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Thoughts on the series finale of Korra?

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:07 am

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It's also a symbolic thing. Republic City is meant to symbolize benders and nonbenders living peacefully together. If it falls, it says, "Hey, peace doesn't work, and these benders are liars for saying so."

So that would be the end of all the ideals aang fought for?
Civil war...


In a nut shell yes.
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Postby Thrinia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:21 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Thrinia wrote:So that would be the end of all the ideals aang fought for?
Civil war...


In a nut shell yes.

And how would the Chi Blockers accomplish that?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:20 pm

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In a nut shell yes.

And how would the Chi Blockers accomplish that?


What do you mean?
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Postby Milograd » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:37 pm

Is there going to be a new episode broadcasted tomorrow morning?
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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:01 pm

Milograd wrote:Is there going to be a new episode broadcasted tomorrow morning?

11am EST on Nick

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Postby Thrinia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:13 pm

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Thrinia wrote:And how would the Chi Blockers accomplish that?


What do you mean?

How are they supposed to take over the city?
Kill Korra?
Kill the whole council?
Kill every last bender in the city?
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Postby Milograd » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:15 pm

Soxastan wrote:
Milograd wrote:Is there going to be a new episode broadcasted tomorrow morning?

11am EST on Nick

Thanks, Soxa. I am quite anxious for it.
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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:16 pm

Thrinia wrote:
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What do you mean?

How are they supposed to take over the city?
Kill Korra?
Kill the whole council?
Kill every last bender in the city?

Simple, the chi block all of the council members and hold them hostage. They also don't have to kill anyone at all. And then they can chi block the benders, one at a time, in Republic City.

Also, why kill the Avatar? A new one will be born after the current one dies. It would only give the new avatar motive for their vengeance against the Equalists.

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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:19 pm

Milograd wrote:
Soxastan wrote:11am EST on Nick

Thanks, Soxa. I am quite anxious for it.

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Postby Thrinia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:20 pm

Soxastan wrote:
Thrinia wrote:How are they supposed to take over the city?
Kill Korra?
Kill the whole council?
Kill every last bender in the city?

Simple, the chi block all of the council members and hold them hostage. They also don't have to kill anyone at all. And then they can chi block the benders, one at a time, in Republic City.

Also, why kill the Avatar? A new one will be born after the current one dies. It would only give the new avatar motive for their vengeance against the Equalists.

I thought Chi blocking only works temporarily...
Like with Ty Lee.....
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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:23 pm

If it weren't for the steampunk technology and the fact that they advanced thousands of years in a few generations, it would be an awesome show.

And just to add, I absolutely hate when people refer to metalbenders as metalbenders -- they're still Earthbenders. Just like a user of lightning . . they're still Firebenders.
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Postby Thrinia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:25 pm

Moon Cows wrote:If it weren't for the steampunk technology and the fact that they advanced thousands of years in a few generations, it would be an awesome show.

And just to add, I absolutely hate when people refer to metalbenders as metalbenders -- they're still Earthbenders. Just like a user of lightning . . they're still Firebenders.

Agreed.
Metal is a part of earth, enriched earth, but still earth.
And lightning is a type of fire, in a sense.
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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:31 pm

Moon Cows wrote:If it weren't for the steampunk technology and the fact that they advanced thousands of years in a few generations, it would be an awesome show.

Dude, the last show had zeppelins, tanks, steamships, and steam power. It already WAS steampunk. It is like the show went from the 1840s to the 1920s. They didn't advance that much. They have electricity, radio, cars, elevated rails, skyscrapers, and all sorts of cool things. ATLA was set in a changing setting, the shift from medieval to the industrial revolution. The Fire Nation was the UK during the 1800s, everyone else was like India and China, way behind.
And just to add, I absolutely hate when people refer to metalbenders as metalbenders -- they're still Earthbenders. Just like a user of lightning . . they're still Firebenders.

How do we know that they were not solely trained in metal bending? They may have been able to only train earthbenders so that they would only metalbend.

But you may be right. They are earthbenders, but they are highly specialized in metalbending. An expert metalbender would probably get their asses handed to them in a pro-bending match.

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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:39 pm

Soxastan wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:If it weren't for the steampunk technology and the fact that they advanced thousands of years in a few generations, it would be an awesome show.

Dude, the last show had zeppelins, tanks, steamships, and steam power. It already WAS steampunk. It is like the show went from the 1840s to the 1920s. They didn't advance that much. They have electricity, radio, cars, elevated rails, skyscrapers, and all sorts of cool things. ATLA was set in a changing setting, the shift from medieval to the industrial revolution. The Fire Nation was the UK during the 1800s, everyone else was like India and China, way behind.


It's a matter of perception. The technology in the first series was believable and way behind what you're claiming. . . the Fire Nation was more industrial, but I don't think they were anywhere near the 1800s . . . nor can you compare it to the real world. It's different, it has different advancements, it's not like it is set to follow the actual events of the real world. They were like ancient China with fantasy elements thrown in, and the Fire Nation just so happened to have some technology. It's not comparable to actual historical events in any way. I think Korra's technology is way overdone, honestly. Not much should have changed, imo.

To each his own. Some of us like our fantasy fandoms to be more like a fantasy, others want to see something different. I'm not going to stop watching the show, I just think they changed it too much.
And just to add, I absolutely hate when people refer to metalbenders as metalbenders -- they're still Earthbenders. Just like a user of lightning . . they're still Firebenders.

How do we know that they were not solely trained in metal bending? They may have been able to only train earthbenders so that they would only metalbend.

But you may be right. They are earthbenders, but they are highly specialized in metalbending. An expert metalbender would probably get their asses handed to them in a pro-bending match.


I feel that metal-bending is like lightning-bending to Firebenders -- it's reserved for the more experienced, even master level benders. Just as you most likely cannot be trained in lightning as a Firebender without mastering fire, you can't metal-bend without mastering earth. Just my opinion.
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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:57 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Soxastan wrote:Dude, the last show had zeppelins, tanks, steamships, and steam power. It already WAS steampunk. It is like the show went from the 1840s to the 1920s. They didn't advance that much. They have electricity, radio, cars, elevated rails, skyscrapers, and all sorts of cool things. ATLA was set in a changing setting, the shift from medieval to the industrial revolution. The Fire Nation was the UK during the 1800s, everyone else was like India and China, way behind.


It's a matter of perception. The technology in the first series was believable and way behind what you're claiming. . . the Fire Nation was more industrial, but I don't think they were anywhere near the 1800s . . . nor can you compare it to the real world. It's different, it has different advancements, it's not like it is set to follow the actual events of the real world. They were like ancient China with fantasy elements thrown in, and the Fire Nation just so happened to have some technology. It's not comparable to actual historical events in any way. I think Korra's technology is way overdone, honestly. Not much should have changed, imo.

To each his own. Some of us like our fantasy fandoms to be more like a fantasy, others want to see something different. I'm not going to stop watching the show, I just think they changed it too much.

This is the first steamship to cross the Atlantic in 1819
This is the first steam battleship, built in 1850.
This is the first ironclad, built in 1859.
This is a pre-dreadnought, built in the 1880s.
This is a dreadnought from 1906.

Finally, this is Zuko's ship.

Now, which steamship is most similar to Zuko's? It is probably the dreadnought or pre-dreadnought.


This is a Fire Nation airship.

The first Zeppelin was designed in the 1870s and took flight in 1900. They were not used for war until 15 years later.

Now, the Fire Nation used the airships in the year they discovered them. Now from all of this evidence, will you please shut your mouth about how it is not enough time because it is pretty damn obvious that the Fire Nation had more tech than we did in 1870. 70 years is PLENTY of time to develop cars, radio, and electricity. If you still disagree, then you might be stupid.

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Postby Moon Cows » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:10 pm

Soxastan wrote:you might be stupid.


Obviously.

Now, I don't know if you understand this is fiction, but . . .
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Postby Soxastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:14 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Soxastan wrote:you might be stupid.


Obviously.

Now, I don't know if you understand this is fiction, but . . .

Argument for the sake of argument, plus I would like you to know that progression with technology in their world would mimic progression in ours. It would only make sense if they had the tech that we had at similar times.

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Postby Constaniana » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:56 pm

I see no reason how the technology level in Legend of Korra is unreasonable. The Fire Nation was on the edge of peacefully beginning their Industrial Revolution before the war began,as they were shown with steampowered ships in their first invasion. Now in case you didnt know, war is like giant steroids for technological advancement. Take for example all the technological advancements made in WWII, which only lasted 6 years. Now imagine how much technology could progress in a war spanning a whole century. After their defeat, the Fire Nation most likely shared its superior technology with the Earth Kingdom and Water Tribes,making potential for improvement on said technology much easier, since more people could be educated about it, much like how immigrants such as Nikola Tesla created superior technology to the lightbulbs Edison made. The point is, we should not be surprised by the huge tech leap, which is most likely concentrated in Republic City and the Fire Nation.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:05 pm

I seriously don't see what the fuss is about about the technology.
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Postby Nachfolgia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:10 pm

i think it might be a good show

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Postby Milograd » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:15 pm

Mavorpen wrote:I seriously don't see what the fuss is about about the technology.

I am confused by it as well - it really shouldn't be such a big deal, and to be honest I find the technological leap to be quite reasonable.<_<
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:16 pm

Milograd wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I seriously don't see what the fuss is about about the technology.

I'm confused by it as well. <_<

People are pissed off that it was quite such an advancement in a short amount of time, I think.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:18 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Milograd wrote:I'm confused by it as well. <_<

People are pissed off that it was quite such an advancement in a short amount of time, I think.


It's a FICTIONAL story. And in the first show it was highly emphasized that technology was growing rapidly.
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:25 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:People are pissed off that it was quite such an advancement in a short amount of time, I think.

It's a FICTIONAL story. And in the first show it was highly emphasized that technology was growing rapidly.

*shrug*

Things being fictional has never seemed to stop people getting annoyed about them.

I don't look forward to the lack of Iroh, though.
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Postby Milograd » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:28 pm

Tagmatium wrote:I don't look forward to the lack of Iroh, though.

Iroh is, and forever will be, my favorite character from the Avatar series. He was truly an enjoyable character to watch, and his storyline with Zuko was probably what made me continue watching Avatar in the first place.
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