The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[Ameriganastan]

Cool in concept, fumbled in its execution. We're probably gonna get Kuvira turning into some spirit monster as the final bad guy.

No, I meant as in a possible zaheer Dark Avatar. or Unalaq. but not Kuvira. that would be even worse than Dark Avatar Unalaq.

Unalaq. The textbook example of an interesting plot point wasted on a bad guy so forgettable, I usually call him Forgettable Season 2 Bad Guy.

[Jaslandia]

I have to say though, the idea of a Dark Avatar was pretty cool, but should have been saved for book 4.

Cool in concept, fumbled in its execution. We're probably gonna get Kuvira turning into some spirit monster as the final bad guy.

I doubt it. While Kuvira is a skilled fighter, I'm not sure if she wants to do it all herself. In this case, Kuvira is a master of subtlety and strategy, so she knows that turning herself into a literal monster will not improve her standing among world leaders. Just my five cents.

[United States of Natan]

Cool in concept, fumbled in its execution. We're probably gonna get Kuvira turning into some spirit monster as the final bad guy.

I doubt it. While Kuvira is a skilled fighter, I'm not sure if she wants to do it all herself. In this case, Kuvira is a master of subtlety and strategy, so she knows that turning herself into a literal monster will not improve her standing among world leaders. Just my five cents.

Yes, her goal is to prevent international intervention, and by allowing the Avatar to talk to Su, which she knows won't work, her invasion of Zaofu will seem more legit. I am just not sure how the final battle will actually play out, we haven't had an enemy like Kuvira yet. I am expecting something that empowers her or her bending, although I am not sure how they would do this for an earthbender.

[Ameriganastan]

Kuvira is a skilled fighter, I'm not sure if she wants to do it all herself. In this case, Kuvira is a master of subtlety and strategy, so she knows that turning herself into a literal monster will not improve her standing among world leaders. Just my five cents.

I don't know. Dangling Varick out of the train like that seemed like a sign of things to come.

[United States of Natan]

Kuvira is a skilled fighter, I'm not sure if she wants to do it all herself. In this case, Kuvira is a master of subtlety and strategy, so she knows that turning herself into a literal monster will not improve her standing among world leaders. Just my five cents.

I don't know. Dangling Varrick out of the train like that seemed like a sign of things to come.

I was actually quite surprised by that. I didn't expect her to be so murderous, willing to simply kill people who won't do her bidding at the drop of a hat. I expected her to be a little more manipulative, with trying to convince Varrick to keep working without it being such negative reinforcement. It also surprised me that his conscience finally came back from vacation (and that he even had one), and was actually worried about others, and decided the spirit energy project was too powerful, even for him, which is probably saying something about it, as well as saying something about Kuvira. Regardless, we will just have to wait and see.

[The Flood]

Speaking of season 2, I can't believe this didn't occur to me before.
If Korra would have just shut the damn spirit portal instead of leaving them open, season 3 doesn't happen.
Zaheer wouldn't get his Airbending powers.
The rest of his crew stay in jail.
The Earth Queen doesn't start kidnapping Airbenders for her own private army.
Korra isn't poisoned, nearly killed and driven to run away thanks to the leftover poison.
No Kai.
Kuvira wouldn't have a spirit powered super weapon at her disposal.

Seems like shutting them would have spared her and others a whole lot of grief.

Restoring the Air-nation is a major benefit to the world, though.

[The Flood]

Cool in concept, fumbled in its execution. We're probably gonna get Kuvira turning into some spirit monster as the final bad guy.

No, I meant as in a possible zaheer Dark Avatar. or Unalaq. but not Kuvira. that would be even worse than Dark Avatar Unalaq.

Dark Avatar Unalaq was badass until he turned into Godzilla. That ruined it.

But when he was just a regular sized guy with piercing orange eyes and kickass evil waterbending, it looked pretty awesome.

Though Unalaq sucked as a character.

[Ameriganastan]

Speaking of season 2, I can't believe this didn't occur to me before.
If Korra would have just shut the damn spirit portal instead of leaving them open, season 3 doesn't happen.
Zaheer wouldn't get his Airbending powers.
The rest of his crew stay in jail.
The Earth Queen doesn't start kidnapping Airbenders for her own private army.
Korra isn't poisoned, nearly killed and driven to run away thanks to the leftover poison.
No Kai.
Kuvira wouldn't have a spirit powered super weapon at her disposal.

Seems like shutting them would have spared her and others a whole lot of grief.

Restoring the Air-nation is a major benefit to the world, though.

"Major benefit" is kinda overselling it. It's cool, yeah. But the price to bring them back seemed a little bit not worth it.

[United States of Natan]

No, I meant as in a possible zaheer Dark Avatar. or Unalaq. but not Kuvira. that would be even worse than Dark Avatar Unalaq.

Dark Avatar Unalaq was badass until he turned into Godzilla. That ruined it.

But when he was just a regular sized guy with piercing orange eyes and kickass evil waterbending, it looked pretty awesome.

Though Unalaq sucked as a character.

IKR?!! I loved the idea, the concept, of a dark Avatar, the Avatar's ultimate challenge. Then they ruined it when they did the diablous ex machina of him being able to go all kaiju. Though I did come up with a theory for that occourance, still.

[Forsher]

All of those still count. And instead of doing the semi-sensible thing, Avatar Peacenik is gonna do squat until Kuvira probably take the city.

Sensible thing? Taking on an entire army when it's been established that whilst the Avatar is particularly powerful they're not invincible?

Korra is confronted with a situation where she believes both parties are rational (audience knows neither are, and also that the one with the army is megalomaniacal)... the sensible decision would be to try and resolve the issue before it becomes a concern. Further to that, she feels indebted to both parties, arguably more so to Kuvira for having saved her father.

It was already safe for a day. :/

Right. Cause nothing says safe like a nutjob about to storm the place...

Which is infinitely better than a whole lot of nutjobs wanting to do this rather than being about to do this due to having been manipulated by a pair of misguided idiots (i.e. Kuvira and Bataar; although megalomaniac is perhaps more accurate).

Speaking of season 2, I can't believe this didn't occur to me before.

If Korra would have just shut the damn spirit portal instead of leaving them open, season 3 doesn't happen.

Zaheer wouldn't get his Airbending powers.
The rest of his crew stay in jail.
The Earth Queen doesn't start kidnapping Airbenders for her own private army.
Korra isn't poisoned, nearly killed and driven to run away thanks to the leftover poison.
No Kai.
Kuvira wouldn't have a spirit powered super weapon at her disposal.

Seems like shutting them would have spared her and others a whole lot of grief.

I don't think that's true. I think it was more Harmonic Convergence that had this effect rather than leaving the portals open. Further to that, Korra tried and failed to close the portals prior to Convergence anyway. That Zaheer ends up as an airbender is an unfortunate coincidence, from the perspective of Korra. If it was just having the portals be open then existing non-benders would still be manifesting airbending and the case where it is both (i.e. portals open and Convergence) is very clearly established as out of Korra's control.

[Ameriganastan]

I don't think that's true. I think it was more Harmonic Convergence that had this effect rather than leaving the portals open. Further to that, Korra tried and failed to close the portals prior to Convergence anyway. That Zaheer ends up as an airbender is an unfortunate coincidence, from the perspective of Korra. If it was just having the portals be open then existing non-benders would still be manifesting airbending and the case where it is both (i.e. portals open and Convergence) is very clearly established as out of Korra's control.

Prior to convergence. After all the fighting and whatnot, she didn't even try again. She just left them open. Dollar says closing the things would have fixed the whole "Spontaneous Airbenders" deal.

[United States of Natan]

I don't think that's true. I think it was more Harmonic Convergence that had this effect rather than leaving the portals open. Further to that, Korra tried and failed to close the portals prior to Convergence anyway. That Zaheer ends up as an airbender is an unfortunate coincidence, from the perspective of Korra. If it was just having the portals be open then existing non-benders would still be manifesting airbending and the case where it is both (i.e. portals open and Convergence) is very clearly established as out of Korra's control.

Prior to convergence. After all the fighting and whatnot, she didn't even try again. She just left them open. Dollar says closing the things would have fixed the whole "Spontaneous Airbenders" deal.

Harmonic Convergence began and ended before Korra decided to leave the portals open. Zaheer still would have gotten his airbending, because Harmonic Convergence happened.

[Ameriganastan]

...I think you forgot your response there, Natan,

[United States of Natan]

...I think you forgot your response there, Natan,

I edited it in. I had closed my computer prior to submitting, which disconnected me from the internet, and I hit submit before I realized, which erased my response when I went back.

[Ameriganastan]

Prior to convergence. After all the fighting and whatnot, she didn't even try again. She just left them open. Dollar says closing the things would have fixed the whole "Spontaneous Airbenders" deal.

Harmonic Convergence began and ended before Korra decided to leave the portals open. Zaheer still would have gotten his airbending, because Harmonic Convergence happened.

What if she'd never been duped into opening them in the first place?

[The Flood]

I don't think that's true. I think it was more Harmonic Convergence that had this effect rather than leaving the portals open. Further to that, Korra tried and failed to close the portals prior to Convergence anyway. That Zaheer ends up as an airbender is an unfortunate coincidence, from the perspective of Korra. If it was just having the portals be open then existing non-benders would still be manifesting airbending and the case where it is both (i.e. portals open and Convergence) is very clearly established as out of Korra's control.

Prior to convergence. After all the fighting and whatnot, she didn't even try again. She just left them open. Dollar says closing the things would have fixed the whole "Spontaneous Airbenders" deal.

The Airbenders are already around, I don't think closing the portals would accomplish anything now.

Also, side note. Pro-bending now needs to add Airbending to the game

[Ameriganastan]

The Airbenders are already around, I don't think closing the portals would accomplish anything now.

I know that. Hence why that post included the sentence "Season 3 doesn't happen." It's a hypothetical situation.

[United States of Natan]

Harmonic Convergence began and ended before Korra decided to leave the portals open. Zaheer still would have gotten his airbending, because Harmonic Convergence happened.

What if she'd never been duped into opening them in the first place?

Then it probably never would have happened, assuming the portals have to be open for harmonic convergence to happen.

[Ameriganastan]

Wait. If the portals are never opened and sorted out, they have the pissed off spirits to deal with...crap. That means Avatar Dingus actually did the semi-right thing.

[United States of Natan]

Wait. If the portals are never opened and sorted out, they have the pissed off spirits to deal with...crap. That means Avatar Dingus actually did the semi-right thing.

Right and wrong. Its not always black and white; sometimes you have to make tough decisions, such as either releasing Vaatu, or letting the spirits destroy the physical world.

I'd like to see our good ole' panda bear spirit from ATLA Book 1.

[The Flood]

Good things about Book 2:

Raava and Vaatu are pretty cool.
Wan origin story is cool.
Dark Avatar was a really cool idea, but wasn't executed properly.

[United States of Natan]

Good things about Book 2:

Raava and Vaatu are pretty cool.
Wan origin story is cool.
Dark Avatar was a really cool idea, but wasn't executed properly.

Yes. I think Zaheer would have made a great dark Avatar, although we've already seen an airbending Avatar (Aang) so that would probably seem a little used. that, or it would seem like a good callback.

[Ameriganastan]

Good things about Book 2:

Raava and Vaatu are pretty cool.
Wan origin story is cool.
Dark Avatar was a really cool idea, but wasn't executed properly.

I'd totally watch a Wan mini-series spinoff.

[United States of Natan]

Good things about Book 2:

Raava and Vaatu are pretty cool.
Wan origin story is cool.
Dark Avatar was a really cool idea, but wasn't executed properly.

I'd totally watch a Wan mini-series spinoff.

Eh, I'd probably prefer a mini-series about the next Earth Kingdom Avatar after Korra.

Do you guys think a member of the Foggy Swamp Tribe has ever been Avatar?

[The Flood]

I'd totally watch a Wan mini-series spinoff.

Eh, I'd probably prefer a mini-series about the next Earth Kingdom Avatar after Korra.
Do you guys think a member of the Foggy Swamp Tribe has ever been Avatar?

It depends how long the tribe has existed, and how many members it has in total.