The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[Laerod]

I suppose that's true. Regardless, I wouldn't expect any opposing force to appear over the horizon and save the day, due to this still being an early-mid episode in the season.

Yeah, but that's for meta reasons. It doesn't mean that delaying actions are the wrong thing to do even if we know they're doomed to fail.

[United States of Natan]

The giant army that is currently doing nothing.

It's not exactly unreasonable to see this as a bluff, given Korra's generally positive image towards Kuvira, her lack of knowledge of her recent actions, and the fact that Kuvira hails from Zaufo.

And Avatar Dingus buys into her spiel in the time it takes me to microwave a corndog.

I can confirm this (had microwavable corndogs for dinner last night). I am frankly surprised that Korra is Aanging the whole thing. Typically, she would march right over there, tell her its over, and remove the army at once, and if Kuvira refuses, then I could imagine Kuvira attacking Korra, and then Korra countering with an air/earth blast. Then the fight gets really rough, and just after Kuvira lands a seemingly devastating blow, Korra enters the Avatar State, fight resumes, Korra defeats Kuvira, and bam, show over.

[Jaslandia]

And Avatar Dingus buys into her spiel in the time it takes me to microwave a corndog.

I can confirm this (had microwavable corndogs for dinner last night). I am frankly surprised that Korra is Aanging the whole thing. Typically, she would march right over there, tell her its over, and remove the army at once, and if Kuvira refuses, then I could imagine Kuvira attacking Korra, and then Korra countering with an air/earth blast. Then the fight gets really rough, and just after Kuvira lands a seemingly devastating blow, Korra enters the Avatar State, fight resumes, Korra defeats Kuvira, and bam, show over.

My guess is that due to both Korra's past experience, combined with her not being the same after her encounter with Zaheer, Korra just doesn't have the same violent streak in her. She's calmer now.

[The Flood]

no
her hair isnt gold and spiky, she's a human

To elaborate within Dragon ball characters did not need to be within the various super saiyan forms to have a yellow aura and both non-super saiyan and non-saiyan characters would at times display a yellow aura (though I am pretty sure Toriyama did not think too hard about it). I do however wonder why Mavorpen gave Korra a yellow aura instead of the more stock standard white/blueish aura that many humans were portrayed as generating, especially since that would mesh with her avatar state so well.

I don't think anyone ever has a gold aura except for Super Saiyans, and occasionally standard Saiyans.

[Ameriganastan]

I can confirm this (had microwavable corndogs for dinner last night). I am frankly surprised that Korra is Aanging the whole thing. Typically, she would march right over there, tell her its over, and remove the army at once, and if Kuvira refuses, then I could imagine Kuvira attacking Korra, and then Korra countering with an air/earth blast. Then the fight gets really rough, and just after Kuvira lands a seemingly devastating blow, Korra enters the Avatar State, fight resumes, Korra defeats Kuvira, and bam, show over.

My guess is that due to both Korra's past experience, combined with her not being the same after her encounter with Zaheer, Korra just doesn't have the same violent streak in her. She's calmer now.

Which is bad. Violent Korra would be helpful here. Kick Kuvira's ass, problem solved.

[Jaslandia]

My guess is that due to both Korra's past experience, combined with her not being the same after her encounter with Zaheer, Korra just doesn't have the same violent streak in her. She's calmer now.

Which is bad. Violent Korra would be helpful here. Kick Kuvira's ass, problem solved.

As many others have said before, Korra doesn't know the full extent of Kuvira atrocities, so Korra probably thinks "Well, it wouldn't hurt to at least try to negotiate." While we as the audience know Kuvira isn't the type of person to step down easily, Korra doesn't know that; the only time Korra met Kuvira (as far as we know) was when Kuvira saved Korra's father and helped battle Zaheer.

[Ameriganastan]

Which is bad. Violent Korra would be helpful here. Kick Kuvira's ass, problem solved.

As many others have said before, Korra doesn't know the full extent of Kuvira atrocities, so Korra probably thinks "Well, it wouldn't hurt to at least try to negotiate." While we as the audience know Kuvira isn't the type of person to step down easily, Korra doesn't know that; the only time Korra met Kuvira (as far as we know) was when Kuvira saved Korra's father and helped battle Zaheer.

Like not knowing anything has stopped her from picking fights before. Dumb Korra could conceivably fix this in a jiffy.

[Jaslandia]

As many others have said before, Korra doesn't know the full extent of Kuvira atrocities, so Korra probably thinks "Well, it wouldn't hurt to at least try to negotiate." While we as the audience know Kuvira isn't the type of person to step down easily, Korra doesn't know that; the only time Korra met Kuvira (as far as we know) was when Kuvira saved Korra's father and helped battle Zaheer.

Like not knowing anything has stopped her from picking fights before. Dumb Korra could conceivably fix this in a jiffy.

I think your first sentence is completely correct (we all remember when Korra manhandled and threatened a judge in Season 2). However, I would argue this isn't a case of her being stupid, just her having a different attitude toward violence after her experiences. Korra now believes that with the previous villains she encountered (Amon, Unalaq, and Zaheer), violence didn't quite work, and thus it won't work now.

[Rich and Corporations]

Dumb Korra could conceivably fix this in a jiffy.

She's still dumb, she's rushing headlong into things, except this time, she's negotiating.

[Ameriganastan]

Dumb Korra could conceivably fix this in a jiffy.

She's still dumb, she's rushing headlong into things, except this time, she's negotiating.

She negotiated for 3 seconds. Then she fell on Kuvira's side like the putz she still is. Only now she's a non-violent putz. So she's twice as useless.

[United States of Natan]

Like not knowing anything has stopped her from picking fights before. Dumb Korra could conceivably fix this in a jiffy.

I think your first sentence is completely correct (we all remember when Korra manhandled and threatened a judge in Season 2). However, I would argue this isn't a case of her being stupid, just her having a different attitude toward violence after her experiences. Korra now believes that with the previous villains she encountered (Amon, Unalaq, and Zaheer), violence didn't quite work, and thus it won't work now.

Kuvira still has thousands, if not millions, of supporters. if Korra straight up scares her into abdicating, or kills her, I have a feeling she would be martyred and Korra would not be in a good position.

[Schwabenreich]

To elaborate within Dragon ball characters did not need to be within the various super saiyan forms to have a yellow aura and both non-super saiyan and non-saiyan characters would at times display a yellow aura (though I am pretty sure Toriyama did not think too hard about it). I do however wonder why Mavorpen gave Korra a yellow aura instead of the more stock standard white/blueish aura that many humans were portrayed as generating, especially since that would mesh with her avatar state so well.

I don't think anyone ever has a gold aura except for Super Saiyans, and occasionally standard Saiyans.

I'm somewhat inclined to continue this in telegrams rather than in the thread if you're up for that but my immediate reply will be to point out the examples from Dragon Ball Wikia which has a gallery of yellow auras screen captures. Tienshinhan, Garlic Junior and even Piccolo on some occassions displayed yellow auras. Also Cell but he is implied to be using a lot of saiyan techniques including a variation of their super saiyan form. Finally there is Shinryū (Shenron) and Porunga. You're quite right that standard saiyans also had gold auras, such as Nappa, pre-super saiyan Goku (and Ginyu in his body), pre-super saiyan Gohan and Trunks too. pretty much all of the saiyans in the main cast had a yellow aura when not in super saiyan after unlocking it. You could argue that this is a thing of the animators of the anime adaption because Toriyama had no real plan in mind when drawing the manga. Within the new coloured version of the manga the auras change every few panels, as well as some of the colours of clothes.. so consistency is never going to be a thing where auras are concerned. Oh yeah, and there is a definite precedent of giving characters normally with white or blue auras a yellow tinge such as Freeza here.

[The Flood]

I don't think anyone ever has a gold aura except for Super Saiyans, and occasionally standard Saiyans.

I'm somewhat inclined to continue this in telegrams rather than in the thread if you're up for that but my immediate reply will be to point out the examples from Dragon Ball Wikia which has a gallery of yellow auras screen captures. Tienshinhan, Garlic Junior and even Piccolo on some occassions displayed yellow auras. Also Cell but he is implied to be using a lot of saiyan techniques including a variation of their super saiyan form. Finally there is Shinryū (Shenron) and Porunga. You're quite right that standard saiyans also had gold auras, such as Nappa, pre-super saiyan Goku (and Ginyu in his body), pre-super saiyan Gohan and Trunks too. pretty much all of the saiyans in the main cast had a yellow aura when not in super saiyan after unlocking it. You could argue that this is a thing of the animators of the anime adaption because Toriyama had no real plan in mind when drawing the manga. Within the new coloured version of the manga the auras change every few panels, as well as some of the colours of clothes.. so consistency is never going to be a thing where auras are concerned. Oh yeah, and there is a definite precedent of giving characters normally with white or blue auras a yellow tinge such as Freeza here.

That's just wrong, yellow aura does not suit Frieza at all!

[New haven america]

My guess is that due to both Korra's past experience, combined with her not being the same after her encounter with Zaheer, Korra just doesn't have the same violent streak in her. She's calmer now.

Which is bad. Violent Korra would be helpful here. Kick Kuvira's ass, problem solved.

This^

But they do have to pad it out to fill the contractually obligated 13 episodes.

[Laerod]

My guess is that due to both Korra's past experience, combined with her not being the same after her encounter with Zaheer, Korra just doesn't have the same violent streak in her. She's calmer now.

Which is bad. Violent Korra would be helpful here. Kick Kuvira's ass, problem solved.

Nonsense. Violent Korra might be able to save Zaofu for a day, but would give Kuvira or whoever comes next the tools they need to fuel an Earth Kingdom persecution complex.

[Ameriganastan]

Nonsense. Violent Korra might be able to save Zaofu for a day, but would give Kuvira or whoever comes next the tools they need to fuel an Earth Kingdom persecution complex.

Safe for a day is better than not safe at all. Which it is now.

[Licana]

It was already safe for a day. :/

[Ameriganastan]

It was already safe for a day. :/

Right. Cause nothing says safe like a nutjob about to storm the place...

[Licana]

It was still a day given to rally defenses or evacuate noncombatants.

The end result would have been the same in either case.

[Ameriganastan]

It was still a day given to rally defenses or evacuate noncombatants.

The end result would have been the same in either case.

Avatar follows Star Wars rules. Take out the leader, automatic win.

[Licana]

Ozai had his entire powerbase subverted by Zuko before being neutralized.
Amon's organization crumbled after his deception was revealed.
No one cares about Unalaq. Besides, he was p. much an independent operator by the end of things.
Zaheer was the last man standing of his small group.

So yeah, not seeing that.

[Ameriganastan]

All of those still count. And instead of doing the semi-sensible thing, Avatar Peacenik is gonna do squat until Kuvira probably take the city.

[Licana]

To be honest, if Su's preemptive strike happens, she'd be perfectly justified in taking the city. Even if she isn't bluffing when saying she'll storm the city in a day (she probably isn't), her actions would have likely been seen as illegitimate. The same holds true for any hostile actions Korra could/would take as well.

So tell me, what exactly would the point be to justifying Kuvira's actions? Especially since the world's leaders didn't see fit to illegitimize her power over her army after she made her claim over the Earth Kingdom, nor have they really expressed any concerns of her overstepping her bounds prior to that to our knowledge. You're literally saying Korra should turn Zaufo into the bad guy while martyring someone that would be considered a hero to a whole lot of people in the Earth Kingdom.

[United States of Natan]

All of those still count. And instead of doing the semi-sensible thing, Avatar Peacenik is gonna do squat until Kuvira probably take the city.

So what would you have said, Ameri, if Korra ended it right then and there, but Kuvira was martyred? She had plenty of supporters. And what would you have said if that was Aang in that position? there is no way Aang would be caught dead killing someone.

[Ameriganastan]

All of those still count. And instead of doing the semi-sensible thing, Avatar Peacenik is gonna do squat until Kuvira probably take the city.

So what would you have said, Ameri, if Korra ended it right then and there, but Kuvira was martyred? She had plenty of supporters. And what would you have said if that was Aang in that position? there is no way Aang would be caught dead killing someone.

Aang never would have let this shit happen in the first place. He was actually good at being the Avatar.