The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Agymnum]

Space Marines may kick ass, but their testicles dwarf in size compared to those of the Imperial Guard and the Krieger regiments.

"Flashlights and Flak Jackets. Because I didn't feel like killing that guy anyways, and protection is for pussies."

The guard does all the work, the Marines get all the credit.

As a former Guardsman commander on tabletop, it's nice to know someone gets it.

[Arkotania]

Dark Eldar...Evil little bastards. Of course they may have learned a small lesson when they tried to hold hostage some Space Marines. I may not really like the Space Marines, but they can kick ass(Of course you can't say Imperial Stromtroopers suck because it wouldn't be fair. They didn't have much of a choice)

Space Marines may kick ass, but their testicles dwarf in size compared to those of the Imperial Guard and the Krieger regiments.

"Flashlights and Flak Jackets. Because I didn't feel like killing that guy anyways, and protection is for pussies."

Do the Space Marines have testicles? I've always wondered...

And Chaos rewards are not very rewarding. Either you get all mutated to shit and become the caged team mascot or you become an epic half-daemon prince(which rarely seems to happen).

[Laeriland]

The guard does all the work, the Marines get all the credit.

As a former Guardsman commander on tabletop, it's nice to know someone gets it.

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

[Primordial Luxa]

Space Marines may kick ass, but their testicles dwarf in size compared to those of the Imperial Guard and the Krieger regiments.

"Flashlights and Flak Jackets. Because I didn't feel like killing that guy anyways, and protection is for pussies."

Do the Space Marines have testicles? I've always wondered...

And Chaos rewards are not very rewarding. Either you get all mutated to shit and become the caged team mascot or you become an epic half-daemon prince(which rarely seems to happen).

Yes but they don't work

[Agymnum]

As a former Guardsman commander on tabletop, it's nice to know someone gets it.

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

Ah, the good ol' Catachans.

I was partial to Kriegers and the occasional Adeptus Mechanicus Techpriest (for flavor context, never had the model in an actual game) myself.

EDIT: Misspelling for the lulz!

[Arkotania]

As a former Guardsman commander on tabletop, it's nice to know someone gets it.

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

[Trollgaard]

As a former Guardsman commander on tabletop, it's nice to know someone gets it.

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

I have a guard army. Catachans also. But I've moved on. I'm starting a chaos marines army, like I've wanted to for a year and a half.

Started off with Blood Angels back when they had a pdf codex, btw.

[Laeriland]

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

Ah, the good ol' Catchacans.

I was partial to Kriegers and the occasional Adeptus Mechanicus Techpriest (for flavor context, never had the model in an actual game) myself.

Craziest regiments in the Guard, and that is truly saying something.

Last words you want to hear from a Catachan? Him praising whatever hell hole he's on and saying it reminds him of home.

[Trollgaard]

Do the Space Marines have testicles? I've always wondered...

And Chaos rewards are not very rewarding. Either you get all mutated to shit and become the caged team mascot or you become an epic half-daemon prince(which rarely seems to happen).

Yes but they don't work

Unless you devote yourself to Slaanesh!

[Agymnum]

Used to be a one myself, and the only armor my boys wore was pants and a red bandanna.

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

In the DoW franchise, Guardsman became my bread-and-butter. Just throw a couple of fully-manned squads out there with a few Commissars, and watch shit get real ugly.

Of course, for winning, I'd rush with Guardsmen and then use the resources from capped points to rush my vehicle depots. Nothing can match the power of IG armor.

[Arkotania]

Yes but they don't work

Unless you devote yourself to Slaanesh!

Then your testicles become strange tentacles.

[Laeriland]

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

In the DoW franchise, Guardsman became my bread-and-butter. Just throw a couple of fully-manned squads out there with a few Commissars, and watch shit get real ugly.

Of course, for winning, I'd rush with Guardsmen and then use the resources from capped points to rush my vehicle depots. Nothing can match the power of IG armor.

Those I can not crush with words I will crush with the treads of the Imperial Guard-Lord Commander Solar Macharius

[Trollgaard]

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

In the DoW franchise, Guardsman became my bread-and-butter. Just throw a couple of fully-manned squads out there with a few Commissars, and watch shit get real ugly.

Of course, for winning, I'd rush with Guardsmen and then use the resources from capped points to rush my vehicle depots. Nothing can match the power of IG armor.

I do love the tanks. Especially vanquishers. I know they aren't the most competitive choice, but man, I do love blowing up other tanks with my vanquisher! Taken out several other russes, many battle wagons, a few predators, and many, many rhinos and razorbacks.

[Arkotania]

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

In the DoW franchise, Guardsman became my bread-and-butter. Just throw a couple of fully-manned squads out there with a few Commissars, and watch shit get real ugly.

Of course, for winning, I'd rush with Guardsmen and then use the resources from capped points to rush my vehicle depots. Nothing can match the power of IG armor.

I've found Chaos to be better suited for me.

[Gauthier]

Unless you devote yourself to Slaanesh!

Then your testicles become strange tentacles.

And then you make films in Japan.

[Trollgaard]

Then your testicles become strange tentacles.

And then you make films in Japan.

Is...is that a win?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

And then you make films in Japan.

Is...is that a win?

Yes, as two of the world's greatest filmmakers, Akira Kurosawa and Hayao Miyazaki, are from Japan.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Back to comparisons
what about diplomacy what would each universe do?

Tau would definitely be up for alliances. They're the sanest and "cleanest" of the races.

True there, it's even part of their MO, even if the fiction now has them more enforcing it with a gun on the weaker and diplomacy on the stronger until they can assimilate them too.

Orks could be "persuaded" into joining the Mandalorians perhaps(since both possess a love for war).

I'm not seeing that. Orks love war in a very different way. It's like saying a Samurai who lives and breathes Bushido could be persuaded to join the most savage blood lusted barbarian horde or vice versa.

Other races manipulate the orks or manipulate people into running into them (such as the Imperium redirecting a hive fleet into an ork empire or the Eldar manipulating them)

Eldar usually only have their missions hunting stuff down, so they wouldn't be too problematic(as long as they don't screw with shit).

Eldar have a long history of alliances or mutual assistance with the Imperium (the Gothic War featured the two working together, as did the last Black Crusade in a less official manner) when called for, and they have a reputation for manipulating other races. It really depends on what their seers see as the best course of action for the Eldar.

It often ends in backstabbing, but it still happens. Plenty are the stories though of an Eldar force swooping in and saving some other races bacon in some battle and then leaving as mysteriously as they came.

Necrons want to destroy anything that goes under the category of "living" or "capable of providing life"

Mostly. Or harvest them.

Chaos will always be fighting, especially with Spaces Marines, so there is no diplomacy with either.

Chaos does a lot of diplomacy, since Khorne isn't representative of all the Chaos Gods. Infiltration, corruption, deals that are too good to be true, deals with devils etc - chaos offers it all. Slaanesh, Tzeentch and Nurgle (and their servants) all have reputations for being there wherever there are people to exploit.

That's the reason in the 40k universe there are and have been sizable chaos empires.

Plus - Space Marines are just a single troop type of the Imperium, and the Imperium does do diplomacy when needed, even if it often results in back stabbing eventually.

The Imperial Guard are cannon fodder and shouldn't be an issue, since their navies would be blasted to smithereens before they could even deploy. And even if they did deploy, thousands B1 battle droids would work to keep them at bay.

The Imperial guard (with its trillions of troops, billions of tanks etc), space marines, Inquisitors, sisters of battle, the assassin orders, Imperial psykers, Imperial Navy, Titan Legions etc all serve the same side, it'll be up to the Imperial administrative bodies. And B1 battle droids? I can only imagine the Imperial Guards would think they were on a holiday getting to fight them compared to their normal opponents of corrupted Imperial guard, tyranids, chaos, orks... unless those particular battle droids have a much better showing somewhere other than the films and cartoons where they were flimsy and... well, just fairly crappy all round.

Plus the Imperial guard don't have their own navies. They got taken away after the whole civil war.

Tyranids can't be talked to, since they just want to rape every living thing and inject them with their own genes.

No, they want to eat everything and use their genes to make better tyranids. Hive fleets are often preceded by gene stealer cults which set up shop and make deals, corrupt officials etc

And I personally believe the Chaos gods got nothing against the Force. Unlike warp users, Force users are not subject to spontaneous combustion or cranial explosions(or soul possessions, though the Dark Side is simply when the force is used for selfish and evil things. The Force is neutral). The Force also seems to have more beneficial powers(such as battle mediation and safely firing lighting from your finger tips)

You should have a look at the Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy/etc (or the fiction) RPGs which significantly unpack warp related powers and psyker abilities. Once a psyker gets to the point of Holocaust or Shape Flesh or Regenerate (or catching/deflecting projectiles safely, which is fairly low level) etc they aren't nearly as worried by the risk of their head exploding or a greater daemon exploding from them. Trust me, you are very much underselling their potential and power of them.

They carry risk sure, but the risk is well worth it in the hands of an experienced psyker (of which there are many). And of course if you actually serve chaos the risk is much less and the power much more addictive.

[Trotskylvania]

Part of the problem is that these come from very different genres.

Halo is a bog-standard military sci-fi setting, with the twist being that all the really cool shit are just the ruins of civilizations long passed. So the back story is the kind of high sci-fi and space opera that isn't that popular anymore.

Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, at least not the films. It's high fantasy in space, and this bleeds through into the EU. Hence, the technological stasis, the royalty, the magic, and the huge megastructures of questionable purpose.

Warhammer 40k also isn't really sci-fi. It's gothic fantasy in space. Which is pretty understandable, because it started as Warhammer Fantasy recycled in space.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Part of the problem is that these come from very different genres.

Halo is a bog-standard military sci-fi setting, with the twist being that all the really cool shit are just the ruins of civilizations long passed. So the back story is the kind of high sci-fi and space opera that isn't that popular anymore.

Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, at least not the films. It's high fantasy in space, and this bleeds through into the EU. Hence, the technological stasis, the royalty, the magic, and the huge megastructures of questionable purpose.

Warhammer 40k also isn't really sci-fi. It's gothic fantasy in space. Which is pretty understandable, because it started as Warhammer Fantasy recycled in space.

True.

[Octogots]

what about star trek ?

[Slorch]

I've always wanted to get into the tabletop 40k. Course I know nothing about tabletop gaming...

Only experience with 40k would dawn of war(with the expansions:dark crusade and winter assault). I did play as the Imperial Guard in Dark Crusade and win, but it took some time in each battle since without heavy weapons(and artilerry/tanks), my men were pummeled. Course the benefit of executing a "coward" did help when I had a whole bunch of guardsmen.

In the DoW franchise, Guardsman became my bread-and-butter. Just throw a couple of fully-manned squads out there with a few Commissars, and watch shit get real ugly.

Of course, for winning, I'd rush with Guardsmen and then use the resources from capped points to rush my vehicle depots. Nothing can match the power of IG armor.

exept for tau

[Yes Im Biop]

Lets see. 40K Because Their Cannon fodder seem to be able to give the damage of a megaton nuke > Halo Because of Gigaton MAC's and the Infinity and Spartan's. > Because the other two would just Smoke Jedi from orbit.

[Emperial Canada]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

Provided you can get to them, of course. And then you still have to deal with Chaos, the Necrons, and whoever was in the warp or web way to deal with. Also, if it wipes out all sentient life in the galaxy, then how would you win if you're in the galaxy? Shield worlds? That's actually a viable option though. Of course, Warhammer can just blow up the shield world.