Imperium is screwed.

Three points: 1, void shields are like the gungans shields/dune shield, built to stop bullets, shells energy weapons and the like, not warbikes (Though Wazdakka will insist he can go just as fast as a shell, but that's just idle boasting), 2, by that logic, the empire is screwed because an X-wing fighter managed to blow up the Death Star and Ewoks defeated the Stormtroopers, 3, I'm just saying that's part of why I like 40K, not why it'd win, which is clearly what the OP posted as what this thread was.

Howbout you read the damn thread next time? We've already covered this. Also, if you bothered to watch the movie, you'd realize that not even a computer could make that shot. It had to be preordained force luck that made it.

Secondly, the Stormtroopers at Endor were around fifty to sixty years old. They were elite. During the Rise of the Empire when they hadn't aged at an advanced rate due to be entirely made up of clones.

[Essos]

Still though, I wouldn't consider themselves that good against psykers. While they could block their abilities, Sith are VERY much Quadratic Warriors and will fuck you up in ways you didn't believe possible, and they typically can roflstomp Jedi if they bother to use the force.

Uh Yeah ._. Spear of Midnight Black, Force Lightning, Force Choke, Force Storms, Force Drain, I could go on.

Honestly the Sith as far as Focus within the Force when it comes to combat unlike the Jedi generally ONLY focus upon Lethal aspects of their techniques.

But i will also point out this; While the Force Cloak it self might not protect overly against Pysker based abilities the sheer mental displine and awareness such ability requires within the force would put them in the position to counter or avoid Pysker based attacks. Force Users once they actually commune with the Force within Battle Become Hyper aware super humans.

That's generally why non force users have to come up with special tactics to combat them.

Avoiding Haemorrhage, Spontaneous Combustion, or any number of other Psyker powers would be essentially impossible. Unless you are very lucky, you will simply die. Spontaneous Combustion doesn't allow any saves at all, period. Simply having a disciplined mind will not stop a psyker from turning you into an expanding cloud of gore or ash.

[AETEN II]

Uh Yeah ._. Spear of Midnight Black, Force Lightning, Force Choke, Force Storms, Force Drain, I could go on.

Honestly the Sith as far as Focus within the Force when it comes to combat unlike the Jedi generally ONLY focus upon Lethal aspects of their techniques.

But i will also point out this; While the Force Cloak it self might not protect overly against Pysker based abilities the sheer mental displine and awareness such ability requires within the force would put them in the position to counter or avoid Pysker based attacks. Force Users once they actually commune with the Force within Battle Become Hyper aware super humans.

That's generally why non force users have to come up with special tactics to combat them.

Avoiding Haemorrhage, Spontaneous Combustion, or any number of other Psyker powers would be essentially impossible. Unless you are very lucky, you will simply die. Spontaneous Combustion doesn't allow any saves at all, period. Simply having a disciplined mind will not stop a psyker from turning you into an expanding cloud of gore or ash.

No, the point being however that force barriers stop everything. projectiles, force attacks, etc, they're deus ex cockblockers. While it's debatable if they could keep it up, a team of them would wipe the floor with psykers. In the case of a lone Jedi, they might be able to put up a force barrier and have the troopers inside of it pick off the psykers.

[The Zeonic States]

Uh Yeah ._. Spear of Midnight Black, Force Lightning, Force Choke, Force Storms, Force Drain, I could go on.

Honestly the Sith as far as Focus within the Force when it comes to combat unlike the Jedi generally ONLY focus upon Lethal aspects of their techniques.

But i will also point out this; While the Force Cloak it self might not protect overly against Pysker based abilities the sheer mental displine and awareness such ability requires within the force would put them in the position to counter or avoid Pysker based attacks. Force Users once they actually commune with the Force within Battle Become Hyper aware super humans.

That's generally why non force users have to come up with special tactics to combat them.

The only way you should ever directly engage a Jedi is from ten kilometers away with a silent railgun sniper rifle. Sith? Bomb them from orbit. Mainly because those fucks are nasty as goddamn hell and can surpass Alpha-Level Psykers.

(When I do go to college, I hope there's a Star Wars rpg group simply so I can make a Sith that never fights anyone. He simply uses Force Terror to mindfuck them into gibbering barely-sentient wreaks that he uses as Thralls)

A Sith that doesn't revel in Blade Work and Strength? Interesting; You don't often see the perspective of a solely Force Based Sith Combatant.

[Essos]

Avoiding Haemorrhage, Spontaneous Combustion, or any number of other Psyker powers would be essentially impossible. Unless you are very lucky, you will simply die. Spontaneous Combustion doesn't allow any saves at all, period. Simply having a disciplined mind will not stop a psyker from turning you into an expanding cloud of gore or ash.

No, the point being however that force barriers stop everything. projectiles, force attacks, etc, they're deus ex cockblockers. While it's debatable if they could keep it up, a team of them would wipe the floor with psykers. In the case of a lone Jedi, they might be able to put up a force barrier and have the troopers inside of it pick off the psykers.

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

[AETEN II]

No, the point being however that force barriers stop everything. projectiles, force attacks, etc, they're deus ex cockblockers. While it's debatable if they could keep it up, a team of them would wipe the floor with psykers. In the case of a lone Jedi, they might be able to put up a force barrier and have the troopers inside of it pick off the psykers.

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

No, you don't understand how they work. They block everything. You can't go through the barrier, it just blocks everything until the Jedi's mind caves from keeping it up for too long. But you couldn't penetrate it in any way, and combustion would count as penetrating due to using your 'powers' within the barrier, which would thus have to overpower the barrier in the first place.

[Lunas Legion]

No, the point being however that force barriers stop everything. projectiles, force attacks, etc, they're deus ex cockblockers. While it's debatable if they could keep it up, a team of them would wipe the floor with psykers. In the case of a lone Jedi, they might be able to put up a force barrier and have the troopers inside of it pick off the psykers.

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

The Blood Ravens field entire squads of terminator armoured librarians. Basically their entire first company is made up of psykers.

And that's not even counting the Grey Knights (yes, they've been Wardified, but use Codex-Daemonhunters if you've got a copy instead.)

Roughly how many Jedi/Sith are there?

[AETEN II]

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

The Blood Ravens field entire squads of terminator armoured librarians. Basically their entire first company is made up of psykers.

And that's not even counting the Grey Knights (yes, they've been Wardified, but use Codex-Daemonhunters if you've got a copy instead.)

Roughly how many Jedi/Sith are there?

There's no fixed amount. For example during the Purge, Luke was supposed to be the last Jedi. Now it turns out there's always some goddamn cult somewhere with several hundred if not thousand force sensitives. The number bounces around constantly. There might be a final number for the Jedi Order, but it's probably as solid as the statement that there's 'only a million space marines'.

As far as Space Marines though, it'd be better to just save time and shoot them once with a turbo laser. Goodnight.

[The Zeonic States]

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

The Blood Ravens field entire squads of terminator armoured librarians. Basically their entire first company is made up of psykers.

And that's not even counting the Grey Knights (yes, they've been Wardified, but use Codex-Daemonhunters if you've got a copy instead.)

Roughly how many Jedi/Sith are there?

Vastily Depends upon the Era.

It can be only a handful (The Sith order under the rule of two) Dozens of Millions (Reborn Sith Empire), Several thousand under Exar Kun, Millions under the Brotherhood of Darkness. Tens of thousands under Revan and Malak. Several thousand under the rule of one.

I could do this back to the BIRTH of the Sith Order in whatever form but the Jedi have always outnummbered them generally.

The Classic Era aka the Final Days of the Old Republic entering into the clone wars saw a jedi order nearly a hundred thousand strong.

However during the Darkness War with the Brotherhood of Darkness their Order was ten times that in numbers and of course they were operating or at least somewhere as a literal army. (The Army of light)

In short? You can have multiple diffrent answers.

[Essos]

Presuming that a force barrier could stop a psyker from projecting his powers inside it entirely. That is not a reasonable presumption to make. Unless the force barrier obscures line of sight, powers that don't operate in a line are going to entirely ignore the barrier. Spontaneous Combustion, for example, is not generated at the hands of the psyker before it travels the intervening distance to strike the Jedi in question. It takes hold INSIDE the Jedi's body, burning him from within. The only defense is to Deny the Witch, and that is at best a one in six chance to avoid being immolated. And keep in mind, this is just with me being lazy and combing through the Core Book, not checking any of the various codices, or listing things that aren't Witchfires or Focused Witchfires. Maledictions and Blessings can do just as much to alter the fight as direct warp assaults. Sometimes they could do much more. The level of direct combat capability a psyker has is incredibly varied. Some of them make excellent support specialists, some of them will simply burn you down where you stand. It depends largely on the Psyker, his discipline, and what powers he has access to. Master Librarians, like Ezekiel, Tigurius, or Mephiston can swat aside mook squads in job lots, and god forbid you get into close combat with any of them. They'll chew you to shreds.

No, you don't understand how they work. They block everything. You can't go through the barrier, it just blocks everything until the Jedi's mind caves from keeping it up for too long. But you couldn't penetrate it in any way, and combustion would count as penetrating due to using your 'powers' within the barrier, which would thus have to overpower the barrier in the first place.

The origin point is INSIDE the barrier. The power does not cross the intervening distance. Unless the barrier blocks line of sight, or is actually a FIELD rather than a barrier, its ability to do anything against that sort of power is nil. Look at it this way. A yslamari generates a force denial field. A jedi cannot manifest his abilities inside the area, or into the area, but he can manifest his abilities PAST the area. This is the exact same situation as your force barrier stopping psychic attacks. The barrier does not create a field protecting everything inside it, it simply stops things from passing through it. As the power does not pass through, it is immune to the barrier.

[AETEN II]

No, you don't understand how they work. They block everything. You can't go through the barrier, it just blocks everything until the Jedi's mind caves from keeping it up for too long. But you couldn't penetrate it in any way, and combustion would count as penetrating due to using your 'powers' within the barrier, which would thus have to overpower the barrier in the first place.

The origin point is INSIDE the barrier. The power does not cross the intervening distance. Unless the barrier blocks line of sight, or is actually a FIELD rather than a barrier, its ability to do anything against that sort of power is nil. Look at it this way. A yslamari generates a force denial field. A jedi cannot manifest his abilities inside the area, or into the area, but he can manifest his abilities PAST the area. This is the exact same situation as your force barrier stopping psychic attacks. The barrier does not create a field protecting everything inside it, it simply stops things from passing through it. As the power does not pass through, it is immune to the barrier.

The power has to cause something by going through the barrier. You don't understand. It's simply 'lol cockblock', until enough shit is flung at it that the Jedi's will collapses and the barrier breaks. It's a bubble. You can't flank around it, it blocks force powers and thus would transfer over to warp abilities.

And then you have Force Stun, which could be used to put all the enemy psykers into a coma at will.

[Essos]

The origin point is INSIDE the barrier. The power does not cross the intervening distance. Unless the barrier blocks line of sight, or is actually a FIELD rather than a barrier, its ability to do anything against that sort of power is nil. Look at it this way. A yslamari generates a force denial field. A jedi cannot manifest his abilities inside the area, or into the area, but he can manifest his abilities PAST the area. This is the exact same situation as your force barrier stopping psychic attacks. The barrier does not create a field protecting everything inside it, it simply stops things from passing through it. As the power does not pass through, it is immune to the barrier.

The power has to cause something by going through the barrier. You don't understand. It's simply 'lol cockblock', until enough shit is flung at it that the Jedi's will collapses and the barrier breaks. It's a bubble. You can't flank around it, it blocks force powers and thus would transfer over to warp abilities.

And then you have Force Stun, which could be used to put all the enemy psykers into a coma at will.

The power does not pass through the barrier though. There's nothing to pass through. It's not like Smite, where you shoot warp lightning from your fingertips. It originates INSIDE your barrier. The barrier can't block the ability, because the power does not exist anywhere but inside the barrier at the time it is manifested. This is how the Warp works.

I guess you could try and force stun a psyker. What I'm reading about it says that it's resistable by those with strong willpower. Psykers and Space Marines in general pretty much define willpower. Also, they could probably just wake themselves right back up, given that they have their own functioning sus an membranes.

[The Zeonic States]

The power has to cause something by going through the barrier. You don't understand. It's simply 'lol cockblock', until enough shit is flung at it that the Jedi's will collapses and the barrier breaks. It's a bubble. You can't flank around it, it blocks force powers and thus would transfer over to warp abilities.

And then you have Force Stun, which could be used to put all the enemy psykers into a coma at will.

The power does not pass through the barrier though. There's nothing to pass through. It's not like Smite, where you shoot warp lightning from your fingertips. It originates INSIDE your barrier. The barrier can't block the ability, because the power does not exist anywhere but inside the barrier at the time it is manifested. This is how the Warp works.

I guess you could try and force stun a psyker. What I'm reading about it says that it's resistable by those with strong willpower. Psykers and Space Marines in general pretty much define willpower. Also, they could probably just wake themselves right back up, given that they have their own functioning sus an membranes.

Which is why you need a Dark Jedi or two to hock Spears of Midnight Black at them. Honestly the Sith just have cooler powers i think we can all agree upon that.

I don't care how tough you are; Something that is just pure concentrated HATE focused into the force impacting you is going to rip you asunder.

Espeiecally given that everytime that Power has been used within the EU it has like a erm a 90% success rating i believe with the only true course of action of not being disolved by the impact of it is to avoid being impacted.

[Lunas Legion]

The origin point is INSIDE the barrier. The power does not cross the intervening distance. Unless the barrier blocks line of sight, or is actually a FIELD rather than a barrier, its ability to do anything against that sort of power is nil. Look at it this way. A yslamari generates a force denial field. A jedi cannot manifest his abilities inside the area, or into the area, but he can manifest his abilities PAST the area. This is the exact same situation as your force barrier stopping psychic attacks. The barrier does not create a field protecting everything inside it, it simply stops things from passing through it. As the power does not pass through, it is immune to the barrier.

The power has to cause something by going through the barrier. You don't understand. It's simply 'lol cockblock', until enough shit is flung at it that the Jedi's will collapses and the barrier breaks. It's a bubble. You can't flank around it, it blocks force powers and thus would transfer over to warp abilities.

And then you have Force Stun, which could be used to put all the enemy psykers into a coma at will.

Try using Force Stun on a Biomancer, see what happens.

And things like Blood Boil would go straight through the barrier- the power dips into the Warp, goes to the target's location in the Warp, and comes out again, bypassing the barrier. Unless you have the equivilant of Hexagrammic Wards which work by blotting that area from the warp. I think.

[Essos]

The power does not pass through the barrier though. There's nothing to pass through. It's not like Smite, where you shoot warp lightning from your fingertips. It originates INSIDE your barrier. The barrier can't block the ability, because the power does not exist anywhere but inside the barrier at the time it is manifested. This is how the Warp works.

I guess you could try and force stun a psyker. What I'm reading about it says that it's resistable by those with strong willpower. Psykers and Space Marines in general pretty much define willpower. Also, they could probably just wake themselves right back up, given that they have their own functioning sus an membranes.

Which is why you need a Dark Jedi or two to hock Spears of Midnight Black at them. Honestly the Sith just have cooler powers i think we can all agree upon that.

I don't care how tough you are; Something that is just pure concentrated HATE focused into the force impacting you is going to rip you asunder.

Espeiecally given that everytime that Power has been used within the EU it has like a erm a 90% success rating i believe with the only true course of action of not being disolved by the impact of it is to avoid being impacted.

This much we can agree on. Sissy jedi and their mind molestation powers. That being said, I would presume that you could take an invuln save against it. Some Psyker powers would let you resist, at least a little bit. There's actually one that's called Force Barrier too, which I find humorous. Pass a psychic test, attack gets mentally defeated.

Also, this is one reason that GW needs to get ahold of the SW for purposes of making a tabletop wargame. Or Fantasy FLight needs to make a non-shitty non-d20 system RPG, so we can compare from Deathwatch, Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Black Crusade, and Only War, with whatever SW RPGs there might be. As it is, comparing between percentile systems and d20 is pretty difficult.

[The Zeonic States]

The power has to cause something by going through the barrier. You don't understand. It's simply 'lol cockblock', until enough shit is flung at it that the Jedi's will collapses and the barrier breaks. It's a bubble. You can't flank around it, it blocks force powers and thus would transfer over to warp abilities.

And then you have Force Stun, which could be used to put all the enemy psykers into a coma at will.

Try using Force Stun on a Biomancer, see what happens.

And things like Blood Boil would go straight through the barrier- the power dips into the Warp, goes to the target's location in the Warp, and comes out again, bypassing the barrier. Unless you have the equivilant of Hexagrammic Wards which work by blotting that area from the warp. I think.

Given that you don't need to be a Pysker to use the Warp wouldn't the same principle apply to defending yourself from it?

You already have beings of mental displine here.

[Essos]

Try using Force Stun on a Biomancer, see what happens.

And things like Blood Boil would go straight through the barrier- the power dips into the Warp, goes to the target's location in the Warp, and comes out again, bypassing the barrier. Unless you have the equivilant of Hexagrammic Wards which work by blotting that area from the warp. I think.

Given that you don't need to be a Pysker to use the Warp wouldn't the same principle apply to defending yourself from it?

You already have beings of mental displine here.

You have to be either a Psyker, or a Sorcerer. One is an inborn mutation, the other involves making seriously ugly dark pacts with the Ruinous Powers, and probably eternal suffering, and possible spawnhood. Regular guys can't use the warp without doing some VERY ugly things. Chaos Sorcerers make Sith look like fluffy bunny huggers.

[Lunas Legion]

Try using Force Stun on a Biomancer, see what happens.

And things like Blood Boil would go straight through the barrier- the power dips into the Warp, goes to the target's location in the Warp, and comes out again, bypassing the barrier. Unless you have the equivilant of Hexagrammic Wards which work by blotting that area from the warp. I think.

Given that you don't need to be a Pysker to use the Warp wouldn't the same principle apply to defending yourself from it?

You already have beings of mental displine here.

What do you mean you don't need to be a psyker to use the warp? The only other, non-psychic way to use the Warp is Warp travel which rips a hole in the edge of the Warp, not using it, more charging through it.