The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Primordial Luxa]

No hes dead, the throne just keeps his soul in his body and not in the warp.

I thought he was alive, just in a vegetative state, physically anyway. Of course his mind is going full-bore, but his body ain't. I thought he was, technically, alive.

Nope,
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dead
hes soul is just trapped in the corpse.
Its explained in the outcast dead.

[New Zepuha]

No hes dead, the throne just keeps his soul in his body and not in the warp.

I thought he was alive, just in a vegetative state, physically anyway. Of course his mind is going full-bore, but his body ain't. I thought he was, technically, alive.

Obviously the lose of life-support on a more managable scale has been quite a blow for the Imperium.

He doesn't quite fit all 8 criteria to a living being seeing as he really can't reproduce anymore. But yeah his mind is eternally alive and in that way he can physically touch things according to lore.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

I thought he was alive, just in a vegetative state, physically anyway. Of course his mind is going full-bore, but his body ain't. I thought he was, technically, alive.

Nope,
D
E
A
D
dead
hes soul is just trapped in the corpse.
Its explained in the outcast dead.

Huh, then why bother having a life-support system in the form of the golden throne anyway is his body is gone. Surely they could find a cheaper alternative if his body is actually dead.

If he was truly dead, why is there the concern that the Golden Throne is slowly falling to pieces, and people are worried that his 'body will die' and lead to potential ruin for humanity,

I'm sure his body is, technically, alive, just about as close to being dead as possible.

[Primordial Luxa]

Nope,
D
E
A
D
dead
hes soul is just trapped in the corpse.
Its explained in the outcast dead.

Huh, then why bother having a life-support system in the form of the golden throne anyway?.

If he was truly dead, why is there the concern that the Golden Throne is slowly falling to pieces, and people are worried that his 'body will die' and lead to potential ruin for humanity,

I'm sure his body is, technically, alive, just about as close to being dead as possible.

No maybe im saying this wrong.
his body died but his soul/mind/pycic energy is still in it.
the throne dosnt keep him alive, it keeps his soul form entering the warp, if it did then he couldn't keep terra safe from the chaos gods.

[Kreanoltha]

I thought he was alive, just in a vegetative state, physically anyway. Of course his mind is going full-bore, but his body ain't. I thought he was, technically, alive.

Obviously the lose of life-support on a more managable scale has been quite a blow for the Imperium.

He doesn't quite fit all 8 criteria to a living being seeing as he really can't reproduce anymore. But yeah his mind is eternally alive and in that way he can physically touch things according to lore.

That and he is currently being fed thousands of weaker Psykers a day to make sure his soul stays alive. They also need the Throne to power the Beacon on Holy Terra. Oh, and the Throne is breaking down.

It seems medical research and technology has gone a long way downhill since the 21st Century, considering we could potentially keep him 'alive' here, although we couldn't power the astronomicon.

Yes it has gone down hill. That's the point of WH40K. Everything has gone down hill. Everything. They don't even know how to build their better ships anymore. Hell, even the other species have gone down hill.

[Trotskylvania]

Huh, then why bother having a life-support system in the form of the golden throne anyway?.

If he was truly dead, why is there the concern that the Golden Throne is slowly falling to pieces, and people are worried that his 'body will die' and lead to potential ruin for humanity,

I'm sure his body is, technically, alive, just about as close to being dead as possible.

No maybe im saying this wrong.
his body died but his soul/mind/pycic energy is still in it.
the throne dosnt keep him alive, it keeps his soul form entering the warp, if it did then he couldn't keep terra safe from the chaos gods.

No, his body isn't dead. It's explicitly stated that the Golden Throne keeps his decaying body caught between life and death. The Golden Throne is an arcane life support mechanism, and when his body finally irreversibly dies, whether from the failure of the Golden Throne or the slow ravages of time, the Emperor's soul will be cast into the warp, and then no one really knows what will happen.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

He doesn't quite fit all 8 criteria to a living being seeing as he really can't reproduce anymore. But yeah his mind is eternally alive and in that way he can physically touch things according to lore.

That and he is currently being fed thousands of weaker Psykers a day to make sure his soul stays alive. They also need the Throne to power the Beacon on Holy Terra. Oh, and the Throne is breaking down.

It seems medical research and technology has gone a long way downhill since the 21st Century, considering we could potentially keep him 'alive' here, although we couldn't power the astronomicon.

Yes it has gone down hill. That's the point of WH40K. Everything has gone down hill. Everything. They don't even know how to build their better ships anymore. Hell, even the other species have gone down hill.

I would have thought that would at least have life support machines. Sure, everything else is in a terrible way, but man its really bad if they can't even match earth in medical technology 39,000 years or so in the future.

[Arkotania]

No maybe im saying this wrong.
his body died but his soul/mind/pycic energy is still in it.
the throne dosnt keep him alive, it keeps his soul form entering the warp, if it did then he couldn't keep terra safe from the chaos gods.

No, his body isn't dead. It's explicitly stated that the Golden Throne keeps his decaying body caught between life and death. The Golden Throne is an arcane life support mechanism, and when his body finally irreversibly dies, whether from the failure of the Golden Throne or the slow ravages of time, the Emperor's soul will be cast into the warp, and then no one really knows what will happen.

Pretty sure his soul will blind the chaos gods or his soul will be devoured by a chaos god. Basically, his soul utterly destroys chaos or his soul boosts it so much that Chaos will reign. My assumptions that is.

[New Zepuha]

No maybe im saying this wrong.
his body died but his soul/mind/pycic energy is still in it.
the throne dosnt keep him alive, it keeps his soul form entering the warp, if it did then he couldn't keep terra safe from the chaos gods.

No, his body isn't dead. It's explicitly stated that the Golden Throne keeps his decaying body caught between life and death. The Golden Throne is an arcane life support mechanism, and when his body finally irreversibly dies, whether from the failure of the Golden Throne or the slow ravages of time, the Emperor's soul will be cast into the warp, and then no one really knows what will happen.

Tis thought that when he is cast into the warp the "Final Battle" will occur for the fate of Human kind and the galaxy itself. Per reference of much of dialouge in the books.

[Trotskylvania]

No, his body isn't dead. It's explicitly stated that the Golden Throne keeps his decaying body caught between life and death. The Golden Throne is an arcane life support mechanism, and when his body finally irreversibly dies, whether from the failure of the Golden Throne or the slow ravages of time, the Emperor's soul will be cast into the warp, and then no one really knows what will happen.

Pretty sure his soul will blind the chaos gods or his soul will be devoured by a chaos god. Basically, his soul utterly destroys chaos or his soul boosts it so much that Chaos will reign. My assumptions that is.

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

[Premislyd]

Hell, even the other species have gone down hill.

Not glorious Tau.

[Gauthier]

Pretty sure his soul will blind the chaos gods or his soul will be devoured by a chaos god. Basically, his soul utterly destroys chaos or his soul boosts it so much that Chaos will reign. My assumptions that is.

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

Or start up as a new God of Law. Which is by no means My Little Pony sunshiny.

[Laeriland]

Pretty sure his soul will blind the chaos gods or his soul will be devoured by a chaos god. Basically, his soul utterly destroys chaos or his soul boosts it so much that Chaos will reign. My assumptions that is.

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

Or, shock, horror, nothing happens and the universe continues along much like it has before.

[Bone Fort]

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

I read one fanficiton/theory about that, a rather good one, were he becomes a God of Order... an evil god of Orwellian type order, that is. It was actually quite good.

[Trotskylvania]

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

Or, shock, horror, nothing happens and the universe continues along much like it has before.

Eh, as bad as they've been about stasis, at least Games Failshop recognizes that something has to give. Hence, in the 6th edition rulebook, the Golden Throne has already started to fail, and the technology and knowledge for its construction and repair have long since been lost. So they will do something eventually, if only to sell us a new line of models.

[Kreanoltha]

Well, it's worth noting that in the Old Lore, which has been reshrouded in myth by Games Failshop, the Emperor was the psychic gestalt of all human psykers in the prehistoric era, who dealt with the growing powers in the warp that were devouring their souls upon death by deciding to commit suicide and all be reincarnated at once.

While Chaos is stronger now than before, so is the Emperor. So it's conceivable that he'll just rush into the Immaterium, box them around the ears, and then be reincarnated. Or he could become a new Chaos God, and swallow the heart of the Imperium in a new Eye of Terror.

Or, shock, horror, nothing happens and the universe continues along much like it has before.

Except that mankind can no longer navigate the Warp.

[Gauthier]

Or, shock, horror, nothing happens and the universe continues along much like it has before.

Eh, as bad as they've been about stasis, at least Games Failshop recognizes that something has to give. Hence, in the 6th edition rulebook, the Golden Throne has already started to fail, and the technology and knowledge for its construction and repair have long since been lost. So they will do something eventually, if only to sell us a new line of models.

Or an excuse to break up the Imperial Monopoly and introduce new human factions.

[Trotskylvania]

Or, shock, horror, nothing happens and the universe continues along much like it has before.

Except that mankind can no longer navigate the Warp.

Oh they can. It's just so perilous that it probably isn't worth it.

[Bone Fort]

Except that mankind can no longer navigate the Warp.

They could still travel the Warp, but the chances of demon popping out and muderizing everyone sky-rocket.

[North Calaveras]

codex wise I think they should combine chaos space marines with chaos guardsmen along with demons and rally it under "Forces of Chaos"

Or at least make Chaos Guardsmen an actual codex

some really new races would be nice, i think its retarded to have space wolves, grey knights, blood angels as their own damn codex.

[Bone Fort]

codex wise I think they should combine chaos space marines with chaos guardsmen along with demons and rally it under "Forces of Chaos"

Or at least make Chaos Guardsmen an actual codex

some really new races would be nice, i think its retarded to have space wolves, grey knights, blood angels as their own damn codex.

You mean the Lost and the Damned?

[North Calaveras]

codex wise I think they should combine chaos space marines with chaos guardsmen along with demons and rally it under "Forces of Chaos"

Or at least make Chaos Guardsmen an actual codex

some really new races would be nice, i think its retarded to have space wolves, grey knights, blood angels as their own damn codex.

You mean the Lost and the Damned?

Yeah but Chaos shouldn't be seperated since chaos space marines are very often mixed with daemons and normal human heretics

i can understand the seperation between guard and loyal space marines, but with Chaos there should be no separation.

[The Nuclear Fist]

but with Chaos there should be no separation.

The individual forces of Chaos hate each other.

[Gauthier]

Except that mankind can no longer navigate the Warp.

Oh they can. It's just so perilous that it probably isn't worth it.

Or a few Adepts go heretical and start picking Eldar brains to figure out how the Webway works.

[North Calaveras]

but with Chaos there should be no separation.

The individual forces of Chaos hate each other.

well i know in space marines for xbox you regularly see daemons working with rogue guardsmen and chaos space marines.