The Warhammer 40,000 / (Fantasy) discussion thread.

[Arkania 5]

It's generally agreed that Protoss tech is more or less the same level as the Eldar and Necrons.

Generally agreed by whom? Evidence(like them getting killed by Terran Marines) says they're not nearly as advanced as you would like them to be.

Spacebattles, Factpile, Stardestroyer.net, I can post up some debate threads if you want.

[Mini Miehm]

Guard are meat. Their guns are crap. Astartes are physically the match of any Zealot. Their armor is TOUGH. They're VERY difficult to kill.

Necrons exceed pretty much every other polity in terms of technological advancement. And they're MUCH stronger than Astartes. Their major weakness is that they're slow in melee.

I'd love to see a equal number of guardsmen go toe to toe with Terran Marines

even the astartes would be killed quite quickly, I would say Astartes kick the shit out of terran space marines, but due to gauss rifles this is negated to a point.

Except no. Guards would have a massive advantage, assuming equal numbers, since they have, yaknow, actual heavy weapons teams, and other sorts of force multipliers.

Astartes, especially in equal numbers, would slaughter with impunity, especially if we pit a mixed force of Devs and Tacs against a Marine unit. The Gauss rifle isn't that dangerous to a Space Marine that can take significant injuries without stopping combat, much less dying.

[Arkania 5]

I'd love to see a equal number of guardsmen go toe to toe with Terran Marines

even the astartes would be killed quite quickly, I would say Astartes kick the shit out of terran space marines, but due to gauss rifles this is negated to a point.

Except no. Guards would have a massive advantage, assuming equal numbers, since they have, yaknow, actual heavy weapons teams, and other sorts of force multipliers.

Astartes, especially in equal numbers, would slaughter with impunity, especially if we pit a mixed force of Devs and Tacs against a Marine unit. The Gauss rifle isn't that dangerous to a Space Marine that can take significant injuries without stopping combat, much less dying.

I would have to agree with this. Except psychics, like Nova, who could bring down skyscrapers like nothing with telekinesis.

IG have psykers, correct?

[Mini Miehm]

Generally agreed by whom? Evidence(like them getting killed by Terran Marines) says they're not nearly as advanced as you would like them to be.

Spacebattles, Factpile, Stardestroyer.net, I can post up some debate threads if you want.

So... No one. As long as we're clear then. Observable evidence says Protoss are not that powerful. Ergo, they are not that powerful. Simple reasoning is simple.

[North Calaveras]

I'd love to see a equal number of guardsmen go toe to toe with Terran Marines

even the astartes would be killed quite quickly, I would say Astartes kick the shit out of terran space marines, but due to gauss rifles this is negated to a point.

Except no. Guards would have a massive advantage, assuming equal numbers, since they have, yaknow, actual heavy weapons teams, and other sorts of force multipliers.

Astartes, especially in equal numbers, would slaughter with impunity, especially if we pit a mixed force of Devs and Tacs against a Marine unit. The Gauss rifle isn't that dangerous to a Space Marine that can take significant injuries without stopping combat, much less dying.

Astartes are roided terran marines essentially, not that great when comparing them to a protoss zealot or even a terran marine(though terran marines would get killed, but it wouldn't take many to bring down a single space marine)

Keep in mind Terrans field ARMIES of these power-armored infantry. Guard would get there ass chewed to pieces faster than they could say "For dah emprha!"

Heavy weapons? A C-14 Gauss rifle is there basic infantry rifle and it's no doubt a heavy weapon by itself.

[Arkania 5]

Spacebattles, Factpile, Stardestroyer.net, I can post up some debate threads if you want.

So... No one. As long as we're clear then. Observable evidence says Protoss are not that powerful. Ergo, they are not that powerful. Simple reasoning is simple.

Yes they are.

Take Ulzeraj. He could bring down entire fleets with his mind, he could move at the speed of thought, and could control weather.

Or Twilight Archons. They could do planetary-wide psionic storms.

EDIT: All in all though, yes, Warhammer shits on Starcraft like you wouldn't believe.

[North Calaveras]

So... No one. As long as we're clear then. Observable evidence says Protoss are not that powerful. Ergo, they are not that powerful. Simple reasoning is simple.

Yes they are.

Take Ulzeraj. He could bring down entire fleets with his mind, he could move at the speed of thought, and could control weather.

Or Twilight Archons. They could do planetary-wide psionic storms.

EDIT: All in all though, yes, Warhammer shits on Starcraft like you wouldn't believe.

Only because of sheer overwhelming number Arkania

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

So... No one. As long as we're clear then. Observable evidence says Protoss are not that powerful. Ergo, they are not that powerful. Simple reasoning is simple.

Yes they are.

Take Imotekh the stormlord. He could bring down entire fleets with his mind, he could move at the speed of thought, and could control weather.

Or Twilight Archons. They could do planetary-wide psionic storms.

EDIT: All in all though, yes, Warhammer shits on Starcraft like you wouldn't believe.

[Arkania 5]

Imotekh can move faster than the speed of light? And have fleet-wide devastation?

[Rethan]

So... No one. As long as we're clear then. Observable evidence says Protoss are not that powerful. Ergo, they are not that powerful. Simple reasoning is simple.

Yes they are.

Take Ulzeraj. He could bring down entire fleets with his mind, he could move at the speed of thought, and could control weather.

Necrons: Extinguish candle, explode star.

Or Twilight Archons. They could do planetary-wide psionic storms.

Hello there, my name is Imotekh the Stormlord.

[Squizard]

I can't believe I belong to the smallest minority! Thought Nids would be more popular. I just love the lil' swarmin' Bugs...

[North Calaveras]

Yes they are.

Take Ulzeraj. He could bring down entire fleets with his mind, he could move at the speed of thought, and could control weather.

Necrons: Extinguish candle, explode star.

Or Twilight Archons. They could do planetary-wide psionic storms.

Hello there, my name is Imotekh the Stormlord.

Except you know you can find a lot more archons than Imotekh's-type people

[Rethan]

I can't believe I belong to the smallest minority! Thought Nids would be more popular. I just love the lil' swarmin' Bugs...

I too am a Nid lover. Hail brother. \o/

[Mini Miehm]

Except no. Guards would have a massive advantage, assuming equal numbers, since they have, yaknow, actual heavy weapons teams, and other sorts of force multipliers.

Astartes, especially in equal numbers, would slaughter with impunity, especially if we pit a mixed force of Devs and Tacs against a Marine unit. The Gauss rifle isn't that dangerous to a Space Marine that can take significant injuries without stopping combat, much less dying.

Astartes are roided terran marines essentially, not that great when comparing them to a protoss zealot or even a terran marine(though terran marines would get killed, but it wouldn't take many to bring down a single space marine)

Keep in mind Terrans field ARMIES of these power-armored infantry. Guard would get there ass chewed to pieces faster than they could say "For dah emprha!"

Heavy weapons? A C-14 Gauss rifle is there basic infantry rifle and it's no doubt a heavy weapon by itself.

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Well, they could never beat Necron Lord-Nigel and his Crytek-Skeletor.

[Death World Krieg]

Astartes are roided terran marines essentially, not that great when comparing them to a protoss zealot or even a terran marine(though terran marines would get killed, but it wouldn't take many to bring down a single space marine)

Keep in mind Terrans field ARMIES of these power-armored infantry. Guard would get there ass chewed to pieces faster than they could say "For dah emprha!"

Heavy weapons? A C-14 Gauss rifle is there basic infantry rifle and it's no doubt a heavy weapon by itself.

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Don't forget the auto cannons and shit fuck tons of vehicles. Also lets not forget Titans shall we?

[Mini Miehm]

Necrons: Extinguish candle, explode star.


Hello there, my name is Imotekh the Stormlord.

Except you know you can find a lot more archons than Imotekh's-type people

Not so. There's a data sheet in Apoc Reload that lets any lord and a number of Wraiths have the same ability, and mo0re reliable. Wanna try again?

[Mini Miehm]

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Don't forget the auto cannons and shit fuck tons of vehicles. Also lets not forget Titans shall we?

If we bring in vehicles its just not fair. Leman Russ>Crucio. And if you don't accept that, then Baneblade>>Crucio.

[North Calaveras]

Astartes are roided terran marines essentially, not that great when comparing them to a protoss zealot or even a terran marine(though terran marines would get killed, but it wouldn't take many to bring down a single space marine)

Keep in mind Terrans field ARMIES of these power-armored infantry. Guard would get there ass chewed to pieces faster than they could say "For dah emprha!"

Heavy weapons? A C-14 Gauss rifle is there basic infantry rifle and it's no doubt a heavy weapon by itself.

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Not even close dude your wanking Astartes beyond belief. We all know astartes are stronger than humans etc etc etc but they are not unstoppable and for that matter a very rare occurence on the battlefield and evne then in low numbers. I'm not denying Astartes are more deadly than terran marines, they without a doubt are, but not by some ridiculous number. I would wage a space marine could take three maybe four Dominion Mariones before going down.

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

Lascannon meet the C-14 guass rifle, I don't think your understanding how powerful a railgun that size actually is, and get this, they fire in bursts. Hell the gun itself is probably almost as big as a man.

Terran Marine: CBN/small-arms fire protection and space operation, enhanced strength, weight, communications, heads up display and I wouldn't be surprised if they had thermal/night vision as well

Guardsmen: Las-rifle(not a bad weapon, pretty powerful), weak-ass shit armor, no night vision etc etc(save for special divisions)

Equal numbers the Guard are tissue paper.

[Arkania 5]

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Don't forget the auto cannons and shit fuck tons of vehicles. Also lets not forget Titans shall we?

Let's not forget Motherships shall we?

[Mini Miehm]

Don't forget the auto cannons and shit fuck tons of vehicles. Also lets not forget Titans shall we?

Let's not forget Motherships shall we?

I'll see your mothership and raise you a Reaver Titan. Because, if its not bigger than a mountain, it's not worth fielding.

[Mini Miehm]

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Not even close dude your wanking Astartes beyond belief. We all know astartes are stronger than humans etc etc etc but they are not unstoppable and for that matter a very rare occurence on the battlefield and evne then in low numbers. I'm not denying Astartes are more deadly than terran marines, they without a doubt are, but not by some ridiculous number. I would wage a space marine could take three maybe four Dominion Mariones before going down.

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

Lascannon meet the C-14 guass rifle, I don't think your understanding how powerful a railgun that size actually is, and get this, they fire in bursts. Hell the gun itself is probably almost as big as a man.

Terran Marine: CBN/small-arms fire protection and space operation, enhanced strength, weight, communications, heads up display and I wouldn't be surprised if they had thermal/night vision as well

Guardsmen: Las-rifle(not a bad weapon, pretty powerful), weak-ass shit armor, no night vision etc etc(save for special divisions)

Equal numbers the Guard are tissue paper.

Look, I like Starcraft too. I really do. Its what I've based my nation on in fact, but there's not question that the Adeptus Astartes are simply in every way superior to a Terran Marine. Attempting to engage them with nothing but Marines would be a very bad plan, since a boltgun round would tear through their armor like so much foil.

Some guard units fo have NBC protection. And the C-14 isn't that good. Neither is the lasgun. The biggest worry you have when facing Guard is their heavy weapons teams, which can mow down Marines with relative impunity.

[Indeos]

No. Terran Marines are to Astartes as a technical is to a tank. Astartes are stronger than baseline humans, approximately the same size as a zealot, and in their armor, they are FURTHER enhanced, above and beyond their normal limits. A bolt gun would have no difficulty popping terran marines with terrifying ease.

Guard know how to use defensive positions, and use actual heavy weapons, like lascannon. Lascannon, that can oneshot Astartes. And tanks. Or missiles. Or heavy bolters, for suppressive fire from hell.

Not even close dude your wanking Astartes beyond belief. We all know astartes are stronger than humans etc etc etc but they are not unstoppable and for that matter a very rare occurence on the battlefield and evne then in low numbers. I'm not denying Astartes are more deadly than terran marines, they without a doubt are, but not by some ridiculous number. I would wage a space marine could take three maybe four Dominion Mariones before going down.

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

Lascannon meet the C-14 guass rifle, I don't think your understanding how powerful a railgun that size actually is, and get this, they fire in bursts. Hell the gun itself is probably almost as big as a man.

Terran Marine: CBN/small-arms fire protection and space operation, enhanced strength, weight, communications, heads up display and I wouldn't be surprised if they had thermal/night vision as well

Guardsmen: Las-rifle(not a bad weapon, pretty powerful), weak-ass shit armor, no night vision etc etc(save for special divisions)

Equal numbers the Guard are tissue paper.

The problem is that Terran marines are completely useless against vehicles, and don't really have much in the way of vehicle counters. You're wanking that railgun a lot harder than anyone is wanking Astartes; even Terran marines can take a lot of hits before falling, and Astartes armor is a lot stronger. So is the boltgun, because instead of using a fairly small (8mm) round designed for penetration it fires APHE ammo.

The Terrans also don't have elite formations or any skill in close combat; Assault Marines would tear them to shreds, and Assault Terminators could probably do it without casualties. Astartes are very likely to keep fighting longer, too.

The IG would never deploy with equal numbers against an enemy they're clearly outmatched by.

[North Calaveras]

Not even close dude your wanking Astartes beyond belief. We all know astartes are stronger than humans etc etc etc but they are not unstoppable and for that matter a very rare occurence on the battlefield and evne then in low numbers. I'm not denying Astartes are more deadly than terran marines, they without a doubt are, but not by some ridiculous number. I would wage a space marine could take three maybe four Dominion Mariones before going down.

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

Lascannon meet the C-14 guass rifle, I don't think your understanding how powerful a railgun that size actually is, and get this, they fire in bursts. Hell the gun itself is probably almost as big as a man.

Terran Marine: CBN/small-arms fire protection and space operation, enhanced strength, weight, communications, heads up display and I wouldn't be surprised if they had thermal/night vision as well

Guardsmen: Las-rifle(not a bad weapon, pretty powerful), weak-ass shit armor, no night vision etc etc(save for special divisions)

Equal numbers the Guard are tissue paper.

Look, I like Starcraft too. I really do. Its what I've based my nation on in fact, but there's not question that the Adeptus Astartes are simply in every way superior to a Terran Marine. Attempting to engage them with nothing but Marines would be a very bad plan, since a boltgun round would tear through their armor like so much foil.

Some guard units fo have NBC protection. And the C-14 isn't that good. Neither is the lasgun. The biggest worry you have when facing Guard is their heavy weapons teams, which can mow down Marines with relative impunity.

And I like 40k as well but I don't act like there universe can demolish everything in there path because they can't.

I already agreed Astartes are better than terran marines(but not by a ton)

C-14 is much more deadly than a las-gun, though the las-gun itself is very impressive for something to be carried by a normal human. Heavy weapons? If your bringing in specialized infantry instead of a grunt war then what's to stop Terrans from using Ghosts, Marauders, Firebats.

Im comparing your basic guardsmen with your basic terran marine, the basic infantry men of both the factions, and in equal numbers.

[North Calaveras]

Not even close dude your wanking Astartes beyond belief. We all know astartes are stronger than humans etc etc etc but they are not unstoppable and for that matter a very rare occurence on the battlefield and evne then in low numbers. I'm not denying Astartes are more deadly than terran marines, they without a doubt are, but not by some ridiculous number. I would wage a space marine could take three maybe four Dominion Mariones before going down.

Guard are a joke, the only thing they have going for them is las-weapons

Lascannon meet the C-14 guass rifle, I don't think your understanding how powerful a railgun that size actually is, and get this, they fire in bursts. Hell the gun itself is probably almost as big as a man.

Terran Marine: CBN/small-arms fire protection and space operation, enhanced strength, weight, communications, heads up display and I wouldn't be surprised if they had thermal/night vision as well

Guardsmen: Las-rifle(not a bad weapon, pretty powerful), weak-ass shit armor, no night vision etc etc(save for special divisions)

Equal numbers the Guard are tissue paper.

The problem is that Terran marines are completely useless against vehicles, and don't really have much in the way of vehicle counters. You're wanking that railgun a lot harder than anyone is wanking Astartes; even Terran marines can take a lot of hits before falling, and Astartes armor is a lot stronger. So is the boltgun, because instead of using a fairly small (8mm) round designed for penetration it fires APHE ammo.

The Terrans also don't have elite formations or any skill in close combat; Assault Marines would tear them to shreds, and Assault Terminators could probably do it without casualties. Astartes are very likely to keep fighting longer, too.

The IG would never deploy with equal numbers against an enemy they're clearly outmatched by.

Even numbers man im talking even numbers.

If you took the Imperiums size and made the Terran Dominion the same size, you really think the Imperium is going to crush the dominion? When the Dominion would have access to trillions of power armored infantry?(not to mention that they don't have to worry about machine rituals and all that other slow ass shit)