The Warhammer 40,000 / (Fantasy) discussion thread.

[Old Erisia]

I'm not sure about Eldar-Imperium relations pre-Heresy, but an immediate betrayal seems grim-dark enough for 40k.

I think before that they just kinda fought because the Imperium was in the middle of the Great Crusade, but it wasn't like it is now. That would be uncharacteristic of the Emperor; at worst there would be a slight split in the Imperium over whether they should cooperate with the Eldar, which might lead to some violence against them, but the Emperor would be too busy repairing that and fighting real enemies to crush the Eldar.

I really think you are looking at this wrong. The Eldar are doomed. Slaanesh is immortal, and their soul stone things are limited in supply. Even if they hang on for next million years(against all odds, imo), eventually they will be SOL once the stone supply runs out. And once that happens, they can stop interfering with everyone else's shit, and let all the damn hummies die out .

And I think we need to examine some details of the Nids
1) Every fleet that has invaded has been much larger than the last
2) Until the last incursion, they always came from the same direction

What do those points mean? I think it means that the Nids are devouring the galaxies around our stalwart factions. That would mean that hive fleets would keep getting bigger, attacking more regularly, and come from any direction. Indefinitely. There would be no means of escape, besides abandoning the material plane for the Warp. And all it would take to end the Tau would be a fleet appearing in the wrong place.

I also think you are dismissing the Necrons too lightly. According to the fluff they are effectively immortal. Even if you destroy their physical bodies, a C'Tan can just snap his fingers and bring them back. As more and more awaken, they will just get stronger. I think they would eventually close the Eye, and screw over most of the other races.

And then there's the orks. I consider them our only hope. Not many people really stop to consider how powerful they are. They literally bend reality unconsciously. Also, while all the other races weaken from battles, the Orks just get stronger. They don't "shrink." When a Warboss dies, all the suped up Nobz and such scatter off elsewhere. The constant defeating of the Orks is just strengthening them as a whole. One day a new Gharkul Blackfang, Beast or Thraka will come about, pick up a branch, call it his "C'tan Beat Stick (thus making it one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe)," and turn the tide against the Necron (preferably after the Eye is closed).

Then it's an endless conflict between the swarm and Orks. Until the Nids figure out how to nom them, or the Hive becomes subservient to a Warboss the size of a planet.

[Trollgaard]

What a horrid picture you have! More men, more men! More fire power! The Imperium of Man will not fall to xeno filth! The galaxy will burn, and every man, woman, and child will die for the almighty emperor before such a fate occurs! The ending will be of such and end that it will echo throughout the universe! Mankind will not falter! Mankind will fight, and mankind will win! Damn the odds, damn the xenos, damn the mutants, and damn the witches! Mankind will triumph!

[Norstal]

The only way they would (conceivably) lose would be for the main bulk of the Tyranids to arrive at the exact same time... although really, they wouldn't often fight, because Necrons have no biomass to harvest, no more than Tyranids have individual feelings.

That would be amazing if Tyranids turned out to be the saving grace of the universe. By amazing I mean ironic because then the fleet would destroy everything.
Although I'd imagine that if all the C'tan were present, they'd prove to be a problem for the Tyranids.

Destroy everything. It's the only way to be sure.

So, way I see it, there's a giant shitstorm coming. The Necrons are awakening. The Emperor is gonna get cured. Tyranids have been doing what they've been doing since forever and do it even more.

Am I missing anything?

[Old Erisia]

That would be amazing if Tyranids turned out to be the saving grace of the universe. By amazing I mean ironic because then the fleet would destroy everything.
Although I'd imagine that if all the C'tan were present, they'd prove to be a problem for the Tyranids.

Destroy everything. It's the only way to be sure.

So, way I see it, there's a giant shitstorm coming. The Necrons are awakening. The Emperor is gonna get cured. Tyranids have been doing what they've been doing since forever and do it even more.

Am I missing anything?

I thought the Throne was weakening?

[North Calaveras]

Destroy everything. It's the only way to be sure.

So, way I see it, there's a giant shitstorm coming. The Necrons are awakening. The Emperor is gonna get cured. Tyranids have been doing what they've been doing since forever and do it even more.

Am I missing anything?

I thought the Throne was weakening?

What of the forces of warp?

[Gideus]

Destroy everything. It's the only way to be sure.

So, way I see it, there's a giant shitstorm coming. The Necrons are awakening. The Emperor is gonna get cured. Tyranids have been doing what they've been doing since forever and do it even more.

Am I missing anything?

I thought the Throne was weakening?

It is.

The Emperor will...
A. Die, dooming mankind and the universe.
B. Die, saving mankind and the universe.
C. Be reborn through the ronin/Illuminati/whateverbullshitthatis theory/arc
D. Be reborn through some other means.

[Old Erisia]

I thought the Throne was weakening?

What of the forces of warp?

Done for if the Necrons close the Eye, or a particularly large Hive Fleet gets near them.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I was reading about the Alpha Legion abit on the Lexicanum and the warhammer wiki, and from what i have seen about them, along with what i read about them in the Horus heresy series of books, it got me wondering, are the Alpha legion actually traitors like the other fallen legions or have they got their own agenda, because they didnt flee into the eye of terror after horus was defeated, and they have apparently never summoned daemons or activly fought alongside them, only appearing to help chaos cults occasionaly in a few instances.

[Samuraikoku]

I was reading about the Alpha Legion abit on the Lexicanum and the warhammer wiki, and from what i have seen about them, along with what i read about them in the Horus heresy series of books, it got me wondering, are the Alpha legion actually traitors like the other fallen legions or have they got their own agenda, because they didnt flee into the eye of terror after horus was defeated, and they have apparently never summoned daemons or activly fought alongside them, only appearing to help chaos cults occasionaly in a few instances.

Nobody actually knows. Which makes me wonder what their point is.

[Nazis in Space]

I was reading about the Alpha Legion abit on the Lexicanum and the warhammer wiki, and from what i have seen about them, along with what i read about them in the Horus heresy series of books, it got me wondering, are the Alpha legion actually traitors like the other fallen legions or have they got their own agenda, because they didnt flee into the eye of terror after horus was defeated, and they have apparently never summoned daemons or activly fought alongside them, only appearing to help chaos cults occasionaly in a few instances.

They're basically retards.

"Aliens who couldn#t foresee us capturing them and thus fell into our cunning trap, and whose spy we figured out as soon as he started working in our vicinity tell us that they've foreseen the end of the human species saving the galaxy? YEAH, WE'RE TOTALLY GOING TO BELIEVE THEM!'

Retards.

Even acknowledging that their primarch is one of very few not-asshole Primarchs, the point stands.

They're retards.

Old fluff was way superior.

[Norstal]

Destroy everything. It's the only way to be sure.

So, way I see it, there's a giant shitstorm coming. The Necrons are awakening. The Emperor is gonna get cured. Tyranids have been doing what they've been doing since forever and do it even more.

Am I missing anything?

I thought the Throne was weakening?

He's dying, but someone mentioned there's a cure for him.

[Temacht]

Ideologically, I favor the Tau even if /tg/ thinks they're out of place in a 40k universe. Militarily, I tend to prefer the Space Marines such as the Grey Knights and Dark Angels, sometimes Chaos with anything Tzeentchian or the iron Warriors, or the Necrons and yes, I liked them before Matt Ward wrote their Codices(Grey Knights and Necrons).

I thought the Throne was weakening?

He's dying, but someone mentioned there's a cure for him.

I forgot where I got it, but I liked the idea that the Emperor dies, becomes a "Chaos" god, and takes over the warp due to his mass of worshipers.

[Samuraikoku]

Even acknowledging that their primarch is one of very few not-asshole Primarchs, the point stands.

Who would you say are not-assholes?

[AETEN II]

Ideologically, I favor the Tau even if /tg/ thinks they're out of place in a 40k universe. Militarily, I tend to prefer the Space Marines such as the Grey Knights and Dark Angels, sometimes Chaos with anything Tzeentchian or the iron Warriors, or the Necrons and yes, I liked them before Matt Ward wrote their Codices(Grey Knights and Necrons).

He's dying, but someone mentioned there's a cure for him.

I forgot where I got it, but I liked the idea that the Emperor dies, becomes a "Chaos" god, and takes over the warp due to his mass of worshipers.

Here lies Hol E. Shit- died due to being blown away by this statement.

If he became a chaos god, he'd destroy everything and steamroll every damned Necron and Tyranid in the universe. He has trillions of trillions of followers, which would give him crazy powers.

Also, I really wish that they would do something with Malal/Malice, if I do start making my own Warhammer group, I'd happily pick Chaos if they expanded upon Malice.

[Wamitoria]

Ideologically, I favor the Tau even if /tg/ thinks they're out of place in a 40k universe. Militarily, I tend to prefer the Space Marines such as the Grey Knights and Dark Angels, sometimes Chaos with anything Tzeentchian or the iron Warriors, or the Necrons and yes, I liked them before Matt Ward wrote their Codices(Grey Knights and Necrons).



I forgot where I got it, but I liked the idea that the Emperor dies, becomes a "Chaos" god, and takes over the warp due to his mass of worshipers.

Here lies Hol E. Shit- died due to being blown away by this statement.

If he became a chaos god, he'd destroy everything and steamroll every damned Necron and Tyranid in the universe. He has trillions of trillions of followers, which would give him crazy powers.

Also, I really wish that they would do something with Malal/Malice, if I do start making my own Warhammer group, I'd happily pick Chaos if they expanded upon Malice.

There's also the theory that he'll be resurrected by sacrificing various sensei to the golden throne.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Even acknowledging that their primarch is one of very few not-asshole Primarchs, the point stands.

Who would you say are not-assholes?

Dont know who he thinks are assholes and who isnt but this is what i think of them:

Horus: Awesome until the whole heresy thing, then a major asshole.
Lion El'Jonson: Not an asshole, well mostly not an asshole.
Lorgar: Self Righteous Asshole who needs slapped.
Fulgrim:Bit of a Perfectionist asshole and an idiot.
Rogal Dorn: Bit of an asshole but just awesome.
Sanguinius: Not an asshole.
Magnus the Red:Wouldnt leave the warp well enough alone and thought he had bested the dark gods, Ignorant asshole.
Roboute Guilliman: Bit of a stuck up asshole but mostly alright.
Angron: Names says enough. Total asshole.
Ferrus Manus: Not an asshole, just fantastic.
Mortarion: Creepy ignorant asshole.
Leman Russ: Cool and badass but still an asshole.
Konrad Curze: Another Creepy asshole.
Perturabo: Asshole, Just because.
Alpharius/Omegon: Strange but not assholes
Vulkan:Awesome and not an a shole.
Jaghatai Khan: Awesome and not an asshole.
Corvus Corax:Meh, not an asshole just a bit annoying.

[Nazis in Space]

Even acknowledging that their primarch is one of very few not-asshole Primarchs, the point stands.

Who would you say are not-assholes?

Confirmed not-assholes (Pre-Heresy) are Magnus, Mortarion, Horus & Alpharius.

Confirmed assholes are Lion El'Johnson, Fulgrim, Leman Russ, Ferrus Manus, Rogal Dorn and Angron.

Okay. 'Very Few' may be false.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Who would you say are not-assholes?

Confirmed not-assholes (Pre-Heresy) are Magnus, Mortarion, Horus & Alpharius.

Confirmed assholes are Lion El'Johnson, Fulgrim, Leman Russ, Ferrus Manus, Rogal Dorn and Angron.

Horus is somewhere in between.

Okay. 'Very Few' may be false.

Why do you think ferrus manus is an asshole? ill give you the rest of the ones you listed as assholes.

[AETEN II]

Here lies Hol E. Shit- died due to being blown away by this statement.

If he became a chaos god, he'd destroy everything and steamroll every damned Necron and Tyranid in the universe. He has trillions of trillions of followers, which would give him crazy powers.

Also, I really wish that they would do something with Malal/Malice, if I do start making my own Warhammer group, I'd happily pick Chaos if they expanded upon Malice.

There's also the theory that he'll be resurrected by sacrificing various sensei to the golden throne.

That's not as radical as him becoming a Chaos God though.

Also, I wonder, what would happen if you gave an Ork clan a sphere and managed to convince them it was a singularity bomb that created a black hole?

[Samuraikoku]

Who would you say are not-assholes?

Confirmed not-assholes (Pre-Heresy) are Magnus, Mortarion, Horus & Alpharius.

Confirmed assholes are Lion El'Johnson, Fulgrim, Leman Russ, Ferrus Manus, Rogal Dorn and Angron.

Horus is somewhere in between.

Okay. 'Very Few' may be false.

What about all the others?

Horus: Egotistical and cocky.
Lion El'Jonson: Rather self-righteous.
Lorgar: Ignorant dumbass preacher.
Fulgrim: Self-righteous asshole.
Rogal Dorn: Good guy.
Sanguinius: Good guy.
Magnus the Red: Dumbass.
Roboute Guilliman: Good guy albeit cowardly (Reformation of the Legions into Chapters).
Angron: I don't find Angron an asshole. He's a product of his environment, that the Emperor did nothing to correct.
Ferrus Manus: Good guy.
Mortarion: Petty (he betrayed the Emperor because the latter killed the necromancer he wanted to kill).
Leman Russ: Good guy, but insanely cocky.
Konrad Curze: Batman wannabe.
Perturabo: Arguably the worse asshole of all.
Alpharius/Omegon: I don't believe he/they have an idea of what they're doing.
Vulkan: Nicest guy of all.
Jaghatai Khan: Arguably one of the best.
Corvus Corax: What Konrad Curze wishes he was.

[Nazis in Space]

Confirmed not-assholes (Pre-Heresy) are Magnus, Mortarion, Horus & Alpharius.

Confirmed assholes are Lion El'Johnson, Fulgrim, Leman Russ, Ferrus Manus, Rogal Dorn and Angron.

Horus is somewhere in between.

Okay. 'Very Few' may be false.

What about all the others? :p

I had a 'Not enough information about the others' line somewhere in there, but it must've become collateral damage during one of the edits.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Anyone know what GW did to the two missing legions? I heard, that Corax or someone asked the Emperor, where they were and he got sad and said."That is a talk for another day."

[The Huskar Social Union]

Anyone know what GW did to the two missing legions? I heard, that Corax or someone asked the Emperor, where they were and he got sad and said."That is a talk for another day."

I dont know, they have never said anything about them, or the two missing primarchs bar some rumours in the lore about them, that they tried to rebel before the Horus heresy and were destroyed by the space wolves( when they attacked Prospero to kill the thousand sons there was talk that they had been used for that type of thing before) or that they just dissapeared and are still out there somewhere. Because on Terra in the Imperial Palance, the statues of the traitor primarchs were simply covered over, the two missing primarchs statues were taken away as they had definitely been found during the crusade, all of the primarchs were so it must have happened during the crusade, what ever it was.

[Samuraikoku]

My question to you, seeing these answers, is why Angron is an asshole. He isn't without fault, but he doesn't go to Perturabo or Mortarion levels.

[The Huskar Social Union]

My question to you, seeing these answers, is why Angron is an asshole. He isn't without fault, but he doesn't go to Perturabo or Mortarion levels.

For me the whole blood and war lust he has is the main reason, sometimes you can get ab it too much into it, as well as his attitude, but yeah those guys are assholes as well, especially Perturabo, facking hate him.