The Warhammer 40,000 / (Fantasy) discussion thread.

[Nazis in Space]

My question to you, seeing these answers, is why Angron is an asshole. He isn't without fault, but he doesn't go to Perturabo or Mortarion levels.

Getting off on killing people?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Thought this was amusing:

[Samuraikoku]

Getting off on killing people?

He was made to. Remember his gladiatorial background and the aggression implants.

That's why I say he's a product of his environment that the Emperor neglected to correct.

[Wamitoria]

There's also the theory that he'll be resurrected by sacrificing various sensei to the golden throne.

That's not as radical as him becoming a Chaos God though.

Also, I wonder, what would happen if you gave an Ork clan a sphere and managed to convince them it was a singularity bomb that created a black hole?

They'd probably shoot you before you could explain it.

[Samuraikoku]

For me the whole blood and war lust he has is the main reason, sometimes you can get ab it too much into it, as well as his attitude, but yeah those guys are assholes as well, especially Perturabo, facking hate him.

The wiki I linked to is the reason why I believe it's not *entirely* his fault.

[Nazis in Space]

Getting off on killing people?

He was made to. Remember his gladiatorial background and the aggression implants.

That's why I say he's a product of his environment that the Emperor neglected to correct.

And? That doesn't change what he is. It explains it, but it doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

[The Huskar Social Union]

He was made to. Remember his gladiatorial background and the aggression implants.

That's why I say he's a product of his environment that the Emperor neglected to correct.

And? That doesn't change what he is. It explains it, but it doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

Essentially this.

[Old Erisia]

There's also the theory that he'll be resurrected by sacrificing various sensei to the golden throne.

That's not as radical as him becoming a Chaos God though.

Also, I wonder, what would happen if you gave an Ork clan a sphere and managed to convince them it was a singularity bomb that created a black hole?

More Orks would start calling for "MOAR BLACKA!" to deal with Necron/Imperial ships, and the destruction of all other races would be eminent.

I'd like to think if the Emp died, he would become another Chaos god. Like an actual one. Like of "Hopelessness" and/or "Despair" or something. Ten bucks says Matt Ward puts that one guy trapped in the Warp or a Smurf on the throne after the emperor dies.

And Malice is being ignored by GW. It's like they don't like him, but don't want to remove whatever units were introduced with him, so they just pretend he doesn't exist, despite him being canon.

[Samuraikoku]

And? That doesn't change what he is. It explains it, but it doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

My point is that Angron didn't really have another choice. Perturabo and Mortarion did. Lorgar and Magnus did too.

[Kouralia]

Okay, glorified tag.

1) Which Rule Book edition are we on? Is it the red one with the hammer and shield on it?
2) Is there another IG codex out now? I have the one which added the Valkyrie and death strikes (same edition as the red hammer/shield rule book).
3) I have models (it's complicated, but over the 2 years I collected Wh40K I never got round to playing a game - don't judge me ;-;), but have minimal playing experience. What should I do to get started?
4) Is two Leman Russes in a 500pts match considered rude?

[Tagmatium]

Okay, glorified tag.

1) Which Rule Book edition are we on? Is it the red one with the hammer and shield on it?

End of sixth, I believe.

4) Is two Leman Russes in a 500pts match considered rude?

You would look like a massive dick

[Kouralia]

Okay, glorified tag.

1) Which Rule Book edition are we on? Is it the red one with the hammer and shield on it?

End of sixth, I believe.

4) Is two Leman Russes in a 500pts match considered rude?

You would look like a massive dick

It would be like this.

Nah, I'd only do that in a competition. Only 1 LR in normal 500pt matches!

Also, should I wait for a while if they're about to bring out a new rule book?

[Tagmatium]

End of sixth, I believe.

You would look like a massive dick

It would be like this.

Nah, I'd only do that in a competition. Only 1 LR in normal 500pt matches!

Also, should I wait for a while if they're about to bring out a new rule book?

Oops, I'm working with old information.

The new one is out. It's the 6th Edition.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... od1620012a

The one I've got is the 5th Edition, which sounds like the one you've got as well.

[Kouralia]

It would be like this.

Nah, I'd only do that in a competition. Only 1 LR in normal 500pt matches!

Also, should I wait for a while if they're about to bring out a new rule book?

Oops, I'm working with old information.

The new one is out. It's the 6th Edition.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... od1620012a

The one I've got is the 5th Edition, which sounds like the one you've got as well.

I has dis one.



*sigh* More money to spend...

[Dorlania]

i have no rulebook ;~;
which acculy goes in my favor to a point, but w/e. i think were on the fifth IG codex

also lets discuss color schemes

[The Nuclear Fist]

And then there's the orks. I consider them our only hope. Not many people really stop to consider how powerful they are. They literally bend reality unconsciously. Also, while all the other races weaken from battles, the Orks just get stronger. They don't "shrink." When a Warboss dies, all the suped up Nobz and such scatter off elsewhere. The constant defeating of the Orks is just strengthening them as a whole. One day a new Gharkul Blackfang, Beast or Thraka will come about, pick up a branch, call it his "C'tan Beat Stick (thus making it one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe)," and turn the tide against the Necron (preferably after the Eye is closed).

Then it's an endless conflict between the swarm and Orks. Until the Nids figure out how to nom them, or the Hive becomes subservient to a Warboss the size of a planet.

This should be how 40,000 ends, if it ever does. With the Necrons destroyed and the shattered remnants of the Tyranids being driven from the galaxy by the living embodiment of Gork and Mork, with his army of Gharkul Blackfang-sized boys.

[Indeos]

And then there's the orks. I consider them our only hope. Not many people really stop to consider how powerful they are. They literally bend reality unconsciously. Also, while all the other races weaken from battles, the Orks just get stronger. They don't "shrink." When a Warboss dies, all the suped up Nobz and such scatter off elsewhere. The constant defeating of the Orks is just strengthening them as a whole. One day a new Gharkul Blackfang, Beast or Thraka will come about, pick up a branch, call it his "C'tan Beat Stick (thus making it one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe)," and turn the tide against the Necron (preferably after the Eye is closed).

Then it's an endless conflict between the swarm and Orks. Until the Nids figure out how to nom them, or the Hive becomes subservient to a Warboss the size of a planet.

This should be how 40,000 ends, if it ever does. With the Necrons destroyed and the shattered remnants of the Tyranids being driven from the galaxy by the living embodiment of Gork and Mork, with his army of Gharkul Blackfang-sized boys.

I think the Emperor becoming a Chaos God, creating a split in the Imperium between those who think he should still be worshiped and those who don't, while the Orks essentially steamroll everyone else would be better. The Emperor would definitely be too powerful to ever return to the Materium, but he'd probably end up the warp-deity of Order or something.

Did you ever finish your RP post?

[AETEN II]

And then there's the orks. I consider them our only hope. Not many people really stop to consider how powerful they are. They literally bend reality unconsciously. Also, while all the other races weaken from battles, the Orks just get stronger. They don't "shrink." When a Warboss dies, all the suped up Nobz and such scatter off elsewhere. The constant defeating of the Orks is just strengthening them as a whole. One day a new Gharkul Blackfang, Beast or Thraka will come about, pick up a branch, call it his "C'tan Beat Stick (thus making it one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe)," and turn the tide against the Necron (preferably after the Eye is closed).

Then it's an endless conflict between the swarm and Orks. Until the Nids figure out how to nom them, or the Hive becomes subservient to a Warboss the size of a planet.

This should be how 40,000 ends, if it ever does. With the Necrons destroyed and the shattered remnants of the Tyranids being driven from the galaxy by the living embodiment of Gork and Mork, with his army of Gharkul Blackfang-sized boys.

Inadvertently the Orks become the savior of the Milky Way? That' fulfill their role as comic relief, seeing that it also typically works like a Deus Ex.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I think the Emperor becoming a Chaos God, creating a split in the Imperium between those who think he should still be worshiped and those who don't, while the Orks essentially steamroll everyone else would be better. The Emperor would definitely be too powerful to ever return to the Materium, but he'd probably end up the warp-deity of Order or something.

Here is how I would like to see things end:

Emperor becomes the War God of Order, standing opposite the Chaos Gods as well as the Imperium. The Imperium itself is extremely corrupt and brutal beyond all measure and reason, which is not how he left it. I would like to think that half of the Imperium's and Chaos's forces would split and defect to the 'New Imperium' under the actual God-Emperor, whilst Chaos unites in a desperate struggle for survival. The remnants of the 'Old Imperium' will decree that the God Emperor died and that the God of Order is a usurper and a fraud, and his followers heretics. The Eldar now have the chance to recover, as Slaanesh and the other Chaos gods are far more concerned with the two Imperiums. However, they are only now beginning to pick up the pieces and are still occasionally harassed by the forces of Slaanesh, desperate for souls and recruits, as well as now being forced to tackle the much stronger Dark Eldar. The Necrons are trying to recover from the shattering blows dealt by a massive Ork WAAAGH, as well as Imperium and Eldar forces. The Tau are now increasing, their biggest threats having been broken up or destroyed. The Tyranids have been absolutely devastated, their major hive fleets having been funneled into fighting an Ork WAAAGH on Octarius that would eventually create a WAAAGH more powerful than they have ever seen. Although Genestealer cults and isolated splinter fleets are still a menace in some of the more heavily infested parts of the galaxy, and small tendrils have been known to attempt to invade again, they pose no similar threat than they did previously. The Orks are now one of the major threats to the galaxy, as no one force has the strength to put down the series of super-WAAAGHs that came out of the war with the Tyranids and Necrons.

Did you ever finish your RP post?

Have to rewrite it. Computer crashed and deleted my draft.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think we can all agree that the Imperium is screwed, it is fighting a losing war on all fronts basically, against the chaos forces of the warp, the eldar, tyranid hive fleets, necrons, orks, the throne failing and every thing else, its basically on its last legs, the only way i can see humanity surviving is if that reincarnation theory on the emperor is right, if so he can reunite humanity again from the ashes after he is reborn.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I think we can all agree that the Imperium is screwed, it is fighting a losing war on all fronts basically, against the chaos forces of the warp, the eldar, tyranid hive fleets, necrons, orks, the throne failing and every thing else, its basically on its last legs, the only way i can see humanity surviving is if that reincarnation theory on the emperor is right, if so he can reunite humanity again from the ashes after he is reborn.

Assuming that the Eldar do the smart thing and attempt to broker some sort of deal with the Imperium to prevent their extinction, they could bring him back.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think we can all agree that the Imperium is screwed, it is fighting a losing war on all fronts basically, against the chaos forces of the warp, the eldar, tyranid hive fleets, necrons, orks, the throne failing and every thing else, its basically on its last legs, the only way i can see humanity surviving is if that reincarnation theory on the emperor is right, if so he can reunite humanity again from the ashes after he is reborn.

Assuming that the Eldar do the smart thing and attempt to broker some sort of deal with the Imperium to prevent their extinction, they could bring him back.

And even then they are really too arrogant to do so, there is also the chance he could reincarnate like the old shamens who sacrificed themselves for him to be born, could he have not carried on that trait.

[Nazis in Space]

And then there's the orks. I consider them our only hope. Not many people really stop to consider how powerful they are. They literally bend reality unconsciously. Also, while all the other races weaken from battles, the Orks just get stronger. They don't "shrink." When a Warboss dies, all the suped up Nobz and such scatter off elsewhere. The constant defeating of the Orks is just strengthening them as a whole. One day a new Gharkul Blackfang, Beast or Thraka will come about, pick up a branch, call it his "C'tan Beat Stick (thus making it one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe)," and turn the tide against the Necron (preferably after the Eye is closed).

Then it's an endless conflict between the swarm and Orks. Until the Nids figure out how to nom them, or the Hive becomes subservient to a Warboss the size of a planet.

:p

This should be how 40,000 ends, if it ever does. With the Necrons destroyed and the shattered remnants of the Tyranids being driven from the galaxy by the living embodiment of Gork and Mork, with his army of Gharkul Blackfang-sized boys.

You're underestimating the scale of the Orks.

There's old fluff where the Imperium sent expeditionary fleets to other galaxies. They actually managed to arrive at their destination. They sent a message back.

It consisted of one word.

"Orks."

While the Imperium, the Eldar, the Chaos factions, Tau and so on are busy in a struggle for life and death in the Milky Way, they may believe that their wars matter. That they're truly gargantuan in scale, enhgulfing an entire galaxy in flames.

Little do they know that their conflicts are mere distractions in a far larger conflict, that the Milky Way is but one of many battlefields in the Virgo Supercluster. That their conflicts amount to little more than fleeting moments worth of localised police actions while out there, across thousands of galaxies, Tyranids and Orks are deciding the fate of a substantial fraction of the universe. That they are fighting over who gets to rule it all, not just a tiny, irrelevant little galaxy.

The conflict between Chaos and the Imperium is to the greater war that's happening out there as an argument between two elementary school kids on the playground is to world war two.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Snip.

I tend to reserve judgement on that, since we don't really know how Ork spores ended up on planets outside of the Milky Way. But assuming what you're saying is true, would that mean that the Tyranids are fleeing to the Milky Way in an attempt to escape the Orks?

[Wamitoria]

This should be how 40,000 ends, if it ever does. With the Necrons destroyed and the shattered remnants of the Tyranids being driven from the galaxy by the living embodiment of Gork and Mork, with his army of Gharkul Blackfang-sized boys.

You're underestimating the scale of the Orks.

There's old fluff where the Imperium sent expeditionary fleets to other galaxies. They actually managed to arrive at their destination. They sent a message back.

It consisted of one word.

"Orks."

While the Imperium, the Eldar, the Chaos factions, Tau and so on are busy in a struggle for life and death in the Milky Way, they may believe that their wars matter. That they're truly gargantuan in scale, enhgulfing an entire galaxy in flames.

Little do they know that their conflicts are mere distractions in a far larger conflict, that the Milky Way is but one of many battlefields in the Virgo Supercluster. That their conflicts amount to little more than fleeting moments worth of localised police actions while out there, across thousands of galaxies, Tyranids and Orks are deciding the fate of a substantial fraction of the universe. That they are fighting over who gets to rule it all, not just a tiny, irrelevant little galaxy.

The conflict between Chaos and the Imperium is to the greater war that's happening out there as an argument between two elementary school kids on the playground is to world war two.

I wouldn't be surprised if the things the Tyranids are running from are Orks.