The Warhammer 40,000 / (Fantasy) discussion thread.

[Indeos]

Im comparing your basic guardsmen with your basic terran marine, the basic infantry men of both the factions, and in equal numbers.

In other words, you're completely disregarding tactics because there's no other way you're right. The Guard as a whole outnumbers the Terran military by far, far more than enough to annihilate them.

[Zepplin Manufacturers]

Ehem.

Gentle beings to the Emperor, the Navis Nobilite and the Imperial Navy.

I have one word for you. Exterminatus.

Starcraft deep spacers are comparatively slow in FTL terms and nowhere near as robust or heavily armed.

[North Calaveras]

Im comparing your basic guardsmen with your basic terran marine, the basic infantry men of both the factions, and in equal numbers.

In other words, you're completely disregarding tactics because there's no other way you're right. The Guard as a whole outnumbers the Terran military by far, far more than enough to annihilate them.

Okay so your saying the Guard will only attack when they have overwhelming numbers? Keep in mind your facing a Terran Dominion population of equal numbers to that of the Imperium(to keep things fair)

[Mini Miehm]

Look, I like Starcraft too. I really do. Its what I've based my nation on in fact, but there's not question that the Adeptus Astartes are simply in every way superior to a Terran Marine. Attempting to engage them with nothing but Marines would be a very bad plan, since a boltgun round would tear through their armor like so much foil.

Some guard units fo have NBC protection. And the C-14 isn't that good. Neither is the lasgun. The biggest worry you have when facing Guard is their heavy weapons teams, which can mow down Marines with relative impunity.

And I like 40k as well but I don't act like there universe can demolish everything in there path because they can't.

I already agreed Astartes are better than terran marines(but not by a ton)

C-14 is much more deadly than a las-gun, though the las-gun itself is very impressive for something to be carried by a normal human. Heavy weapons? If your bringing in specialized infantry instead of a grunt war then what's to stop Terrans from using Ghosts, Marauders, Firebats.

Im comparing your basic guardsmen with your basic terran marine, the basic infantry men of both the factions, and in equal numbers.

The problem with that comparison is, my "basic guardsman" includes heavy weapons teams. Your basic marine, doesn't. THIS is why the Guard will win.

[Fontoria]

I don't actully play the game itsel just yet, and I paint figures of all factions. My favourates are the elder, and I'm best at the dark elder.

Someone should make a warhammer 40k region!

[Indeos]

In other words, you're completely disregarding tactics because there's no other way you're right. The Guard as a whole outnumbers the Terran military by far, far more than enough to annihilate them.

Okay so your saying the Guard will only attack when they have overwhelming numbers? Keep in mind your facing a Terran Dominion population of equal numbers to that of the Imperium(to keep things fair)

"Keeping things fair" means throwing out any part of canon that means you're wrong. There's no such thing as a fair fight.

[North Calaveras]

And I like 40k as well but I don't act like there universe can demolish everything in there path because they can't.

I already agreed Astartes are better than terran marines(but not by a ton)

C-14 is much more deadly than a las-gun, though the las-gun itself is very impressive for something to be carried by a normal human. Heavy weapons? If your bringing in specialized infantry instead of a grunt war then what's to stop Terrans from using Ghosts, Marauders, Firebats.

Im comparing your basic guardsmen with your basic terran marine, the basic infantry men of both the factions, and in equal numbers.

The problem with that comparison is, my "basic guardsman" includes heavy weapons teams. Your basic marine, doesn't. THIS is why the Guard will win.

Not if the basic Terran Marine has a rifle that's equal to a heavy weapon team by itself(and can be fired currently), and you have to include the fire bats and marauders as well then since there including in infantry formations.

basically a Terran marine can lay down suppressive fire equal to that of a guards weapons team by himself.

[Mini Miehm]

In other words, you're completely disregarding tactics because there's no other way you're right. The Guard as a whole outnumbers the Terran military by far, far more than enough to annihilate them.

Okay so your saying the Guard will only attack when they have overwhelming numbers? Keep in mind your facing a Terran Dominion population of equal numbers to that of the Imperium(to keep things fair)

Thats fine. Because if we count the entire militaries, even if you give the Terrans equivalent numbers, Imperial Armour is going to show its worth, and methodically slaughter Terran vehicles and infantry in job lots.

[North Calaveras]

Okay so your saying the Guard will only attack when they have overwhelming numbers? Keep in mind your facing a Terran Dominion population of equal numbers to that of the Imperium(to keep things fair)

"Keeping things fair" means throwing out any part of canon that means you're wrong. There's no such thing as a fair fight.

So I say guardsmen vs terran marine and you go " Lol I bring the entire Imperial guard!

[Samuraikoku]

Warmachine, Gears of War, and Starcraft are all far superior to Warhammer 40K. As they say, the Emperor bro-tects.

BURN, HERETIC!

[Mini Miehm]

The problem with that comparison is, my "basic guardsman" includes heavy weapons teams. Your basic marine, doesn't. THIS is why the Guard will win.

Not if the basic Terran Marine has a rifle that's equal to a heavy weapon team by itself(and can be fired currently), and you have to include the fire bats and marauders as well then since there including in infantry formations.

basically a Terran marine can lay down suppressive fire equal to that of a guards weapons team by himself.

Except gauss rifles can't do that, since they're limited to burst fire. Yay for reading the fluff. And a guard heavy weapons team includes some pretty serious hardware, potentially.

[North Calaveras]

Okay so your saying the Guard will only attack when they have overwhelming numbers? Keep in mind your facing a Terran Dominion population of equal numbers to that of the Imperium(to keep things fair)

Thats fine. Because if we count the entire militaries, even if you give the Terrans equivalent numbers, Imperial Armour is going to show its worth, and methodically slaughter Terran vehicles and infantry in job lots.

Actually Terran manufacturing power rape stomps the Imperium, the only reason the Imperium is even able to build such numbers is because of it's population, and most of there ground vehicles are slow as fuck as well. Not to mention that technology is hard to duplicate in the Imperium.

[North Calaveras]

Not if the basic Terran Marine has a rifle that's equal to a heavy weapon team by itself(and can be fired currently), and you have to include the fire bats and marauders as well then since there including in infantry formations.

basically a Terran marine can lay down suppressive fire equal to that of a guards weapons team by himself.

Except gauss rifles can't do that, since they're limited to burst fire. Yay for reading the fluff. And a guard heavy weapons team includes some pretty serious hardware, potentially.

Burst fire can be suppressive as well, all the marine has to do is squeeze the trigger a little faster, it's definatly going to be fast enough.

[Kouralia]

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

I will point out that the guard is an extremely diverse force. If you were to face one of the guardsmen from the 1st Bn, 15th Helenaian Rifles then you would face MBTs firing from 280mm or so guns, artillery and rockets, melta weapons in every squad, mortars, las cannons, auto-cannons, a super-fucking-huge missile which is capable of firing from stupidly far away, and possibly even a massive walker lobbing things close to tactical nuclear weapons out of a multi-rocket pod.

Oh, but they'd bring the entire regiment along, and another of the Cadian 101st, Vostroyan 45th, Serubinian 1981st and maybe some Elysian 63rd and... Need I go on?

[AETEN II]

Thats fine. Because if we count the entire militaries, even if you give the Terrans equivalent numbers, Imperial Armour is going to show its worth, and methodically slaughter Terran vehicles and infantry in job lots.

Actually Terran manufacturing power rape stomps the Imperium, the only reason the Imperium is even able to build such numbers is because of it's population, and most of there ground vehicles are slow as fuck as well. Not to mention that technology is hard to duplicate in the Imperium.

I do have to agree with this. In a drawn-out war, the Terrans would be able to outlast the Imperium due to better manufacturing and I believe they also have cloning tech if things got tight.

[Dorlania]

Warmachine, Gears of War, and Starcraft are all far superior to Warhammer 40K. As they say, the Emperor bro-tects.

not rly

[Kouralia]

Actually Terran manufacturing power rape stomps the Imperium, the only reason the Imperium is even able to build such numbers is because of it's population, and most of there ground vehicles are slow as fuck as well. Not to mention that technology is hard to duplicate in the Imperium.

I do have to agree with this. In a drawn-out war, the Terrans would be able to outlast the Imperium due to better manufacturing and I believe they also have cloning tech if things got tight.

If we just took two galaxies and removed everything else but the Terrans and the Imperium, it'd be a lolstomp.

"Drawn out you say? I say... Exterminatus."

[Indeos]

"Keeping things fair" means throwing out any part of canon that means you're wrong. There's no such thing as a fair fight.

So I say guardsmen vs terran marine and you go " Lol I bring the entire Imperial guard!

No, but it's a completely worthless scenario if you're going to insist on equal numbers and only basic infantry. It's like saying base Astartes would beat base Guardsmen; of fucking course they would; but that fight would never happen.

[Mini Miehm]

Thats fine. Because if we count the entire militaries, even if you give the Terrans equivalent numbers, Imperial Armour is going to show its worth, and methodically slaughter Terran vehicles and infantry in job lots.

Actually Terran manufacturing power rape stomps the Imperium, the only reason the Imperium is even able to build such numbers is because of it's population, and most of there ground vehicles are slow as fuck as well. Not to mention that technology is hard to duplicate in the Imperium.

Guard tanks are terrifyingly superior to the two options Terrans have for armor. If I use Guard there are what, six Leman Russ variants? And thats just one of their armored vehicles.

[Dorlania]

hory shat

according to old fluff, the STC for a baneblade labeled it as a 'light tank' and that it's chassis was as large as a city-block

[North Calaveras]

So I say guardsmen vs terran marine and you go " Lol I bring the entire Imperial guard!

No, but it's a completely worthless scenario if you're going to insist on equal numbers and only basic infantry. It's like saying base Astartes would beat base Guardsmen; of fucking course they would; but that fight would never happen.

very well, as shown above the Imperium loses a war(yes even with space marines) to a same sized Dominion

[Dorlania]

Actually Terran manufacturing power rape stomps the Imperium, the only reason the Imperium is even able to build such numbers is because of it's population, and most of there ground vehicles are slow as fuck as well. Not to mention that technology is hard to duplicate in the Imperium.

Guard tanks are terrifyingly superior to the two options Terrans have for armor. If I use Guard there are what, six Leman Russ variants? And thats just one of their armored vehicles.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Stormlord
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Banesword
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Stormblade
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Executioner

THE EMPRAH PROTECTS

[Kouralia]

No, but it's a completely worthless scenario if you're going to insist on equal numbers and only basic infantry. It's like saying base Astartes would beat base Guardsmen; of fucking course they would; but that fight would never happen.

very well, as shown above the Imperium loses a war(yes even with space marines) to a same sized Dominion

Unsurprisingly they're not the same. That's like saying 'The Germans could've beaten the Soviet Union, if they'd had 10x the men and no British to worry about."

[Indeos]

No, but it's a completely worthless scenario if you're going to insist on equal numbers and only basic infantry. It's like saying base Astartes would beat base Guardsmen; of fucking course they would; but that fight would never happen.

very well, as shown above the Imperium loses a war(yes even with space marines) to a same sized Dominion

Doubtful. The Dominion couldn't hold any of the worlds they took, and have the strategic maneuverability of a snail. It would be like the hypothetical US invasion of Japan near the end of WWII; the Imperium would make them fight for every inch of ground, and the Dominion would never have the advantages they need.

Hell, the US lost in Vietnam against a force that wasn't near equal with them; the Dominion wouldn't be able to do noticeable damage to the Imperium.

[Dorlania]

how does one remove GW paint from a plastic figure?