Starwars Imperial Navy and Rebel Forces V. Mass effct Reaprs

[Bone Fort]

But the Reaper's can wait them out, They think the current ruler is competent? They can wait till he croak's. Their greatest advantages are their ability to manuipate, and the ability to wait out anything.

Just like the Sith. That's exactly how Palaptine got into power. They waited it out and manipulated from the shadows. Even better then the Reapers, since they were being hunted down, and there were only two Sith at any given time, and yet they still managed to take control of the galaxy.

[Yes Im Biop]

But the Reaper's can wait them out, They think the current ruler is competent? They can wait till he croak's. Their greatest advantages are their ability to manuipate, and the ability to wait out anything.

Just like the Sith. That's exactly how Palaptine got into power. They waited it out and manipulated from the shadows. Even better then the Reapers, since they were being hunted down, and there were only two Sith at any given time, and yet they still managed to take control of the galaxy.

There ya go, And Ya gotta wonder. Can Jedi be Indoctrinated?

[Bone Fort]

There ya go, And Ya gotta wonder. Can Jedi be Indoctrinated?

Yes and no, it's all up to what the fans decide. It's like comparing the New York Nicks to the Swedish Olympic Volleyball team and saying "Who would win?" It's too different to really decide, and official canon doesn't answer enough questions to cover this. It's the same with every vs. thread.

[Neo Arcad]

I haven't even played ME and I can safely say Reapers.

They don't have shields.

The Empire alone could ROFL stomp Mass Effect. Do you even know some of the shit they bring to the fight? Their average Battleship size is around five kilometers. Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers are just dwarf battleships by the Empire's standards, and they're a kilometer long and have the firepower to go base-delta-zero on a planet in a couple hours. Then there's the shitton of superweapons, ion weaponry which would screw over a reaper with a single shot, etc. They can clone, train, and equip and entire battalion in a week at minimum. Then there's the droids, like the Darktroopers.

The only thing Mass Effect could stand up to would be the Enterprise Series Era of the Federation from Star Trek, when the Fed ships lacked shields. And they still would probably take the Reapers with them.

They're actually called "Star Destroyers" because they are the functional equivalent of a destroyer.
I'd say the Ascension is only about the size of a Victory-II frigate.

[The Grand Network]

They don't have shields.

The Empire alone could ROFL stomp Mass Effect. Do you even know some of the shit they bring to the fight? Their average Battleship size is around five kilometers. Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers are just dwarf battleships by the Empire's standards, and they're a kilometer long and have the firepower to go base-delta-zero on a planet in a couple hours. Then there's the shitton of superweapons, ion weaponry which would screw over a reaper with a single shot, etc. They can clone, train, and equip and entire battalion in a week at minimum. Then there's the droids, like the Darktroopers.

The only thing Mass Effect could stand up to would be the Enterprise Series Era of the Federation from Star Trek, when the Fed ships lacked shields. And they still would probably take the Reapers with them.

They're actually called "Star Destroyers" because they are the functional equivalent of a destroyer.
I'd say the Ascension is only about the size of a Victory-II frigate.

Not in the times of the Empire it wasn't. By the time of Palpatine's Empire, Star Destroyers were more powerful than your average destroyer. If you go farther into the future, during Krayt's Empire, they were practically dreadnaughts.

[Yes Im Biop]

They don't have shields.

The Empire alone could ROFL stomp Mass Effect. Do you even know some of the shit they bring to the fight? Their average Battleship size is around five kilometers. Imperial II-Class Star Destroyers are just dwarf battleships by the Empire's standards, and they're a kilometer long and have the firepower to go base-delta-zero on a planet in a couple hours. Then there's the shitton of superweapons, ion weaponry which would screw over a reaper with a single shot, etc. They can clone, train, and equip and entire battalion in a week at minimum. Then there's the droids, like the Darktroopers.

The only thing Mass Effect could stand up to would be the Enterprise Series Era of the Federation from Star Trek, when the Fed ships lacked shields. And they still would probably take the Reapers with them.

They're actually called "Star Destroyers" because they are the functional equivalent of a destroyer.
I'd say the Ascension is only about the size of a Victory-II frigate.

The Destiny Ascension was small compared to Reaper Dread's who measure 2km in length, and Could take the fire power of 2 dread's before it's shield's even began to falter. Though the Ascension could probably gut any other Non reaper ship.

[Bone Fort]

The Destiny Ascension was small compared to Reaper Dread's who measure 2km in length, and Could take the fire power of 2 dread's before it's shield's even began to falter. Though the Ascension could probably gut any other Non reaper ship.

And the Imperial-I and Imperial-II class Star Destroyers, the most common types, are both 1,6000 meters in length, about 1 and a half kilometers. And there are much, much, much more of them then Reapers, and they're only considered mid-size in terms of Star Destroyers. There's mention of multi-kilometer Star Destroyers, and Super Star Destroyers range in length from 2.2 kilometers to 19 kilometers. Then there's the Eclipse class, which was 17.5 kilometers and had a mini Death Star gun on it.

The Destroyer part of the name does not actually indicate a destroyer class vessel. It comes from the fact that the idea behind them was for a single one with enough fire power to destroy a star system.

Add that all to the various super weapons like the Galaxy Gun, Death Star, Sun Crusher, World Devastators, etc., and the Jedi, Sith, and Republic vessels, and you have some pretty low odds for the Reapers

[Yes Im Biop]

The Destiny Ascension was small compared to Reaper Dread's who measure 2km in length, and Could take the fire power of 2 dread's before it's shield's even began to falter. Though the Ascension could probably gut any other Non reaper ship.

And the Imperial-I and Imperial-II class Star Destroyers, the most common types, are both 1,6000 meters in length, about 1 and a half kilometers. And there are much, much, much more of them then Reapers, and they're only considered mid-size in terms of Star Destroyers. There's mention of multi-kilometer Star Destroyers, and Super Star Destroyers range in length from 2.2 kilometers to 19 kilometers. Then there's the Eclipse class, which was 17.5 kilometers and had a mini Death Star gun on it.

The Destroyer part of the name does not actually indicate a destroyer class vessel. It comes from the fact that the idea behind them was for a single one with enough fire power to destroy a star system.

Add that all to the various super weapons like the Galaxy Gun, Death Star, Sun Crusher, World Devastators, etc., and the Jedi, Sith, and Republic vessels, and you have some pretty low odds for the Reapers

Correct, Though the Reaper's entire fighting style is based upon a Lethal first strike that completely fuck's any galactic control the Current government in power had. After they do that they Take the enemy out, Ship by ship, City by city, System by System. And are essentially fighting whatever force was there and need's no worries about a organized response. They go slow and hit hard.
...What would happen if we threw the flood into this Head to head. Then thing's get fun.

[Bone Fort]

The thing with that is, the Reapers were able to accomplish that because all the technology in ME was based off of them, so they were able to shut it down with ease. The Relay system the Citadel races depended on was a big trap.

Star Wars doesn't use any Mass Relay system thing that they could shut down and immobilize everything. There is no way for them to make that crippling strike to the Empire or Republic, hyperdrives don't work that way. The moment they make a strike, a massive counter force would descend upon them.

[Yes Im Biop]

The thing with that is, the Reapers were able to accomplish that because all the technology in ME was based off of them, so they were able to shut it down with ease. The Relay system the Citadel races depended on was a big trap.

Star Wars doesn't use any Mass Relay system thing that they could shut down and immobilize everything. There is no way for them to make that crippling strike to the Empire or Republic, hyperdrives don't work that way. The moment they make a strike, a massive counter force would descend upon them.

Which beg's the question, Which Galaxy would they be in? The War's one of the ME one? Because they would have a distinctive advantage in each. In ME the reaper's would be able to hit anywhere instantly and ghost away, In the War's the Empire would know where to hid and where to hit.

[Gauntleted Fist]

The thing with that is, the Reapers were able to accomplish that because all the technology in ME was based off of them, so they were able to shut it down with ease. The Relay system the Citadel races depended on was a big trap.

Star Wars doesn't use any Mass Relay system thing that they could shut down and immobilize everything. There is no way for them to make that crippling strike to the Empire or Republic, hyperdrives don't work that way. The moment they make a strike, a massive counter force would descend upon them.

Which is a huge advantage for the Empire, basically. The Reapers are entirely dependent upon shutting down the Mass Relays to prevent travel to stop the galaxy from rallying against them. Hyperdrives don't get "shut down" that way. The only thing that stops a hyperdrive from working is gravity.

And any ship that can create an artificial gravity field strong enough to stop hyperdrives can be outrun or destroyed. Let's not even go into just how ludicrously fast the standard hyperspace travel time is for hyperdrives of the Empire era. Not to mention the hypercom which provides near- instantaneous conversation from one side of the galaxy to the other. They even mount them on corvettes. How do you shut down that level of communication and mobility? You can't. it's impossible. So the Reapers biggest advantage against sentient races is nullified immediately.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Correct, Though the Reaper's entire fighting style is based upon a Lethal first strike that completely fuck's any galactic control the Current government in power had.

If the entire Reaper fleet attacked Coruscant they could wail on the planetary shields that are literally incomprehensibly stronger than starship shields which are already ludicrously strong for the next five thousand years and not penetrate them. This is just not a comparison that the Reapers can win. Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

[Yes Im Biop]

Correct, Though the Reaper's entire fighting style is based upon a Lethal first strike that completely fuck's any galactic control the Current government in power had.

If the entire Reaper fleet attacked Coruscant they could wail on the planetary shields that are literally incomprehensibly stronger than starship shields which are already ludicrously strong for the next five thousand years and not penetrate them. This is just not a comparison that the Reapers can win. Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

I'm thinking if they made a smaller ship go FTL And used it as a Missile (Which they can, Just don't) Would ether break the shield or hit it so hard that it ether forces the planet out of orbit, or make the shield ram into the planet. any way that it happen's catastrophe is bound to occur.

[Bone Fort]

Which beg's the question, Which Galaxy would they be in? The War's one of the ME one? Because they would have a distinctive advantage in each. In ME the reaper's would be able to hit anywhere instantly and ghost away, In the War's the Empire would know where to hid and where to hit.

It doesn't matter which galaxy they are in, the Empire and Republic could still move and strike effectively against the Reapers, even if it was in ME's galaxy with the Relay system shutdown. The Reapers simply don't stand a chance here.

[Gauntleted Fist]

If the entire Reaper fleet attacked Coruscant they could wail on the planetary shields that are literally incomprehensibly stronger than starship shields which are already ludicrously strong for the next five thousand years and not penetrate them. This is just not a comparison that the Reapers can win. Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

I'm thinking if they made a smaller ship go FTL And used it as a Missile (Which they can, Just don't) Would ether break the shield or hit it so hard that it ether forces the planet out of orbit, or make the shield ram into the planet. any way that it happen's catastrophe is bound to occur.

The ship would just be crushed. Planetary shields don't let anything through. They have to have holes opened in them to let ships through. They could hit it with multiple things travelling at FTL speeds all at the same point at the same time and it wouldn't have enough energy to noticeably dent the planetary shield.

I mean if they hit it with an asteroid the size of the moon maybe, but it's not like the Empire doesn't have shit that can blow up moons and planets all on its own.

[Reploid Productions]

Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

Thing is, they don't necessarily need that technological capability, nor to indoctrinate half the Empire. They just need to get a handful of well-placed individuals, and they can steal that tech at their leisure. Get a handful of people in the right positions in a bureaucracy that massive, and you can easily paralyze vast sections of its function.

Still a pretty even game as to which would ultimately prevail, but I just don't think you could write off either side as being completely thrashed with ease.

[The Empire of Ioannes]

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this so far, but the Yuuzhan Vong are actually a good example for this scenario. Outsiders with a massive advantage attack the galaxy etc. and the New Republic and Imperial Remnant eventually have to put aside their differences for the common good.
Interesting thing to note is that the whole point of Palpatine's evil scheming was to try to prepare the galaxy for the Vong's arrival. So in this scenario, the Empire's been preparing for the reapers for decades (while only the Emperor and one of his Grand Admirals know why). The Empire was a highly militarised society, essentially purpose-built to defeat the Vong (the Death Star project was a part of this), and I think this would translate well into combating a reaper invasion. Plus, I think an ISD outclasses most Mass Effect ships, and the Empire have hundreds of them, plus a handful of Supers

(Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare is where I got this, plus few other inferred references elsewhere)

[Bone Fort]

Thing is, they don't necessarily need that technological capability, nor to indoctrinate half the Empire. They just need to get a handful of well-placed individuals, and they can steal that tech at their leisure. Get a handful of people in the right positions in a bureaucracy that massive, and you can easily paralyze vast sections of its function.

Still a pretty even game as to which would ultimately prevail, but I just don't think you could write off either side as being completely thrashed with ease.

Even if they stole the technology, how would they produce it on a scale required to take on the Empire and Republic? They simply don't have the resources or means to do so.

[Strykla]

If the entire Reaper fleet attacked Coruscant they could wail on the planetary shields that are literally incomprehensibly stronger than starship shields which are already ludicrously strong for the next five thousand years and not penetrate them. This is just not a comparison that the Reapers can win. Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

I'm thinking if they made a smaller ship go FTL And used it as a Missile (Which they can, Just don't) Would ether break the shield or hit it so hard that it ether forces the planet out of orbit, or make the shield ram into the planet. any way that it happen's catastrophe is bound to occur.

Biop, I have no vendetta against you, but you clearly don't grasp physics as well as you think you do. You would need something of considerably more mass than any ship to make a planet budge an attometer.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Not even if they indoctrinate half the Empire. They just don't have the technological capability that the Star Wars universe has.

Thing is, they don't necessarily need that technological capability, nor to indoctrinate half the Empire. They just need to get a handful of well-placed individuals, and they can steal that tech at their leisure. Get a handful of people in the right positions in a bureaucracy that massive, and you can easily paralyze vast sections of its function.

Still a pretty even game as to which would ultimately prevail, but I just don't think you could write off either side as being completely thrashed with ease.

But that's why they have the Rebels. The Rebels know all about doing this, because they did it successfully. So they know how to counter it, because they know how it is approached. I also think you're underestimating just how ruthless the Empire would be.

"Somebody on Planet X is going to betray us to these Reaper fellows? Glass the planet to be sure." A single star destroyer can base delta zero a planet in a few hours. The Sun Crusher could do that on a system-wide scale by imploding the sun of the solar system in a few minutes. It doesn't really matter what the Reapers can do, because the Empire by itself is utterly more sick and evil and capable of acts of evil.

I really don't mean to fan wank here, but the Reapers are just not the right enemy to fight the Empire with Rebel support. The Rebels are good at everything the Empire is bad at, and the Empire is the massive juggernaut capable of smashing any combined Reaper assault in literally one move. Because numbers in Star Wars are literally beyond normal human comprehension. Reapers wipe out all life in the galaxy one solar system at a time very slowly. The Empire wipes out a planet or star systems in a few minutes when it wants to.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Plus, I think an ISD outclasses most Mass Effect ships, and the Empire have hundreds of them, plus a handful of Supers

Try twenty-five thousand.

[Yes Im Biop]

I'm thinking if they made a smaller ship go FTL And used it as a Missile (Which they can, Just don't) Would ether break the shield or hit it so hard that it ether forces the planet out of orbit, or make the shield ram into the planet. any way that it happen's catastrophe is bound to occur.

Biop, I have no vendetta against you, but you clearly don't grasp physics as well as you think you do. You would need something of considerably more mass than any ship to make a planet budge an attometer.

I'm just thinking something that has several kiloton's of mas, if not megaton's of mass moving at 180,000+ thousand miles per second would hit with an ungodly amount of force.

[Bone Fort]

I'm just thinking something that has several kiloton's of mas, if not megaton's of mass moving at 180,000+ thousand miles per second would hit with an ungodly amount of force.

1) It would be intercepted and destroyed well before it got even close to doing any damage.
2) Even if it made it, it's like throwing a pebble at a mountain, expect the mountain also has a forcefield capable of surviving nuclear and laser bombardment for decades nonstop and impact with other "mountains" moving at great speed. No matter how hard you throw that pebble, it will not accomplish anything.

[The Empire of Ioannes]

Biop, I have no vendetta against you, but you clearly don't grasp physics as well as you think you do. You would need something of considerably more mass than any ship to make a planet budge an attometer.

I'm just thinking something that has several kiloton's of mas, if not megaton's of mass moving at 180,000+ thousand miles per second would hit with an ungodly amount of force.

Yeah, but it's hitting a field of energy, there's not really anything for it to impart it's force into

[Yes Im Biop]

I'm just thinking something that has several kiloton's of mas, if not megaton's of mass moving at 180,000+ thousand miles per second would hit with an ungodly amount of force.

1) It would be intercepted and destroyed well before it got even close to doing any damage.
2) Even if it made it, it's like throwing a pebble at a mountain, expect the mountain also has a forcefield capable of surviving nuclear and laser bombardment for decades nonstop and impact with other "mountains" moving at great speed. No matter how hard you throw that pebble, it will not accomplish anything.

1: ... ...You do realize that's Light speed yes?
2: The asteroid that killed the Dino's was 2 miles wide, Moving a few thousand miles an hour, This is many many million's of time's more destructive.

I'm just thinking something that has several kiloton's of mas, if not megaton's of mass moving at 180,000+ thousand miles per second would hit with an ungodly amount of force.

Yeah, but it's hitting a field of energy, there's not really anything for it to impart it's force into

So then whatever hit;s it is melted, and then impact's going just as fast only now it's molten slag?
...What Kind of energy? Thermal, laser, gamma, Electricity, kinetic field's, gravity? There is a lot of energy in a lot of form's.