The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Gideus]

No. They are loaded and fired in sequence, much like a volley gun. Nothing says they cannot fire the entire battery within a few seconds. Only a single barrel is powered at a time. With wires and conductors, power moves at light speed. After one fires, another could likely fire almost instantaneously. Not enough information is provided and I will assume that they have multiple batteries per side of the ship in order to allow for continuous fire because anything else would be... Ridiculous. Simply stupid.

More so, it never says there aren't multiple loaded barrels. In fact, it's reasonable to assume that at least a few of the barrels next in line in sequence are ready to be fired, waiting for power, and the rest are being loaded.

As I earlier said, it is reminiscent of a volley gun. Every barrel is loaded to be fired in sequence. The difference is that they can't fire every barrel at once in a single battery (I think they could, but it would likely drain the power to an unacceptable level.).

[Condunum]

More so, it never says there aren't multiple loaded barrels. In fact, it's reasonable to assume that at least a few of the barrels next in line in sequence are ready to be fired, waiting for power, and the rest are being loaded.

As I earlier said, it is reminiscent of a volley gun. Every barrel is loaded to be fired in sequence. The difference is that they can't fire every barrel at once in a single battery (I think they could, but it would likely drain the power to an unacceptable level.).

It's a logistical issue, but one they could probably handle within a matter of a century.

See, the Tau, while they have refined their super capacitors greatly, didn't actually have a need to make a super fast firing system until they came across the Imperium fleets. Up until then, their weapons systems were very capable of handling their situation. But they adapted quite well, and quite quickly.

[The Grand Imperium of Man]

as any body talked about the Planet Killer

[AETEN II]

as any body talked about the Planet Killer

No, because it's no more impressive than an Eclipse-Class Star Destroyer.

[The Zeonic States]

as any body talked about the Planet Killer

Finally an actually impressive warship imerges from the hands of Man in WH.

Well chaos controlled Man...Samething though.

Energy Projectors, Laser Weaponr, Kinetic Weaponry Batteries, Torpedo Launchers.

Finally! Finally!

The friggin WarHammer SSD arrives.

Pity there is only a singular one and the fact it's weakness is what it is.

Heck i would trade Paper Armor plating if the shielding was good as it stated to able to move quicker then it does.

I don't know, Don't know.

It's obviously a well built and armed Vessel but the fact it moves so slowly puts it well within repeat Imperial Strikes from Other Warships not to mention fighter and bomber stafings.

It would suffer the fate of the Yammato i believe.

But i give this Warship my phraise due to it actually being a worthy opponent in my opinion.

Toss a Battle group at it though? In a one on one fight? this thing would go through just about anything in starwars besides a super star destoyer and i grant it that respect.

But the bad thing for it however is that the Imperial navy never sends a singular vessel into combat situations if they can help, That was the whole reason of tossing twenty four star destoryers into a battle fleet and then that battle fleet being assigned for sector defense.

I think against a battle fleet? Numbers would just beat it.

It might take one or two or even three star destoryers with it but it would go down.

And again this due mainly to being unable to avoid the volleys of fire coming at it, the shields would fail eventually and then that would be the begining of the end for the ship.

[Condunum]

as any body talked about the Planet Killer

Finally an actually impressive warship imerges from the hands of Man in WH.

Oh, you sound like you've been disappointed so far.

Protip: Don't expect anything except "LOLHUGE" from the IoM. Ever. Well, you can occasionally expect "LOLRELIGIOUSSHIP", but they're rather useless.

[The Zeonic States]

Finally an actually impressive warship imerges from the hands of Man in WH.

Oh, you sound like you've been disappointed so far.

Protip: Don't expect anything except "LOLHUGE" from the IoM. Ever. Well, you can occasionally expect "LOLRELIGIOUSSHIP", but they're rather useless.

No i haven't been overly impressed by what the Imperium fields to be honest its head and shoulders above orks but that is almost impossible not do.

And Huge? I thought i got the Mantra big equals better out of this.

Most vessels in WH are much larger then their starwars counterpart but that doesn't stop starwars from having better techology as far as shielding and weaponry goes.

[Condunum]

Oh, you sound like you've been disappointed so far.

Protip: Don't expect anything except "LOLHUGE" from the IoM. Ever. Well, you can occasionally expect "LOLRELIGIOUSSHIP", but they're rather useless.

No i haven't been overly impressed by what the Imperium fields to be honest its head and shoulders above orks but that is almost impossible not do.

And Huge? I thought i got the Mantra big equals better out of this.

Most vessels in WH are much larger then their starwars counterpart but that doesn't stop starwars from having better techology as far as shielding and weaponry goes.

They outclass almost all ships in the Warhammer universe, yes.

[The Zeonic States]

No i haven't been overly impressed by what the Imperium fields to be honest its head and shoulders above orks but that is almost impossible not do.

And Huge? I thought i got the Mantra big equals better out of this.

Most vessels in WH are much larger then their starwars counterpart but that doesn't stop starwars from having better techology as far as shielding and weaponry goes.

They outclass almost all ships in the Warhammer universe, yes.

Tau Kinetics and Necron Energy Weaponry are about the only thing comparable even then i am doing it from full fleet engagement standpoints.

Invidually i would still credit an Imperial two over a Necron Cruiser or Tau Battleship.

You toss in Multiple ships though and shielding becomes a more serious concern due to the possibility of Multiple vessels firing upon singular Imperial targets increasing the likely hood of their advantage in weaponry and shielding ceasing to matter.

That said however a full fleet on Fleet engagement? It would depend almost entirely what each side is fielding as far as Warhammer goes the Imperial standard battle fleet is twenty four star destoryers plus escort vessels.

I don't know what a "Necron" Standard fleet is or what a "Standard" Tau Fleet is thus making me just compare invidual ship merits.

I do know however the Tau Navy is much smaller then the Imperial Navy thus making their capabilities in space increasingly reduced in an attrition based campaign. The Empire can afford to lose a few Star Destoryers here and there, Can the Tau say the same of their Battleships?

And That's where losing their best and most advanced Warships will hurt them the Empire can Afford Loses the Tau simply cannot.

The Necron Fleet? Well there are quite a few Necron out there and their Fleet numbers have never really be established but i would imagine it to be far larger then the Tau Fleet, Possibly comparable in numbers to the Imperium's Fleet if not a bit smaller.

So a wide scale fleet engagement where they lost even a Tomb Class capital ship and several cruisers might not be a hinderence to them.

An overly large one anyway; Perhaps i am overthinking this.

[Condunum]

They outclass almost all ships in the Warhammer universe, yes.

Tau Kinetics and Necron Energy Weaponry are about the only thing comparable even then i am doing it from full fleet engagement standpoints.

Invidually i would still credit an Imperial two over a Necron Cruiser or Tau Battleship.

You toss in Multiple ships though and shielding becomes a more serious concern due to the possibility of Multiple vessels firing upon singular Imperial targets increasing the likely hood of their advantage in weaponry and shielding ceasing to matter.

That said however a full fleet on Fleet engagement? It would depend almost entirely what each side is fielding as far as Warhammer goes the Imperial standard battle fleet is twenty four star destoryers plus escort vessels.

I don't know what a "Necron" Standard fleet is or what a "Standard" Tau Fleet is thus making me just compare invidual ship merits.

I do know however the Tau Navy is much smaller then the Imperial Navy thus making their capabilities in space increasingly reduced in an attrition based campaign. The Empire can afford to lose a few Star Destoryers here and there, Can the Tau say the same of their Battleships?

And That's where losing their best and most advanced Warships will hurt them the Empire can Afford Loses the Tau simply cannot.

The Necron Fleet? Well there are quite a few Necron out there and their Fleet numbers have never really be established but i would imagine it to be far larger then the Tau Fleet, Possibly comparable in numbers to the Imperium's Fleet if not a bit smaller.

So a wide scale fleet engagement where they lost even a Tomb Class capital ship and several cruisers might not be a hinderence to them.

An overly large one anyway; Perhaps i am overthinking this.

I wasn't asking for you to say anything about anything. Stop using every damn comment I make to rant, Jesus. It's annoying.

[The Zeonic States]

Tau Kinetics and Necron Energy Weaponry are about the only thing comparable even then i am doing it from full fleet engagement standpoints.

Invidually i would still credit an Imperial two over a Necron Cruiser or Tau Battleship.

You toss in Multiple ships though and shielding becomes a more serious concern due to the possibility of Multiple vessels firing upon singular Imperial targets increasing the likely hood of their advantage in weaponry and shielding ceasing to matter.

That said however a full fleet on Fleet engagement? It would depend almost entirely what each side is fielding as far as Warhammer goes the Imperial standard battle fleet is twenty four star destoryers plus escort vessels.

I don't know what a "Necron" Standard fleet is or what a "Standard" Tau Fleet is thus making me just compare invidual ship merits.

I do know however the Tau Navy is much smaller then the Imperial Navy thus making their capabilities in space increasingly reduced in an attrition based campaign. The Empire can afford to lose a few Star Destoryers here and there, Can the Tau say the same of their Battleships?

And That's where losing their best and most advanced Warships will hurt them the Empire can Afford Loses the Tau simply cannot.

The Necron Fleet? Well there are quite a few Necron out there and their Fleet numbers have never really be established but i would imagine it to be far larger then the Tau Fleet, Possibly comparable in numbers to the Imperium's Fleet if not a bit smaller.

So a wide scale fleet engagement where they lost even a Tomb Class capital ship and several cruisers might not be a hinderence to them.

An overly large one anyway; Perhaps i am overthinking this.

I wasn't asking for you to say anything about anything. Stop using every damn comment I make to rant, Jesus. It's annoying.

Rant? Apologies if you view as such but i was merely trying to show my position upon the issue.

Perhaps if you are sick of debating this though you shouldn't continue to go to the debate thread.

Just a freindly suggestion.

[Condunum]

I wasn't asking for you to say anything about anything. Stop using every damn comment I make to rant, Jesus. It's annoying.

Rant? Apologies if you view as such but i was merely trying to show my position upon the issue.

Perhaps if you are sick of debating this though you shouldn't continue to go to the debate thread.

Just a freindly suggestion.

I debate when I debate. That was not an invitation to debate, it was an acknowledgement, for fucks sake.

[The Zeonic States]

Rant? Apologies if you view as such but i was merely trying to show my position upon the issue.

Perhaps if you are sick of debating this though you shouldn't continue to go to the debate thread.

Just a freindly suggestion.

I debate when I debate. That was not an invitation to debate, it was an acknowledgement, for fucks sake.

You sound like you need a hug do you want a digital hug?

And i already apologized for misreading your intent once before i will not do so again.

[Condunum]

I debate when I debate. That was not an invitation to debate, it was an acknowledgement, for fucks sake.

You sound like you need a hug do you want a digital hug?

And i already apologized for misreading your intent once before i will not do so again.

*sigh* I'm just very, very on edge lately.

Just note that unless I make some comment about something being BS, a one liner from me is nothing to be bothered with.

[Cornelius Dominion]

well tau they are the most sharpshooters and advanced race in the galaxy they intented to use droids and bang them all to death

Its me people a.k.a Umoja Dominion and i'm sorry to the guys that i fucked (not trolling sir !!) before and going to post good things about WH40K and done so people if theres wrong lemme do it good.

[b]Most Warlike Creatures in WH40k[/b]

So orks are the most warlike race in the WH40K with there slugga and choppas muahahahahahah and they all ways have there own clans and affiliations and can generally and literally put down a ton of stormtroopers,clonetroopers,droids and etc. Well orks love war because their religion is
war even their gods relate to warfare like gork and mork you see they are just going to war in the planet then if they are losing they will pull out and continue to reproduce and rearm them self and attack the previous planet that they fought before "to put up a better fight". Orks are better know by their trash equipment but these things are some of the awesome equipment like the titan sized gargants,sluggas,lazers etc. All of the things of orchish tribe are often scaveged and paint them so it will give a sign to other ork "clans that it is ours" They also use creatures like squigs and its cousins and boars they often arm them with their finest weponries. And they are expendable like because they can generally asexually reproduce via spores if they are living or when getting killed.

[Samuraikoku]

They outclass almost all ships in the Warhammer universe, yes.

Well helps a lot when you don't have the Warp.

[AETEN II]

well tau they are the most sharpshooters and advanced race in the galaxy they intented to use droids and bang them all to death

Its me people a.k.a Umoja Dominion and i'm sorry to the guys that i fucked (not trolling sir !!) before and going to post good things about WH40K and done so people if theres wrong lemme do it good.

[b]Most Warlike Creatures in WH40k[/b]

So orks are the most warlike race in the WH40K with there slugga and choppas muahahahahahah and they all ways have there own clans and affiliations and can generally and literally put down a ton of stormtroopers,clonetroopers,droids and etc. Well orks love war because their religion is
war even their gods relate to warfare like gork and mork you see they are just going to war in the planet then if they are losing they will pull out and continue to reproduce and rearm them self and attack the previous planet that they fought before "to put up a better fight". Orks are better know by their trash equipment but these things are some of the awesome equipment like the titan sized gargants,sluggas,lazers etc. All of the things of orchish tribe are often scaveged and paint them so it will give a sign to other ork "clans that it is ours" They also use creatures like squigs and its cousins and boars they often arm them with their finest weponries. And they are expendable like because they can generally asexually reproduce via spores if they are living or when getting killed.

We've already discussed this, Orks would be wiped out with relative ease because unlike the Imperium, the Empire would value their destruction more, and thus simply destroy any planet Orks are on.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They outclass almost all ships in the Warhammer universe, yes.

Well helps a lot when you don't have the Warp.

It's like a squirrel killing an elephant with a rocket launcher.

[AETEN II]

Well helps a lot when you don't have the Warp.

It's like a squirrel killing an elephant with a rocket launcher.

That's a terrible analogy. It's more like driving a race-car somewhere, to strapping several rocket boosters to a car and driving there. The car with the rocket boosters may get there faster, the boosters could die earlier than expected and you won't get there, or you'll blow up or spin out and die horribly. The race car can still be destroyed if it smacks into anything while speeding, but because it's driving on a large, open freeway, there's little traffic to dodge.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It's like a squirrel killing an elephant with a rocket launcher.

That's a terrible analogy. It's more like driving a race-car somewhere, to strapping several rocket boosters to a car and driving there. The car with the rocket boosters may get there faster, the boosters could die earlier than expected and you won't get there, or you'll blow up or spin out and die horribly. The race car can still be destroyed if it smacks into anything while speeding, but because it's driving on a large, open freeway, there's little traffic to dodge.

I was talking about ships in general. Scratch that, it's like a horde of squirrels with rocket launchers killing an elephant.

[AETEN II]

That's a terrible analogy. It's more like driving a race-car somewhere, to strapping several rocket boosters to a car and driving there. The car with the rocket boosters may get there faster, the boosters could die earlier than expected and you won't get there, or you'll blow up or spin out and die horribly. The race car can still be destroyed if it smacks into anything while speeding, but because it's driving on a large, open freeway, there's little traffic to dodge.

I was talking about ships in general. Scratch that, it's like a horde of squirrels with rocket launchers killing an elephant.

You're forgetting though that the majority of Star Wars ships aren't smaller than warhammer, and in some cases are actually larger. The Empire fields a great deal of batttleships and dreadnaughts varying between 5 to 20 kilometers.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I was talking about ships in general. Scratch that, it's like a horde of squirrels with rocket launchers killing an elephant.

You're forgetting though that the majority of Star Wars ships aren't smaller than warhammer, and in some cases are actually larger. The Empire fields a great deal of batttleships and dreadnaughts varying between 5 to 20 kilometers.

So a horde of giant squirrels with rockets and race cars fighting an elephant? Let's just stop. Also, I'm pretty sure most ships are smaller than their 40K counterparts.

[AETEN II]

You're forgetting though that the majority of Star Wars ships aren't smaller than warhammer, and in some cases are actually larger. The Empire fields a great deal of batttleships and dreadnaughts varying between 5 to 20 kilometers.

So a horde of giant squirrels with rockets and race cars fighting an elephant? Let's just stop. Also, I'm pretty sure most ships are smaller than their 40K counterparts.

No, they're on par with most of the Imperium's variation.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial ... references

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So a horde of giant squirrels with rockets and race cars fighting an elephant? Let's just stop. Also, I'm pretty sure most ships are smaller than their 40K counterparts.

No, they're on par with most of the Imperium's variation.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial ... references

The Imperium's counterpart to the Imperial-class would be a lunar cruiser, while the escorts of the Imperium are on par in size with said star destroyer.

[AETEN II]

No, they're on par with most of the Imperium's variation.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial ... references

The Imperium's counterpart to the Imperial-class would be a lunar cruiser, while the escorts of the Imperium are on par in size with said star destroyer.

No, the list at the bottom of the page. Click through it.