The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[Ameriganastan]

Not to mention that forced labour is pretty standard within military forces, exceptions being the modern period which the world of Legend of Korra might not be in, being rather young in industrialisation (though making electrical marvels we can not because there is some fantasy to it right?) If it continued after the war I would be more worried. Also is this forced labour of criminals, or prisoners of war here? Even if they blurt about forced labour to Korra she still can't jump to conclusions on this.

...You're trying to justify slave labor? You people will just do anything to ignore Korra's idiocy, won't you?

[Licana]

Yeah, we, the audience, the people watching that show, those privy to the scenes where Kuvira admits to what she does, we know that.

Korra does not.

Pretty sure she sees the GIANT EFFING ARMY outside the city.

The giant army that is currently doing nothing.

It's not exactly unreasonable to see this as a bluff, given Korra's generally positive image towards Kuvira, her lack of knowledge of her recent actions, and the fact that Kuvira hails from Zaufo.

[Schwabenreich]

Not to mention that forced labour is pretty standard within military forces, exceptions being the modern period which the world of Legend of Korra might not be in, being rather young in industrialisation (though making electrical marvels we can not because there is some fantasy to it right?) If it continued after the war I would be more worried. Also is this forced labour of criminals, or prisoners of war here? Even if they blurt about forced labour to Korra she still can't jump to conclusions on this.

...You're trying to justify slave labor? You people will just do anything to ignore Korra's idiocy, won't you?

I just edited it a bit because I didn't see it had been replied to. Also my own personal views on forced labour don't even come into it, a conflict (even a fictional one) is bigger than that.

[Ameriganastan]

The giant army that is currently doing nothing.

It's not exactly unreasonable to see this as a bluff, given Korra's generally positive image towards Kuvira, her lack of knowledge of her recent actions, and the fact that Kuvira hails from Zaufo.

She met Kuvira once. Three years later, she's got a goddamn army ready to storm Zao-Fu. And Avatar Dingus buys into her spiel in the time it takes me to microwave a corndog. Try and make it sound like you want, Korra is just screwing up again.

[Licana]

The giant army that is currently doing nothing.

It's not exactly unreasonable to see this as a bluff, given Korra's generally positive image towards Kuvira, her lack of knowledge of her recent actions, and the fact that Kuvira hails from Zaufo.

She met Kuvira once. Three years later, she's got a goddamn army ready to storm Zao-Fu. And Avatar Dingus buys into her spiel in the time it takes me to microwave a corndog. Try and make it sound like you want, Korra is just screwing up again.

Yep, she met the woman that saved her father once. That'll leave a fairly good impression on a person, generally.

Additionally, you're still trying to apply what you know to a character that can't possibly know half of what the show explicitly states for the audience. To an outsider, the army is just part of the intimidation tactics that Kuvira is known for. I should also note that the Avatar only agreed to act as a mediator between the two people as a way to prevent a conflict from arising which, you'll note, is kind of a big part of the Avatar's job. In fact, the screw up here is going to be Su's preemptive strike, which will undercut that goodwill and give Kuvira the justification to launch an attack without raising the ire of the other nations. So really, assuming the Avatar doesn't stop that or Su doesn't back off, that's going to be the real screw up in this operation.

Stay mad though, your impotent rage against petty and nonsensical things is infinitely amusing. :>

[Schwabenreich]

She met Kuvira once. Three years later, she's got a goddamn army ready to storm Zao-Fu. And Avatar Dingus buys into her spiel in the time it takes me to microwave a corndog. Try and make it sound like you want, Korra is just screwing up again.

Yep, she met the woman that saved her father once. That'll leave a fairly good impression on a person, generally.

Additionally, you're still trying to apply what you know to a character that can't possibly know half of what the show explicitly states for the audience. To an outsider, the army is just part of the intimidation tactics that Kuvira is known for. I should also note that the Avatar only agreed to act as a mediator between the two people as a way to prevent a conflict from arising which, you'll note, is kind of a big part of the Avatar's job. In fact, the screw up here is going to be Su's preemptive strike, which will undercut that goodwill and give Kuvira the justification to launch an attack without raising the ire of the other nations. So really, assuming the Avatar doesn't stop that or Su doesn't back off, that's going to be the real screw up in this operation.

Stay mad though, your impotent rage against petty and nonsensical things is infinitely amusing. :>

I'm glad I delayed in replying because this is far better than I could have done and worth waiting for. Agree completely.

[Ameriganastan]

Yep, she met the woman that saved her father once. That'll leave a fairly good impression on a person, generally.

Cause that totally excuses everything Kuvira is doing. Maybe when Korra pulls her head out of her ass, she'll realize that. But, more likely, she'll be totally on Kuvira's side like the schmuck she is.

[Laerod]

Yeah, we, the audience, the people watching that show, those privy to the scenes where Kuvira admits to what she does, we know that.

Korra does not.

Pretty sure she sees the GIANT EFFING ARMY outside the city.

And?

[Schwabenreich]

Yep, she met the woman that saved her father once. That'll leave a fairly good impression on a person, generally.

Cause that totally excuses everything Kuvira is doing. Maybe when Korra pulls her head out of her ass, she'll realize that. But, more likely, she'll be totally on Kuvira's side like the schmuck she is.

That sentence doesn't explicitly say the impression excuses anything, but it deserves a hear out, by eastern standards Korra would look disrespectful to do anything less and as Licana pointed out, Korra does not know everything Kuvira did, she hasn't had some incredibly informative brief on the events, she went from swamp to Zaofu on a bison with airbenders who themselves probably are not too up to date on events and might be a little biased themselves

So you nitpicked that line, will the rest of Licana's reply be addressed?

[Ameriganastan]

Just for a reminder, here's how that little discussion basically went.

"I'm here to talk."

"People disagree with me."

"No way, people disagree with me too! Let's be friends!"

3 years, and she's still a gullible moron.

[Laerod]

Just for a reminder, here's how that little discussion basically went.

"I'm here to talk."

"People disagree with me."

"No way, people disagree with me too! Let's be friends!"

3 years, and she's still a gullible moron.

Nonsense. She used to be the kind of person that threatened to kill judges. Now she's willing to hear people out and act on evidence rather than gut feeling.

[Ameriganastan]

That sentence doesn't explicitly say the impression excuses anything, but it deserves a hear out, by eastern standards Korra would look disrespectful to do anything less and as Licana pointed out, Korra does not know everything Kuvira did, she hasn't had some incredibly informative brief on the events, she went from swamp to Zaofu on a bison with airbenders who themselves probably are not too up to date on events and might be a little biased themselves.

She knows there's a GIANT. FUCKING. ARMY. outside the city. I love how you guys keep glossing over that fact, cause it makes her look like the idiot she is.

[Ameriganastan]

Nonsense. She used to be the kind of person that threatened to kill judges. Now she's willing to hear people out and act on evidence rather than gut feeling.

And her gut is wrong. AGAIN. Cause she's a MORON.

[Schwabenreich]

Just for a reminder, here's how that little discussion basically went.

"I'm here to talk."

"People disagree with me."

"No way, people disagree with me too! Let's be friends!"

3 years, and she's still a gullible moron.

It seems to me like a very simple form of diplomacy, sympathising with someone makes them more agreeable to you. Probably will do nothing to deter Kuvira's set in steel actions but you expect your protagonists to be prophetic?

[Laerod]

That sentence doesn't explicitly say the impression excuses anything, but it deserves a hear out, by eastern standards Korra would look disrespectful to do anything less and as Licana pointed out, Korra does not know everything Kuvira did, she hasn't had some incredibly informative brief on the events, she went from swamp to Zaofu on a bison with airbenders who themselves probably are not too up to date on events and might be a little biased themselves.

She knows there's a GIANT. FUCKING. ARMY. outside the city. I love how you guys keep glossing over that fact, cause it makes her look like the idiot she is.

The army in and of itself doesn't mean anything. It's indicative of Kuvira being willing to take Zaofu by force, but indicates nothing regarding the legitimacy of that.

[Laerod]

Nonsense. She used to be the kind of person that threatened to kill judges. Now she's willing to hear people out and act on evidence rather than gut feeling.

And her gut is wrong. AGAIN. Cause she's a MORON.

She's not a moron for being unaware of things the audience knows.

[Ameriganastan]

The army in and of itself doesn't mean anything.

Thank you for proving my point.

Come the next episode, know I'm going to point out every screw-up Avatar Imbecile incurs cause she trusted an obvious bad guy. AGAIN.

Have a good time ignoring all her flaws, I'm going to play TF2.

[Schwabenreich]

She knows there's a GIANT. FUCKING. ARMY. outside the city. I love how you guys keep glossing over that fact, cause it makes her look like the idiot she is.

What she doesn't know is if she can mediate the conflict without engaging that 'GIANT.FUCKING.ARMY' in violence. When the earth kingdom attempted to reclaim the fire kingdom colonies after the last big war Aang was able to settle the dispute between the earth and fire kingdoms before violence broke out thus setting an inhistory precedent for her actions. Biggest difference is she is arriving to a conflict late, not before it begins and she has not bothered to get proper council on the conflict but she isn't perfect, protagonists aren't meant to be perfect, people aren't perfect, but it doesn't necessarily make her ignoring evidence, but ignorant of adequate evidence.

[Licana]

Yep, she met the woman that saved her father once. That'll leave a fairly good impression on a person, generally.

Cause that totally excuses everything Kuvira is doing. Maybe when Korra pulls her head out of her ass, she'll realize that. But, more likely, she'll be totally on Kuvira's side like the schmuck she is.

You're pulling the wrong conclusions out of this. What Korra knows Kuvira is doing pretty much comes down to "using questionable means and potentially overstepping her bounds to bring the Earth Kingdom/Empire back into line." Getting out there and least talking to her isn't a bad idea, as it gives her more insight into Kuvira's methods and motives while hopefully delaying violence. With the context of what she knows, playing the mediator is just the best move.

Also, way to latch on to the initial throw-away comment instead of addressing the main points. I guess you couldn't figure out a rebuttal?

[Laerod]

The army in and of itself doesn't mean anything.

Thank you for proving my point.

Come the next episode, know I'm going to point out every screw-up Avatar Imbecile incurs cause she trusted an obvious bad guy. AGAIN.

You're basing your judgement on facts that only the audience and select few people are aware of. To someone in Korra's position, it's everything but obvious. In fact, Suyin going off to "end this" in Kuvira's tent means that from Korra's perspective, Kuvira is pretty justified in bringing military forces to subdue Zaofu.

Have a good time ignoring all her flaws, I'm going to play TF2.

This is probably for the best. It appears that watching shows only makes you mad and you should probably avoid doing that and then discussing them with people afterwards.

[Laerod]

You're pulling the wrong conclusions out of this. What Korra knows Kuvira is doing pretty much comes down to "using questionable means and potentially overstepping her bounds to bring the Earth Kingdom/Empire back into line." Getting out there and least talking to her isn't a bad idea, as it gives her more insight into Kuvira's methods and motives while hopefully delaying violence. With the context of what she knows, playing the mediator is just the best move.

Not to mention it would provide more time for the UR to show up.

[Licana]

To be honest, any external party would not likely arrive in time no matter how much delaying went on. It takes a long time to mobilize an army, and would take an equally long (if not greater) time to move them from their base of operations to Zaufo.

[Schwabenreich]

To be honest, any external party would not likely arrive in time no matter how much delaying went on. It takes a long time to mobilize an army, and would take an equally long (if not greater) time to move them from their base of operations to Zaufo.

Avatar hasn't exactly been great with logistics though, it very much subscribes to dramatic timing.

[Licana]

I suppose that's true. Regardless, I wouldn't expect any opposing force to appear over the horizon and save the day, due to this still being an early-mid episode in the season.

[Schwabenreich]

I suppose that's true. Regardless, I wouldn't expect any opposing force to appear over the horizon and save the day, due to this still being an early-mid episode in the season.

Agreed.