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[Gauntleted Fist]

The Emperor should have wiped them out when he had the chance but he didn't want to besiege Mars.

I prefer to think he realized the ensuing war would destroy humanity's chance of surviving. The Imperium can't stand without the Mars. Just like Mars can't stand without the Imperium.

[Dorlania]

Because the Imperium does not control the Mechanicus. They are allied, distinct empires from two entirely separate cultures of humanity. Would you give up all your secrets simply because you are closely allied with someone? Especially a fanatical anti-innovation theocratic state like the Imperium?


Of course not. They've already been burned by portions of the Imperium and the empire of Mars turning traitor. They obviously haven't forgotten that just yet.

The Emperor should have wiped them out when he had the chance but he didn't want to besiege Mars.

that would of ended the imperium pretty much

[Gauntleted Fist]

just imagine if the Dark Mechanicus got hold of the STC for a baneblade
oh lord

They already make their own Titans. Not sure why Baneblades are particularly more frightening.

[Volmachtia]

God The Mechanicus are so annoying they are holding the Imperium back from becoming what it once was.

Because the Imperium does not control the Mechanicus. They are allied, distinct empires from two entirely separate cultures of humanity. Would you give up all your secrets simply because you are closely allied with someone? Especially a fanatical anti-innovation theocratic state like the Imperium?

They have the STC for the baneblade sitting on Mars but they won't let any other forge world have it. The Imperium could be using baneblades instead of Leman Russes but noooooo The Mechanicus can't be bothered to give up this "holy" information. They have ton's of STC's sitting in there vaults but they won't let any one have them.

Of course not. They've already been burned by portions of the Imperium and the empire of Mars turning traitor. They obviously haven't forgotten that just yet.

Yeah, bunch of annoying assholes them, how many guard would be saved if they actually started kicking up their production and using the STC's instead of all the religious crap.

Much the same could be said of any Imperial force. "Religious crap" is precisely why they're in the abysmal situation that they're all in the first place.

To be honest, the whole Imperial faith kinda holds them together, and with daemons running around causing havoc it's difficult to deny.

[Death World Krieg]

The Emperor should have wiped them out when he had the chance but he didn't want to besiege Mars.

I prefer to think he realized the ensuing war would destroy humanity's chance of surviving. The Imperium can't stand without the Mars. Just like Mars can't stand without the Imperium.

I am reasonably sure the emperor could have defeated them. I mean he had legions of space marines that he created who's to say the the few inventions that The Mechanicus has come up with couldn't have been found out by someone else?

[Gauntleted Fist]

To be honest, the whole Imperial faith kinda holds them together, and with daemons running around causing havoc it's difficult to deny.

I meant the original 'religious crap', which was the Emperor trying to hide the existence of daemons and chaos gods from the Imperium with the Imperial Truth. Not the current version of it.

[Dorlania]

just imagine if the Dark Mechanicus got hold of the STC for a baneblade
oh lord

They already make their own Titans. Not sure why Baneblades are particularly more frightening.

eh, good point
besides Chaos forces all ready have Daemon Engines

[Volmachtia]

The Emperor should have wiped them out when he had the chance but he didn't want to besiege Mars.

I prefer to think he realized the ensuing war would destroy humanity's chance of surviving. The Imperium can't stand without the Mars. Just like Mars can't stand without the Imperium.

Not to mention that the Mechanicus, while much smaller than the Imperium, has all the Titans and most of the super-heavy tank production, massive armies of skitarii infantry and its own fleets. It'd be a grueling, lengthy bloodbath.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I am reasonably sure the emperor could have defeated them. I mean he had legions of space marines that he created who's to say the the few inventions that The Mechanicus has come up with couldn't have been found out by someone else?

Doesn't matter who wins in a war between the Imperium and the Mechanicus. The survivor will be quickly dismantled by the Orks, Tyranids, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Chaos forces, etc.

[Dorlania]

I prefer to think he realized the ensuing war would destroy humanity's chance of surviving. The Imperium can't stand without the Mars. Just like Mars can't stand without the Imperium.

I am reasonably sure the emperor could have defeated them. I mean he had legions of space marines that he created who's to say the the few inventions that The Mechanicus has come up with couldn't have been found out by someone else?

b/c the Mechanicus held a assload of long forgotten tech needed for further military actions

[Death World Krieg]

I prefer to think he realized the ensuing war would destroy humanity's chance of surviving. The Imperium can't stand without the Mars. Just like Mars can't stand without the Imperium.

Not to mention that the Mechanicus, while much smaller than the Imperium, has all the Titans and most of the super-heavy tank production, massive armies of skitarii infantry and its own fleets. It'd be a grueling, lengthy bloodbath.

Now it would be but I am talking before the Horus Heresy when the Imperium had massive armies and super heavies. Hell even the guard were rolling in style in their land raiders and the main battle tank was the baneblade.

[Volmachtia]

To be honest, the whole Imperial faith kinda holds them together, and with daemons running around causing havoc it's difficult to deny.

I meant the original 'religious crap', which was the Emperor trying to hide the existence of daemons and chaos gods from the Imperium with the Imperial Truth. Not the current version of it.

Ah. The context seemed rather unclear.
Plus the whole Imperial Truth thing didn't really stop Horus from going full Chaos.

and it definitely didn't help Lorgar

[Imperium Immortalis]

Ok I have a question that might seem silly, but I know absolutely nothing of the W40K, well a few small things like that they are super soldiers. So what are ultra marines afraid off?

[Volmachtia]

I am reasonably sure the emperor could have defeated them. I mean he had legions of space marines that he created who's to say the the few inventions that The Mechanicus has come up with couldn't have been found out by someone else?

b/c the Mechanicus held a assload of long forgotten tech needed for further military actions

They also built the Emperor's original crusade fleet.

[Death World Krieg]

Ok I have a question that might seem silly, but I know absolutely nothing of the W40K, well a few small things like that they are super soldiers. So what are ultra marines afraid off?

It's a rather long list lol. Lets go with anything not human.

[Dorlania]

b/c the Mechanicus held a assload of long forgotten tech needed for further military actions

They also built the Emperor's original crusade fleet.

yep
no mechanicus meant no Great Crusade

[Gauntleted Fist]

I meant the original 'religious crap', which was the Emperor trying to hide the existence of daemons and chaos gods from the Imperium with the Imperial Truth. Not the current version of it.

Ah. The context seemed rather unclear.
Plus the whole Imperial Truth thing didn't really stop Horus from going full Chaos.

and it definitely didn't help Lorgar

That's why it was crap.

[Volmachtia]

Ok I have a question that might seem silly, but I know absolutely nothing of the W40K, well a few small things like that they are super soldiers. So what are ultra marines afraid off?

Ultramarines are one of several "chapters" (kind of like a biker gang, lulz) of the Space Marines, the Imperium's super-soldiers. The Space Marines are supposed to be utterly undaunted, not necessarily unafraid, so that they can do the missions that no one else has the backbone for.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

*This thread has been sized by the Legion of the Damned*

[Imperium Immortalis]

Ultramarines are one of several "chapters" (kind of like a biker gang, lulz) of the Space Marines, supersoldiers that are the Imperium's super-soldiers. The Space Marines are supposed to be utterly undaunted, not necessarily unafraid, so that they can do the missions that no one else has the backbone for.

So which is the most elite of the elite "chapters"?

[Death World Krieg]

*This thread has been sized by the Legion of the Damned*

*Hundreds of lasguns turn at once to face the new target. Two Macharius Heavy tanks roll up* what was that?

[Death World Krieg]

Ultramarines are one of several "chapters" (kind of like a biker gang, lulz) of the Space Marines, supersoldiers that are the Imperium's super-soldiers. The Space Marines are supposed to be utterly undaunted, not necessarily unafraid, so that they can do the missions that no one else has the backbone for.

So which is the most elite of the elite "chapters"?

Grey Knights in my opinion if you consider them a space marine chapter....they are one of those things where they are but they aren't. If you get my meaning.

[Indeos]

Ah. The context seemed rather unclear.
Plus the whole Imperial Truth thing didn't really stop Horus from going full Chaos.

and it definitely didn't help Lorgar

That's why it was crap.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperia ... DVB5KNvkTY

Nothing about this mentions hiding the existence of Daemons; I don't think the Imperium had had much contact with them until near the end of the Great Crusade. If nothing else, it was better than the Lectitio Divinitatus that replaced it, because the whole point was to destroy religion and replace superstition with science.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Because of this guy.

*Disappears back into the warp*

[Indeos]

Ultramarines are one of several "chapters" (kind of like a biker gang, lulz) of the Space Marines, supersoldiers that are the Imperium's super-soldiers. The Space Marines are supposed to be utterly undaunted, not necessarily unafraid, so that they can do the missions that no one else has the backbone for.

So which is the most elite of the elite "chapters"?

The Grey Knights are definitely one of the best, but there really isn't a most elite. They tend to specialize in certain types of warfare, or in fighting certain enemies, but all of them are about equally effective.