Starwars Imperial Navy and Rebel Forces V. Mass effct Reaprs

[The Empire of Ioannes]

1) It would be intercepted and destroyed well before it got even close to doing any damage.
2) Even if it made it, it's like throwing a pebble at a mountain, expect the mountain also has a forcefield capable of surviving nuclear and laser bombardment for decades nonstop and impact with other "mountains" moving at great speed. No matter how hard you throw that pebble, it will not accomplish anything.

1: ... ...You do realize that's Light speed yes?
2: The asteroid that killed the Dino's was 2 miles wide, Moving a few thousand miles an hour, This is many many million's of time's more destructive.

Yeah, but it's hitting a field of energy, there's not really anything for it to impart it's force into

So then whatever hit;s it is melted, and then impact's going just as fast only now it's molten slag?

No, because it's boiled away to its constituent atoms. Molten slag is still particles, and the shield doesn't let particles through, that's the whole point

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So then whatever hit;s it is melted, and then impact's going just as fast only now it's molten slag?

Er, no. It would be stopped completely. Because planetary shields don't let anything through other than sunlight.

And weather is 100% human-controlled on Coruscant so they could probably even stop that if they wanted.

[Yes Im Biop]

1: ... ...You do realize that's Light speed yes?
2: The asteroid that killed the Dino's was 2 miles wide, Moving a few thousand miles an hour, This is many many million's of time's more destructive.



So then whatever hit;s it is melted, and then impact's going just as fast only now it's molten slag?

No, because it's boiled away to its constituent atoms. Molten slag is still particles, and the shield doesn't let particles through, that's the whole point

Which would impart the energy of it going at light speed, Plus the energy stored in the particle's. Which is a lot.

So then whatever hit;s it is melted, and then impact's going just as fast only now it's molten slag?

Er, no. It would be stopped completely. Because planetary shields don't let anything through other than sunlight.

And weather is 100% human-controlled on Coruscant so they could probably even stop that if they wanted.

What does weather have to do with stopping something moving at light speed?

[Bone Fort]

1) In the vastness of space, light speed is like walking down your street at a semi-brisk pace, with the endpoint being the other side of the country. It would still take a considerably amount of time to get there, during which it could be easily detected and destroyed.
2) Still doesn't matter, the shield would stop all matter that hits it dead cold.

It will not work.

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Which would impart the energy of it going at light speed, Plus the energy stored in the particle's. Which is a lot.

It's not enough to take down a planetary shield.

Oh, let's not forget, Coruscant has two.

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What does weather have to do with stopping something moving at light speed?

I don't think you understand. Planetary shields stop everything. Literally nothing on any level of existence goes through them without it specifically being allowed to go through.

Okay, the Force can go through, but that's not a physical thing.

[Bone Fort]

Biop, I respectfully suggest that you pick a new tactic, because this one will not work.

[Yes Im Biop]

Which would impart the energy of it going at light speed, Plus the energy stored in the particle's. Which is a lot.

It's not enough to take down a planetary shield.

Oh, let's not forget, Coruscant has two.

That is a horrible plot device.


But don't forget what Reploid said. Take a few Important people, and They turn the shield off. Or give a reaper ship the code's to get through. Their greatest weapon is still their power to control people.

Thing is, they don't necessarily need that technological capability, nor to indoctrinate half the Empire. They just need to get a handful of well-placed individuals, and they can steal that tech at their leisure. Get a handful of people in the right positions in a bureaucracy that massive, and you can easily paralyze vast sections of its function.

Still a pretty even game as to which would ultimately prevail, but I just don't think you could write off either side as being completely thrashed with ease.

Even if they stole the technology, how would they produce it on a scale required to take on the Empire and Republic? They simply don't have the resources or means to do so.

They made a Reaper out of liquefied human remain's. I'm sure reverse engineering tech wouldn't be very hard for a race that is as old as the Universe.

[Bojikami]

Isn't this entire debate hinging on the unlikely scenario of a direct military confrontation?

If memory serves, the Reapers tend to do stuff from behind the scenes at first to undermine their opponents before calling in their full combat might. So if the Reapers were going up against the Imperial Navy, it seems to me that a more likely strategy than a direct confrontation would be for advance scouts to ensnare isolated Imperial assets and turn them into sleeper agents via indoctrination. Space is huge, there would be ample places in the Star Wars universe for a handful of Reaper advance scouts to hide and build up to where they could effectively undermine the Empire's military might. Plus the Reapers operate on a timescale substantially longer than I suspect the Empire generally does; they can afford to take decades, maybe even centuries or millennia if necessary to build up to that point where they have sufficient numbers of enemy personnel in their thrall to make the opening strike a fatal one.

So really, it seems to me the vital question isn't, "Which side has the stronger military force?" but rather, "Does the Empire have any way to detect and neutralize indoctrinated individuals on a massive enough scale to prevent the Reapers from undermining their combat effectiveness?" If they can do so, but only on a small scale, it could be a drawn out struggle to try and protect the most important assets, and I think then the battle could really go either way. If they can do so, and on a large scale, then they would maintain the advantage because they would be able to deflect the Reapers' most insidious tool and force the Reapers to rely solely on straight-up military confrontation. If they can't detect it, then the reverse is true; they would have no way to see who might be an indoctrinated sleeper just waiting to be triggered and the Reapers could easily undermine and even seize control of powerful Imperial assets.

I agree. I've played mass effect and watched star wars, and honestly, the reapers would either win or get pretty damn close to it.

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That is a horrible plot device.

It's standard equipment for any important planet in the Star Wars universe. Sorry you don't like technology in the Star Wars universe.

But don't forget what Reploid said. Take a few Important people, and They turn the shield off. Or give a reaper ship the code's to get through. Their greatest weapon is still their power to control people.

This is a horrible plot device. Also how would you stop the Emperor from detecting this upcoming "betrayal"? Would he be forced off planet or distracted by Reaper attacks? Would the massive fleet in Coruscant orbit and Golan defense stations just disappear?

[Yes Im Biop]

That is a horrible plot device.

It's standard equipment for any important planet in the Star Wars universe. Sorry you don't like technology in the Star Wars universe.

But don't forget what Reploid said. Take a few Important people, and They turn the shield off. Or give a reaper ship the code's to get through. Their greatest weapon is still their power to control people.

This is a horrible plot device. Also how would you stop the Emperor from detecting this upcoming "betrayal"? Would he be forced off planet or distracted by Reaper attacks? Would the massive fleet in Coruscant orbit and Golan defense stations just disappear?

Probably, As for the fleet, They would just bypass them with a pinpoint jump., Or just wait till he drop's and get a Thrall to take power and they have won right there.

[Bone Fort]

That is a horrible plot device.


But don't forget what Reploid said. Take a few Important people, and They turn the shield off. Or give a reaper ship the code's to get through. Their greatest weapon is still their power to control people.

Still wouldn't work, the Empire isn't nearly that stupid as to put that capability in the hands of a single person. And even if they did, there's still the fleet guarding it, which numbers in the hundreds, and all the forces only a few hours away that would begin pouring in to defend the capital. The Reapers would be outnumbered and outgunned.

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So really, it seems to me the vital question isn't, "Which side has the stronger military force?" but rather, "Does the Empire have any way to detect and neutralize indoctrinated individuals on a massive enough scale to prevent the Reapers from undermining their combat effectiveness?" If they can do so, but only on a small scale, it could be a drawn out struggle to try and protect the most important assets, and I think then the battle could really go either way. If they can do so, and on a large scale, then they would maintain the advantage because they would be able to deflect the Reapers' most insidious tool and force the Reapers to rely solely on straight-up military confrontation. If they can't detect it, then the reverse is true; they would have no way to see who might be an indoctrinated sleeper just waiting to be triggered and the Reapers could easily undermine and even seize control of powerful Imperial assets.

Oh, and on this note, they have mask that people can wear to block force suggestions, and creatures that evolved to block the force naturally. No idea what would stop them from simply engineering something either technology-wise or bio-wise to stop indoctrination.

[Yes Im Biop]

That is a horrible plot device.


But don't forget what Reploid said. Take a few Important people, and They turn the shield off. Or give a reaper ship the code's to get through. Their greatest weapon is still their power to control people.

Still wouldn't work, the Empire isn't nearly that stupid as to put that capability in the hands of a single person. And even if they did, there's still the fleet guarding it, which numbers in the hundreds, and all the forces only a few hours away that would begin pouring in to defend the capital. The Reapers would be outnumbered and outgunned.

Correct, Not a single person but where do the code's come from? A station or land based control center, You need only 1 or 2 people inside to get a few codes through before they are killed

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Probably, As for the fleet, They would just bypass them with a pinpoint jump., Or just wait till he drop's and get a Thrall to take power and they have won right there.

So they're going to bypass the fleet in Coruscant's orbit? How would that work? Are they going to jump into the planet? Because they'd do a real swell job of killing themselves off for the Empire.

And Imperial ships would have no problem bombing Coruscant into rubble. The only important things there are the Emperor and Imperial Command, which could be evacuated or protected.

[Yes Im Biop]

So really, it seems to me the vital question isn't, "Which side has the stronger military force?" but rather, "Does the Empire have any way to detect and neutralize indoctrinated individuals on a massive enough scale to prevent the Reapers from undermining their combat effectiveness?" If they can do so, but only on a small scale, it could be a drawn out struggle to try and protect the most important assets, and I think then the battle could really go either way. If they can do so, and on a large scale, then they would maintain the advantage because they would be able to deflect the Reapers' most insidious tool and force the Reapers to rely solely on straight-up military confrontation. If they can't detect it, then the reverse is true; they would have no way to see who might be an indoctrinated sleeper just waiting to be triggered and the Reapers could easily undermine and even seize control of powerful Imperial assets.

Oh, and on this note, they have mask that people can wear to block force suggestions, and creatures that evolved to block the force naturally. No idea what would stop them from simply engineering something either technology-wise or bio-wise to stop indoctrination.

Because the Indoctrination isn't just a Magic, It uses sound, Suggestion, and a little magic, Not like the brute force mind fuck the Jedi use.

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Correct, Not a single person but where do the code's come from? A station or land based control center, You need only 1 or 2 people inside to get a few codes through before they are killed

The only person during the Emperor's time that could unilaterally do this would be the Emperor.

So you're suggesting the Emperor could be indoctrinated? Because that clashes badly with the whole "Will to resist" thing. Why didn't the Reaper's just indoctrinate Shepard then?

Also how would the Reapers deal with droid combat forces? You know, the ones they can't indoctrinate.

[Yes Im Biop]

Probably, As for the fleet, They would just bypass them with a pinpoint jump., Or just wait till he drop's and get a Thrall to take power and they have won right there.

So they're going to bypass the fleet in Coruscant's orbit? How would that work? Are they going to jump into the planet? Because they'd do a real swell job of killing themselves off for the Empire.

And Imperial ships would have no problem bombing Coruscant into rubble. The only important things there are the Emperor and Imperial Command, which could be evacuated or protected.

So they make's the Reaper's job easier by having the Empire glass their own planet. I imagine that would make them look good to the Galaxy at large. And as to bypassing, No simply exit In orbit, would create some nice carnage with the million's of cubit feet or air being displaced.

Hack em like they did the Geth, a much more intelligent and probably WAY more capable force then SW droids.

[Bone Fort]

Correct, Not a single person but where do the code's come from? A station or land based control center, You need only 1 or 2 people inside to get a few codes through before they are killed

From a heavily guarded fortress with an impossible to hack supercomputer. And the Rebels tried to sneak in a small team of agents in, didn't work. They brought the shields down using a trick involving the weather overloading the shielding system, one which will not work twice since they created it.

And even in the odd event that the Reapers managed to destroy Coruscant, that changes little. The Vong did that and still lost the war. Destroying Coruscant is like destroying Washington D.C., the rest of the body fights on.

The Reapers have absolutely no way to win.

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So they make's the Reaper's job easier by having the Empire glass their own planet.

Except they wouldn't care, because they'd have killed all the Reapers doing the attack.

I imagine that would make them look good to the Galaxy at large.

The Empire blew up a planet and killed every single living thing on it. I don't think they give a shit.

And as to bypassing, No simply exit In orbit, would create some nice carnage with the million's of cubit feet or air being displaced

Do you know what happens to things that attempt to jump into gravity wells? They get stopped by gravity wells. Do you know what happens to things that try to jump inside gravity wells? They get torn to pieces because gravity...negatively affects hyperspace travel.

[Bone Fort]

So they make's the Reaper's job easier by having the Empire glass their own planet. I imagine that would make them look good to the Galaxy at large. And as to bypassing, No simply exit In orbit, would create some nice carnage with the million's of cubit feet or air being displaced.

Hack em like they did the Geth, a much more intelligent and probably WAY more capable force then SW droids.

And how do they not get glassed along with the planet? Or not utterly destroyed by jumping into a planet or its atmosphere, causing two atoms to occupying the same space? Or even make such an extremely close jump without accidently jumping into the planet itself? Or even get that close without being completely destroyed by the Empire's vast fleet?

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Hack em like they did the Geth, a much more intelligent and probably WAY more capable force then SW droids.

But the Geth are stupid? They're only "intelligent" in great numbers.

And droids are controlled by heavily armed command ships in orbit around the planets that would undoubtedly have many, many friends guarding them?

[Yes Im Biop]

So they make's the Reaper's job easier by having the Empire glass their own planet.

Except they wouldn't care, because they'd have killed all the Reapers doing the attack.

I imagine that would make them look good to the Galaxy at large.

The Empire blew up a planet and killed every single living thing on it. I don't think they give a shit.

And as to bypassing, No simply exit In orbit, would create some nice carnage with the million's of cubit feet or air being displaced

Do you know what happens to things that attempt to jump into gravity wells? They get stopped by gravity wells. Do you know what happens to things that try to jump inside gravity wells? They get torn to pieces because gravity...negatively affects hyperspace travel.

1: Why would they? Reaper's send "Small" Forces, perhaps 1 Dread and a bunch of smaller ship's. They would do the equilivent to killing a single squad

2: Yeah, And they were sure damn popular, Led to their downfall if i remember correctly

3: If they use Star War's FTL Sure, Thankfully the reaper's don't. They use Mass Effect tech, By lowering their mass to bypass the Upper limit and aren't effected by gravity

So they make's the Reaper's job easier by having the Empire glass their own planet. I imagine that would make them look good to the Galaxy at large. And as to bypassing, No simply exit In orbit, would create some nice carnage with the million's of cubit feet or air being displaced.

Hack em like they did the Geth, a much more intelligent and probably WAY more capable force then SW droids.

And how do they not get glassed along with the planet? Or not utterly destroyed by jumping into a planet or its atmosphere, causing two atoms to occupying the same space? Or even make such an extremely close jump without accidently jumping into the planet itself? Or even get that close without being completely destroyed by the Empire's vast fleet?

As shown above, They wouldn't be stupid enough to send their whole force in.

Hack em like they did the Geth, a much more intelligent and probably WAY more capable force then SW droids.

But the Geth are stupid? They're only "intelligent" in great numbers.

And droids are controlled by heavily armed command ships in orbit around the planets that would undoubtedly have many, many friends guarding them?

The Geth Got their entire collective hacked Million's upon Billion's of Geth

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1: Why would they? Reaper's send "Small" Forces, perhaps 1 Dread and a bunch of smaller ship's. They would do the equilivent to killing a single squad

Then the Empire could just use tractor beams to snatch them out of the planet's orbitals if we're going to be ridiculous. And then blow them up in space while they're completely incapable of movement and have no way of destroying Star Wars-level ships.

2: Yeah, And they were sure damn popular, Led to their downfall if i remember correctly

Except, in this scenario, the Rebels are fighting with the Empire against a foreign threat.

[Bone Fort]

1: Why would they? Reaper's send "Small" Forces, perhaps 1 Dread and a bunch of smaller ship's. They would do the equilivent to killing a single squad

2: Yeah, And they were sure damn popular, Led to their downfall if i remember correctly

3: If they use Star War's FTL Sure, Thankfully the reaper's don't. They use Mass Effect tech, By lowering their mass to bypass the Upper limit and aren't effected by gravity

1. Then they would be utterly destroyed by the larger Imperial fleet with minimal loses and not having to glass their own world.

2. See above.

3. Then you now have two atoms occupying the same space. Not going to end well.