The Warhammer 40,000 / (Fantasy) discussion thread.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Tabletop-wise, I imagine that they would be a poor man's Grey Knights, what with their bolter-halberds instead of force weapon and stormbolter, and lack of psychic powers.

Is the emperor a playable force on table top?

I imagine he wouldn't be unless it was 30k.

Speaking of which, I think I'd really want to play the SM Legions, but dem prices... It's bad enough I can't afford GW, but FW?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Is the emperor a playable force on table top?

I imagine he wouldn't be unless it was 30k.

Speaking of which, I think I'd really want to play the SM Legions, but dem prices... It's bad enough I can't afford GW, but FW?

Real men play Warhammer 50k.

[Themiclesia]

I imagine he wouldn't be unless it was 30k.

Speaking of which, I think I'd really want to play the SM Legions, but dem prices... It's bad enough I can't afford GW, but FW?

Real men play Warhammer 50k.

What happened in 50k?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I imagine he wouldn't be unless it was 30k.

Speaking of which, I think I'd really want to play the SM Legions, but dem prices... It's bad enough I can't afford GW, but FW?

Real men play Warhammer 50k.

Sorry, but I like my powered armor, lascannons, land raiders, land speeders, dreadnoughts, and soul.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Real men play Warhammer 50k.

What happened in 50k?

The universe is fucked completely.

[Atelia]

They are the emperors chosen guard, the best of the best, charged with the defense of the one man who, should he die, would plunge the imperium into chaos. They have been known to beat the shit outta terminators unarmed, and are quite possibly made from the Emperors Gene-Seed

In short, yes, anyone who says otherwise is a heretic

Tabletop-wise, I imagine that they would be a poor man's Grey Knights, what with their bolter-halberds instead of force weapon and stormbolter, and lack of psychic powers.

Non sense. They would probably be scarily more powerful Grey knights. I mean think about it. Skimmer rhinos, jet bikes, a solid 4++ or 3++ save on the basic grunt, and while they lack standard psyker abilities they most likely have some form of "holy" power giving to them something like a blinding light or some Shizz like that. Oh and 5 toughness and strength to go with your 5 weapon and ballistic skill is mighty nice.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Tabletop-wise, I imagine that they would be a poor man's Grey Knights, what with their bolter-halberds instead of force weapon and stormbolter, and lack of psychic powers.

Non sense. They would probably be scarily more powerful Grey knights. I mean think about it. Skimmer rhinos, jet bikes, a solid 4++ or 3++ save on the basic grunt, and while they lack standard psyker abilities they most likely have some form of "holy" power giving to them something like a blinding light or some Shizz like that. Oh and 5 toughness and strength to go with your 5 weapon and ballistic skill is mighty nice.

I doubt it. If the Eldar and Tau are to be believed, skimmer APCs and jetbikes aren't too scary, and I don't see how there's a ++ on the average grunt. I also doubt the holy power part. The Stats you give are way too high, or otherwise we'd have to adjust the Space Marines and Grey Knights to match their own fluff accordingly.

[Warpspace]

They are the emperors chosen guard, the best of the best, charged with the defense of the one man who, should he die, would plunge the imperium into chaos. They have been known to beat the shit outta terminators unarmed, and are quite possibly made from the Emperors Gene-Seed

In short, yes, anyone who says otherwise is a heretic

Tabletop-wise, I imagine that they would be a poor man's Grey Knights, what with their bolter-halberds instead of force weapon and stormbolter, and lack of psychic powers.

Custodes once threw a Predator- in the HH novels IIRC. They'd be a lot better than Grey Knights on the table. Lack of Psyker powers, but stupidly effective in the melee department.

Standard guardsmen?

I don't think humanity would have changed much. The Astartes and the Mechanicus are probably the only grand exceptions.

But human body height is on an upward trend, viz. compared to the original home erectus we are quite tall, averaging 5' 7". If this continues for another 38,000 years, I'm sure humans will be taller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkzQxw16G9w

[Atelia]

Non sense. They would probably be scarily more powerful Grey knights. I mean think about it. Skimmer rhinos, jet bikes, a solid 4++ or 3++ save on the basic grunt, and while they lack standard psyker abilities they most likely have some form of "holy" power giving to them something like a blinding light or some Shizz like that. Oh and 5 toughness and strength to go with your 5 weapon and ballistic skill is mighty nice.

I doubt it. If the Eldar and Tau are to be believed, skimmer APCs and jetbikes aren't too scary, and I don't see how there's a ++ on the average grunt. I also doubt the holy power part. The Stats you give are way too high, or otherwise we'd have to adjust the Space Marines and Grey Knights to match their own fluff accordingly.

Yeah jet bikes from the eldar may not be that scary but have you ever gone against a white scars army? Imagine that force being even faster with added custodis abilities and you have murder machines.
If regular joe guard officers can get a 5++ i don't think its outrageous to say that the Imperial palace's defenders can get themselves a 4++.
Well maybe not a holy power which has direct influence but some form of intimidation inspiring aurora seems to make sense.
Those stats aren't OP Custodis are OP, i mean they aren't just marines who guard the palace of the emperor they are special, being clearly stated as bigger and stronger then your regular marines combine this with their longevity and all the time they have to train giving them 5 WS, 5 BS, 5 S, and 5 T seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I doubt it. If the Eldar and Tau are to be believed, skimmer APCs and jetbikes aren't too scary, and I don't see how there's a ++ on the average grunt. I also doubt the holy power part. The Stats you give are way too high, or otherwise we'd have to adjust the Space Marines and Grey Knights to match their own fluff accordingly.

Yeah jet bikes from the eldar may not be that scary but have you ever gone against a white scars army? Imagine that force being even faster with added custodis abilities and you have murder machines.
If regular joe guard officers can get a 5++ i don't think its outrageous to say that the Imperial palace's defenders can get themselves a 4++.
Well maybe not a holy power which has direct influence but some form of intimidation inspiring aurora seems to make sense.
Those stats aren't OP Custodis are OP, i mean they aren't just marines who guard the palace of the emperor they are special, being clearly stated as bigger and stronger then your regular marines combine this with their longevity and all the time they have to train

I doubt they merit that big a boost. A special rule, maybe, but not that big a boost.

giving them 5 WS, 5 BS, 5 S, and 5 T seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I thought you said that was OP.

[Atelia]

Yeah jet bikes from the eldar may not be that scary but have you ever gone against a white scars army? Imagine that force being even faster with added custodis abilities and you have murder machines.
If regular joe guard officers can get a 5++ i don't think its outrageous to say that the Imperial palace's defenders can get themselves a 4++.
Well maybe not a holy power which has direct influence but some form of intimidation inspiring aurora seems to make sense.
Those stats aren't OP Custodis are OP, i mean they aren't just marines who guard the palace of the emperor they are special, being clearly stated as bigger and stronger then your regular marines combine this with their longevity and all the time they have to train

I doubt they merit that big a boost. A special rule, maybe, but not that big a boost.

giving them 5 WS, 5 BS, 5 S, and 5 T seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I thought you said that was OP.

What?
Any ways i guess we will just have to agree to disagree. As the best grunts (within their force respectably) in the galaxy i think that having them one up the regular marines at everything seems to be perfect. However if you believe that the Custodis are barely more then marines with a special job then so be it there is more then enough against that, that clearly their is no point in me trying to argue it to you.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I doubt they merit that big a boost. A special rule, maybe, but not that big a boost.

I thought you said that was OP.

What?
Any ways i guess we will just have to agree to disagree. As the best grunts (within their force respectably) in the galaxy i think that having them one up the regular marines at everything seems to be perfect. However if you believe that the Custodis are barely more then marines with a special job then so be it there is more then enough against that, that clearly their is no point in me trying to argue it to you.

I'm not saying Custodes are barely more than marines, I'm just saying that it doesn't merit a drastic increase in stats. The grey knights didn't need a huge boost, did they? And lets not forget how just fifty conscripts cannot bury marines in dakka in crunch, whereas a single company can wipe out a regiment of Guardsmen in fluff.

[Atelia]

What?
Any ways i guess we will just have to agree to disagree. As the best grunts (within their force respectably) in the galaxy i think that having them one up the regular marines at everything seems to be perfect. However if you believe that the Custodis are barely more then marines with a special job then so be it there is more then enough against that, that clearly their is no point in me trying to argue it to you.

I'm not saying Custodes are barely more than marines, I'm just saying that it doesn't merit a drastic increase in stats. The grey knights didn't need a huge boost, did they? And lets not forget how just fifty conscripts cannot bury marines in dakka in crunch, whereas a single company can wipe out a regiment of Guardsmen in fluff.

Custodian Tactical Squad
WS:5 BS:5 S:4 T:4 W:2 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:2+5++
Frag and krak, Artificer armor, CCW, bolt pistol, 36" bolter with special ammo.
Feel no pain, eternal warriors, counter attack, fearless, relentless, get a 4+ deny the witch.
Thats a custodian... 50 points a pop.

Also that hover rhino which you said is nothing special has a 14 armor all around from shooting attacks energy shield.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'm not saying Custodes are barely more than marines, I'm just saying that it doesn't merit a drastic increase in stats. The grey knights didn't need a huge boost, did they? And lets not forget how just fifty conscripts cannot bury marines in dakka in crunch, whereas a single company can wipe out a regiment of Guardsmen in fluff.

Custodian Tactical Squad
WS:5 BS:5 S:4 T:4 W:2 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:2+5++
Frag and krak, Artificer armor, CCW, bolt pistol, 36" bolter with special ammo.
Feel no pain, eternal warriors, counter attack, fearless, relentless, get a 4+ deny the witch.
Thats a custodian... 50 points a pop.

Also that hover rhino which you said is nothing special has a 14 armor all around from shooting attacks energy shield.

You're blatantly just trying to make them OP.

Custodian Squad
WS:4 BS:4 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+
Powered armor, Guardian Spear(Assault 1 Bolter/CCW)
counter attack, fearless, and relentless

Also, the grav-rhino is a rhino that floats, not a land raider that floats. Still has the same armor as a rhino.

[Atelia]

Custodian Tactical Squad
WS:5 BS:5 S:4 T:4 W:2 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:2+5++
Frag and krak, Artificer armor, CCW, bolt pistol, 36" bolter with special ammo.
Feel no pain, eternal warriors, counter attack, fearless, relentless, get a 4+ deny the witch.
Thats a custodian... 50 points a pop.

Also that hover rhino which you said is nothing special has a 14 armor all around from shooting attacks energy shield.

You're blatantly just trying to make them OP.

Custodian Squad
WS:4 BS:4 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+
Powered armor, Guardian Spear(Assault 1 Bolter/CCW)
counter attack, fearless, and relentless

Also, the grav-rhino is a rhino that floats, not a land raider that floats. Still has the same armor as a rhino.

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You're blatantly just trying to make them OP.

Custodian Squad
WS:4 BS:4 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+
Powered armor, Guardian Spear(Assault 1 Bolter/CCW)
counter attack, fearless, and relentless

Also, the grav-rhino is a rhino that floats, not a land raider that floats. Still has the same armor as a rhino.

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

What fandex?

[The Blazing Aura]

You're blatantly just trying to make them OP.

Custodian Squad
WS:4 BS:4 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:5 A:2 Ld:10 Sv:3+
Powered armor, Guardian Spear(Assault 1 Bolter/CCW)
counter attack, fearless, and relentless

Also, the grav-rhino is a rhino that floats, not a land raider that floats. Still has the same armor as a rhino.

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

Besides the fact that the only Jetbikes in the Imperium are held by the Unforgiven Chapters???

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

Besides the fact that the only Jetbikes in the Imperium are held by the Unforgiven Chapters???

It's rumored that the Custodes have jetbikes.

[The Blazing Aura]

Besides the fact that the only Jetbikes in the Imperium are held by the Unforgiven Chapters???

It's rumored that the Custodes have jetbikes.

well they're going to have to edit pretty much every Dark Angels codex if that happens to be true.

[Atelia]

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

Besides the fact that the only Jetbikes in the Imperium are held by the Unforgiven Chapters???

Nah its been shown that the Adeptus Custodes still have a few to be used by their praetorian knights.

Oi' i didnt write that! Thats just the fandex made for them. And your right the rhino isnt a land raider its a floating rhino utilizing the advanced energy shields of an age long past still secure in the vaults of holy Terra alongside the jet bike.

What fandex?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47497553/CODE ... ODES-FINAL

[The Blazing Aura]

Besides the fact that the only Jetbikes in the Imperium are held by the Unforgiven Chapters???

Nah its been shown that the Adeptus Custodes still have a few to be used by their praetorian knights.

oh really? where exactly is this?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Oh, what is this shit? It's calling the companions sentinels!

[Atelia]

Oh, what is this shit? It's calling the companions sentinels!

The Companions are the guards of the Emperor they are not all the same troops. The sentinels and Kataphracts together form the companions.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Oh, what is this shit? It's calling the companions sentinels!

The Companions are the guards of the Emperor they are not all the same troops. The sentinels and Kataphracts together form the companions.

Where does it say that? As in, where in canon?

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

New GW non-executive director.

http://www.cfoworld.co.uk/news/financia ... -workshop/