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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:How ya comin on embarkment?

Waiting till tomorrow to play. And going to go after gunpowder first, so that I can just steal what I need.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:11 pm

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:How ya comin on embarkment?

Waiting till tomorrow to play. And going to go after gunpowder first, so that I can just steal what I need.

Mkay.

I'm on Revolution, playing as Isabella(Spain). I am best in everything, however my rivals are very close, I am winning in tech by only 4 techs! I am at war with half my four rivals, the Aztecs and English, and my colonial Spainish Empire is falling apart. I am fighting a war on two fronts, and my naval supremacy is faltering. Any suggestions on how to regain Spainish dominance? Imperialistic expansionism? Warfare? Surrender?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:15 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Waiting till tomorrow to play. And going to go after gunpowder first, so that I can just steal what I need.

Mkay.

I'm on Revolution, playing as Isabella(Spain). I am best in everything, however my rivals are very close, I am winning in tech by only 4 techs! I am at war with half my four rivals, the Aztecs and English, and my colonial Spainish Empire is falling apart. I am fighting a war on two fronts, and my naval supremacy is faltering. Any suggestions on how to regain Spainish dominance? Imperialistic expansionism? Warfare? Surrender?

Try and negotiate a surrender with the more powerful foe, or whichever one wants less for it. Feel free to try and strike a truce with the other, but make sure that no matter what you come out with enough to crush them in the future.
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Postby AETEN II » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:16 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Waiting till tomorrow to play. And going to go after gunpowder first, so that I can just steal what I need.

Mkay.

I'm on Revolution, playing as Isabella(Spain). I am best in everything, however my rivals are very close, I am winning in tech by only 4 techs! I am at war with half my four rivals, the Aztecs and English, and my colonial Spainish Empire is falling apart. I am fighting a war on two fronts, and my naval supremacy is faltering. Any suggestions on how to regain Spainish dominance? Imperialistic expansionism? Warfare? Surrender?

I'm just pissed that they used Katherine the great as the leader of Russia, even though she was fucking German! Why not Stalin, or Lenin? Yeah, Lenin would have been awesome.
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Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.


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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:26 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Mkay.

I'm on Revolution, playing as Isabella(Spain). I am best in everything, however my rivals are very close, I am winning in tech by only 4 techs! I am at war with half my four rivals, the Aztecs and English, and my colonial Spainish Empire is falling apart. I am fighting a war on two fronts, and my naval supremacy is faltering. Any suggestions on how to regain Spainish dominance? Imperialistic expansionism? Warfare? Surrender?

Try and negotiate a surrender with the more powerful foe, or whichever one wants less for it. Feel free to try and strike a truce with the other, but make sure that no matter what you come out with enough to crush them in the future.

The English demand much, for only 4 turns of peace. And the Aztecs demand about the same. Surrdender probobly wont be an option. The only people who made a truce were the Greeks, whom I attacked for their technichal prowness.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:27 pm

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Mkay.

I'm on Revolution, playing as Isabella(Spain). I am best in everything, however my rivals are very close, I am winning in tech by only 4 techs! I am at war with half my four rivals, the Aztecs and English, and my colonial Spainish Empire is falling apart. I am fighting a war on two fronts, and my naval supremacy is faltering. Any suggestions on how to regain Spainish dominance? Imperialistic expansionism? Warfare? Surrender?

I'm just pissed that they used Katherine the great as the leader of Russia, even though she was fucking German! Why not Stalin, or Lenin? Yeah, Lenin would have been awesome.

Lenin would have been a great choice indeed.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:29 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Try and negotiate a surrender with the more powerful foe, or whichever one wants less for it. Feel free to try and strike a truce with the other, but make sure that no matter what you come out with enough to crush them in the future.

The English demand much, for only 4 turns of peace. And the Aztecs demand about the same. Surrdender probobly wont be an option. The only people who made a truce were the Greeks, whom I attacked for their technichal prowness.

Alright, in that case, if you can sell resources (if there are resources), then do it. Anything that doesn't help you militarily, jettison for cold hard cash, and spend that on replenishing your numbers.

Note, I'm operating under Civ V rules. Adjust as necessary for Rev.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:31 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The English demand much, for only 4 turns of peace. And the Aztecs demand about the same. Surrdender probobly wont be an option. The only people who made a truce were the Greeks, whom I attacked for their technichal prowness.

Alright, in that case, if you can sell resources (if there are resources), then do it. Anything that doesn't help you militarily, jettison for cold hard cash, and spend that on replenishing your numbers.

Note, I'm operating under Civ V rules. Adjust as necessary for Rev.

In Civ Rev, you cant sell resources. You CAN send caravans, but the money is based off of distance not resources. Resources provide production, food, so on boosts.
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Postby AETEN II » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:33 pm

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AETEN II wrote:I'm just pissed that they used Katherine the great as the leader of Russia, even though she was fucking German! Why not Stalin, or Lenin? Yeah, Lenin would have been awesome.

Lenin would have been a great choice indeed.

I would kill to have a fully animated 3D model of him calling you Comrade when you were an ally.

Seriously though, fuck Katherine the Great. Couldn't at least we have gotten Ivan the Terrible?
"Quod Vult, Valde Valt"

Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.


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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:34 pm

AETEN II wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Lenin would have been a great choice indeed.

I would kill to have a fully animated 3D model of him calling you Comrade when you were an ally.

Seriously though, fuck Katherine the Great. Couldn't at least we have gotten Ivan the Terrible?

Ivan the Terrible was Terrible, jk, but atleast he was Russian.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:34 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Alright, in that case, if you can sell resources (if there are resources), then do it. Anything that doesn't help you militarily, jettison for cold hard cash, and spend that on replenishing your numbers.

Note, I'm operating under Civ V rules. Adjust as necessary for Rev.

In Civ Rev, you cant sell resources. You CAN send caravans, but the money is based off of distance not resources. Resources provide production, food, so on boosts.

In that case I've got nothing. Good luck.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:36 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:In Civ Rev, you cant sell resources. You CAN send caravans, but the money is based off of distance not resources. Resources provide production, food, so on boosts.

In that case I've got nothing. Good luck.

Thanks.

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Postby Aethyopea » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:44 am

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Aethyopea wrote:Does anyone have any tips for Immortal? I think I'm pretty good at Emperor (I have only played one game, as Dido on an archipelago map, but I am pretty much number one in score the whole time and I'm number one in tech) so I decided to give Immortal a shot. Played as incas on a pangaea map on short speed (first time with short speed too). First went pottery-->mining, got writing from a goodie hut, went calendar and then went for construction. My policies were honor starter, tradition starter and Liberty starter (I actually wanted to go wide, but I picked tradition by accident. Herp a derp). Building wise, I went worker-->monument-->shrine-->warrior-->granary-->stonehenge.
Everything seemed to be going pretty well for a first run: I had made some mistakes (most notible one being spending what must've been twenty turns attacking a barb camp to get rep with venice only to realise that I had been attacking the wrong barb camp the whole time) but I didn't think it was anything insurmountable.
Suddenly persia declares war on me for no reason. My one city with a weakened warrior and a rush-bought slinger is suddenly attacked by two immortals, two archers and two warriors. Not only that, but my one spearman unit is half the continent away and weakened as well. Result: a quick death against a huge wave of enemies.

So what should I have done? Should I stay on emperor difficulty for a bit, or should I change my strategy? Is there anything I should know when playing on immortal difficulty?

Build lots of archers, and lots of warriors at the start. Or if you're having problems, maybe choose a guy with a good starting unit, like Alexander or Augustus.

Hey, it actually worked!
In my game immortal game as the aztecs I took your advice and actually managed to build the pyramids and climb up in ranks a few steps, being only the fourth-worst faction in my large map game. Of course that didn't stop Boudicca from taking one of my cities, nor did that stop me from stupidly wrecking my own empire by trying to settle four cities at the same time while my civ already had negative happiness but hey, progress!
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:14 am

I declared war on Oda, and eventually managed to capture Tokyo. I was planning on pushing north to Kyoto, but he had a massive force and since there are only two tiles between the mountains and the ocean (both of them blocked) with a good number of my troops injured, I decided to make peace. Osaka's going to be hell to capture though; it's built between mountains and there's only a single tile for access. Now, the question is: I got a great general from the combat, and I'm wondering whether or not I should keep him for the bonus or build a citadel. Thoughts?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:26 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:I declared war on Oda, and eventually managed to capture Tokyo. I was planning on pushing north to Kyoto, but he had a massive force and since there are only two tiles between the mountains and the ocean (both of them blocked) with a good number of my troops injured, I decided to make peace. Osaka's going to be hell to capture though; it's built between mountains and there's only a single tile for access. Now, the question is: I got a great general from the combat, and I'm wondering whether or not I should keep him for the bonus or build a citadel. Thoughts?

Citadel?

Also I am Alexander and Greece, its 1425 and I am in the modern age. I tower above my rivals for tech. India just declared war on me. I have a devolped economy, a moderate military, high culture, and many cities. What should I do?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:37 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I declared war on Oda, and eventually managed to capture Tokyo. I was planning on pushing north to Kyoto, but he had a massive force and since there are only two tiles between the mountains and the ocean (both of them blocked) with a good number of my troops injured, I decided to make peace. Osaka's going to be hell to capture though; it's built between mountains and there's only a single tile for access. Now, the question is: I got a great general from the combat, and I'm wondering whether or not I should keep him for the bonus or build a citadel. Thoughts?

Citadel?

Also I am Alexander and Greece, its 1425 and I am in the modern age. I tower above my rivals for tech. India just declared war on me. I have a devolped economy, a moderate military, high culture, and many cities. What should I do?

In Civ V, great generals can be expended to build a fort that provides a bigger defensive bonus and does thirty damage to adjacent enemies.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Citadel?

Also I am Alexander and Greece, its 1425 and I am in the modern age. I tower above my rivals for tech. India just declared war on me. I have a devolped economy, a moderate military, high culture, and many cities. What should I do?

In Civ V, great generals can be expended to build a fort that provides a bigger defensive bonus and does thirty damage to adjacent enemies.

Keep his combat bonus.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:In Civ V, great generals can be expended to build a fort that provides a bigger defensive bonus and does thirty damage to adjacent enemies.

Keep his combat bonus.

Too late.

On the bright side, though, it also adds all adjacent tiles to your cultural borders. Oda was pissed, especially since his only gold mine was included in that. :D
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Postby AETEN II » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:16 pm

I just use Great Generals to give me a golden age. Also, with my napoleon game, I've lagged in my tech and it's 1950 and I just researched the telegraph. However, most are either in the Renaissance or the industrial age, so I'm OK. Also, everyone but Montezuma has denounced me (I've allied with the Aztecs) and have declared war on Asika. I'm now marshaling a massive invasion force of Battleships, Destroyers, Carriers, the Foreign Legion, and numerous planes. I also now have complete control over the Americas and Caribbean, although I've left Arabia alive to keep as a pet. Plus three city states, I find it easier to pay them off than annex them.

But yeah, war will son sweep over Africa, and I'll claim the whole damned continent. Once Asika's swept away, I'll take on Darius, who seems to have taken over most of the continent, from the expeditions I've sent out.
"Quod Vult, Valde Valt"

Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.


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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:21 pm

AETEN II wrote:I just use Great Generals to give me a golden age. Also, with my napoleon game, I've lagged in my tech and it's 1950 and I just researched the telegraph. However, most are either in the Renaissance or the industrial age, so I'm OK. Also, everyone but Montezuma has denounced me (I've allied with the Aztecs) and have declared war on Asika. I'm now marshaling a massive invasion force of Battleships, Destroyers, Carriers, the Foreign Legion, and numerous planes. I also now have complete control over the Americas and Caribbean, although I've left Arabia alive to keep as a pet. Plus three city states, I find it easier to pay them off than annex them.

But yeah, war will son sweep over Africa, and I'll claim the whole damned continent. Once Asika's swept away, I'll take on Darius, who seems to have taken over most of the continent, from the expeditions I've sent out.

Noice. With G&K, only Great Artists can be used for golden ages.

Anyways, I've just researched Steel and upgraded most of my swordsmen to longswordsmen, which should be able to easily waste Oda's warriors. Should I invade again?
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Postby AETEN II » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:35 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
AETEN II wrote:I just use Great Generals to give me a golden age. Also, with my napoleon game, I've lagged in my tech and it's 1950 and I just researched the telegraph. However, most are either in the Renaissance or the industrial age, so I'm OK. Also, everyone but Montezuma has denounced me (I've allied with the Aztecs) and have declared war on Asika. I'm now marshaling a massive invasion force of Battleships, Destroyers, Carriers, the Foreign Legion, and numerous planes. I also now have complete control over the Americas and Caribbean, although I've left Arabia alive to keep as a pet. Plus three city states, I find it easier to pay them off than annex them.

But yeah, war will son sweep over Africa, and I'll claim the whole damned continent. Once Asika's swept away, I'll take on Darius, who seems to have taken over most of the continent, from the expeditions I've sent out.

Noice. With G&K, only Great Artists can be used for golden ages.

Anyways, I've just researched Steel and upgraded most of my swordsmen to longswordsmen, which should be able to easily waste Oda's warriors. Should I invade again?

Never invade again. Always invade. When I start my warfare in Civilization, I take the Imperium in Warhammer's approach. Constant war, never letting up until your enemy is wiped out completely. Constant building and purchasing of units to ensure there is a continuous, never-ending stream of units to wipe out your enemy. For example, I currently make 700 gold in my Napoleon turn, which allows me to buy workers, and a unit like a Battleship, per turn. Within five turns, I get another task force capable of invading another coastal city. Two battleships, two destroyers, and one infantry.
"Quod Vult, Valde Valt"

Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.


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Postby East Ormania » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:50 pm

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East Ormania wrote:Civilization V: I NEED IT.
I have revolution, wich is way better than i expected.
I think i'm going to buy it tomorrow.

Stick with Revolution. It is the most fun game I have EVER played on my DS, followed closely by Sim City.

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Explain me why.
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Postby Gratislavia » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:58 pm

Just finished with Maria Theresa (Austria) on Warlord, Huge Continents maps. Pretty fun, and I love the addition of religion (just got Gods and Kings ofc) finally manged to scrape out a Space Victory after conquering all the nations on my own continent and most on the other. City state buying a huge advantage when it comes to that ofc.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:08 pm

East Ormania wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Stick with Revolution. It is the most fun game I have EVER played on my DS, followed closely by Sim City.

Grave-digging i hope this is not.[/yoda]
Explain me why.
I have desire for it.

I just think its fun.
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Postby Aethyopea » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:35 am

Gratislavia wrote:Just finished with Maria Theresa (Austria) on Warlord, Huge Continents maps. Pretty fun, and I love the addition of religion (just got Gods and Kings ofc) finally manged to scrape out a Space Victory after conquering all the nations on my own continent and most on the other. City state buying a huge advantage when it comes to that ofc.

Diplomatic marriage seems overpowered IMO.
1.) you get an entire new fully-developed city with fully developed lands around it at just 500 gold+the money you invest to get it to ally. Seeing as a normal settler already costs 500 gold to rushbuy, that seems like an insanely good price
2.) you get free units when you diplomarry. If the civ you're marrying to is militaristic you can easily get ten or more free units.
3.) On higher difficulties, the AI is incredibly coup-happy and they have a lot of gold to spend on city-states. That means that even diplomatic civs like the Greeks will have trouble maintaining more than a handful of city-state allies at any given time. As Austria you can simply annex the city states, prevent your opponents from getting an ally and making it easier for you to keep the few city states that are still around allied. You might not get a lot of free units/food/happiness/culture from the city states, but neither will your opponents.
POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
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