The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[Blasveck]

Besides, this is what, episode 2? There's no reason not to believe the show won't end on a high note, unless you somehow know or realistically predict that the show will end on a low-note, which frankly I don't see any supporting evidence for that to happen.

Oh, BIasveck. I envy your optimism.

The writers on this show have screwed up time and time again. Korra fucked up in the first 2 episodes of season 2, and it was the worst season by far. And this is going to be no different, cause they tossed aside all her development again so we can get Season 1 Korra in the end.

This whole series was a letdown, and it's going to end as a letdown.

Feel free to think that way, I won't stop you.

I do, however, have to question the motives of a person who continually subjects himself to a show and yet believes in its lack of quality while simultaneously complaining about the lack of quality.

It's like you're a walking caricature or something.

[Ameriganastan]

Feel free to think that way, I won't stop you.

I do, however, have to question the motives of a person who continually subjects himself to a show and yet believes in its lack of quality while simultaneously complaining about the lack of quality.

It's like you're a walking caricature or something.

Cause I'm a fanboy. I wind up sitting through crappy sequels to stuff I enjoyed.

Sat through the Star Wars prequels.
Sat through Voyager.
Sat through Sengoku Basara: Judge End.

And I'm gonna sit through Korra.

[Licana]

Secondly, what the hell are you talking about? Are cartoon characters not able to suffer from mental illnesses because...they're cartoons? Do you understand fiction at all and the nature of it?

Korra doesn't have a frigging mental illness. Her personality is a bunch of lines written on a piece of paper. All we need is someone not totally incompetent to pick up the frigging pencil, and this show can end on a high-note. Not another repeat of season 1 and 2.

itt: writing realistic characters with realistic problems is bad.

[Ameriganastan]

Korra doesn't have a frigging mental illness. Her personality is a bunch of lines written on a piece of paper. All we need is someone not totally incompetent to pick up the frigging pencil, and this show can end on a high-note. Not another repeat of season 1 and 2.

itt: writing realistic characters with realistic problems is bad.

Yeah, so realistic. With the spirits and bending and such...

[Licana]

He said, as if that changes anything regarding how people work and what good writing is.

Are you being intentionally obtuse or are such simple concepts really so difficult to grasp?

[Ameriganastan]

I'm just saying, don't try and claim realism in a show about elemental magic and spirits.

[Licana]

What you're saying, in the context of the discussion, is retarded. It's like saying people from the middle ages couldn't be traumatized because there wasn't gunpowder weapons and alarm clocks.

You should really stick to incessantly whining about how Korra isn't Aang with tits.

[Blasveck]

I'm just saying, don't try and claim realism in a show about elemental magic and spirits.

It isn't realistic when put into the context of our world, but in the context of the ATLA world, such things are normal, as is writing realistic characters with realistic problems. And the context of our world is irrelevant anyways. It plays no part in the show, nor any piece of fiction.

Context matters, yo.

[Ameriganastan]

What you're saying, in the context of the discussion, is retarded. It's like saying people from the middle ages couldn't be traumatized because there wasn't gunpowder weapons and alarm clocks.

You should really stick to incessantly whining about how Korra isn't Aang with tits.

That's the second time I've gotten the "Aang with tits" line. You people realize her gender doesn't matter to me, right? I hate the character. Not her gender.

[Licana]

You do realize that isn't a jab at what you think of the character's gender, right?

You do realize that this should be p. obvious, right?

[Feroxi]

That's the second time I've gotten the "Aang with tits" line. You people realize her gender doesn't matter to me, right? I hate the character. Not her gender.

Personally, I find Korra a little bit annoying, too. But, I think it's because I've gotten so used to Aang's awesome personality. It makes sense Korra would be so different- despite being Aang's new reincarnation, she's a totally different person with totally different circumstances.

Any way, I want to make a LoK/ATLA role-play. It would take place after the Legend of Korra, but still about the same tech-level, if not a teensiest bit more advanced. The world is in a fragile state after Korra's untimely death. The Earth Kingdom is in civil war with numerous villages and provinces vying for control; one of the most powerful being a city state of metal benders that's conquering and assimilating swathes of former Kingdom territory. The Fire Nation and the Water Tribes prepare to go to war, Republic City/the United Republic of Nations is seeing increasing corruption, and the Air Nomads attempt to act as peace keepers in the conflicts. I also plan on adding many more, "homemade," factions, such as a non-bender regime and stuff.

I also had this idea that Korra died in the Avatar State, which means there would be no more Avatar. Or, so everyone thinks. Then, my character, a fire bender, turns out to be the new Avatar. Or something.

Thoughts, anyone?

[Ameriganastan]

Personally, I find Korra a little bit annoying, too. But, I think it's because I've gotten so used to Aang's awesome personality. It makes sense Korra would be so different- despite being Aang's new reincarnation, she's a totally different person with totally different circumstances.

Aang is dead, and he's still a better Avatar than her. That picture in the food hut was the best part of the episode.

[Blasveck]

That's the second time I've gotten the "Aang with tits" line. You people realize her gender doesn't matter to me, right? I hate the character. Not her gender.

Personally, I find Korra a little bit annoying, too. But, I think it's because I've gotten so used to Aang's awesome personality. It makes sense Korra would be so different- despite being Aang's new reincarnation, she's a totally different person with totally different circumstances.

Any way, I want to make a LoK/ATLA role-play. It would take place after the Legend of Korra, but still about the same tech-level, if not a teensiest bit more advanced. The world is in a fragile state after Korra's untimely death. The Earth Kingdom is in civil war with numerous villages and provinces vying for control; one of the most powerful being a city state of metal benders that's conquering and assimilating swathes of former Kingdom territory. The Fire Nation and the Water Tribes prepare to go to war, Republic City/the United Republic of Nations is seeing increasing corruption, and the Air Nomads attempt to act as peace keepers in the conflicts. I also plan on adding many more, "homemade," factions, such as a non-bender regime and stuff.

I also had this idea that Korra died in the Avatar State, which means there would be no more Avatar. Or, so everyone thinks. Then, my character, a fire bender, turns out to be the new Avatar. Or something.

Thoughts, anyone?

Might be better to take roleplay into the actual roleplay forum, Portal to the Multiverse.

[Laerod]

Loved the episode. Korra dealing with a shitton of frustration has been interesting, and I'm curious to see how the avatar hallucinations play out and whether they're proper hallucinations at all if spirits can see them too. It puts an interesting spin on why she's running away or whether she's running towards something, as the fight in the cage implied.

Also, here's hoping Toph reveals that Zuko and Sokka are Lin and Suyin's fathers >=D

If the spirit's can honestly see it, then it's most likely the partially severed spirit of Raava.

It also makes her avoiding Republic City far more reasonable.

If the spirit's can honestly see it, then it's most likely the partially severed spirit of Raava.

AKA, the DEM bullshit solution for season 4.

Nonsense. A DEM is an unexpected intervention by a force outside of the previous narrative to solve the conflict the protagonist faces.

[Laerod]

The writers on this show have screwed up time and time again. Korra fucked up in the first 2 episodes of season 2, and it was the worst season by far. And this is going to be no different, cause they tossed aside all her development again so we can get Season 1 Korra in the end.

Objectively false. This entire episode has been about character development for Korra. In fact, it's put an entirely different spin on the scenes we saw at the end of the last episode by adding context that wasn't there previously. Character development being character development is not contingent on you liking it.

[Laerod]

What you're saying, in the context of the discussion, is retarded. It's like saying people from the middle ages couldn't be traumatized because there wasn't gunpowder weapons and alarm clocks.

You should really stick to incessantly whining about how Korra isn't Aang with tits.

That's the second time I've gotten the "Aang with tits" line. You people realize her gender doesn't matter to me, right? I hate the character. Not her gender.

You're missing the point of the criticism. You're being criticized for being disappointed that Korra isn't a carbon copy of Aang in terms of personality.

[Chelta]

Well that episode was an epic wtf.

[Ameriganastan]

Objectively false. This entire episode has been about character development for Korra. In fact, it's put an entirely different spin on the scenes we saw at the end of the last episode by adding context that wasn't there previously. Character development being character development is not contingent on you liking it.

Right. I forget throwing a tantrum and running away counts as development...

You're missing the point of the criticism. You're being criticized for being disappointed that Korra isn't a carbon copy of Aang in terms of personality.

I'm criticizing her cause she's selfish, whiny and a sucky fighter. It has nothing to do with Aang.

[Laerod]

Objectively false. This entire episode has been about character development for Korra. In fact, it's put an entirely different spin on the scenes we saw at the end of the last episode by adding context that wasn't there previously. Character development being character development is not contingent on you liking it.

Right. I forget throwing a tantrum and running away counts as development...

The episode put the running into an entirely different context. For one, she's running away from an apparition that was real to her. Secondly, she stopped running away and started running towards. So yeah, it is character development. You've not only forgotten that, you're actively in denial about what the show is depicting.

You're missing the point of the criticism. You're being criticized for being disappointed that Korra isn't a carbon copy of Aang in terms of personality.

I'm criticizing her cause she's selfish, whiny and a sucky fighter. It has nothing to do with Aang.

By comparing her to Aang all the time. Aang didn't do this, Aang that, Aang is so much better. You even admit it.

[Ameriganastan]

The episode put the running into an entirely different context. For one, she's running away from an apparition that was real to her. Secondly, she stopped running away and started running towards. So yeah, it is character development. You've not only forgotten that, you're actively in denial about what the show is depicting.

You can context it until doomsday. She still whined, lied and ran. Just like old times. Which proves she hasn't developed a bit.

By comparing her to Aang all the time. Aang didn't do this, Aang that, Aang is so much better. You even admit it.

...Okay, you got me there. Doesn't make my points any less valid.

[Laerod]

The episode put the running into an entirely different context. For one, she's running away from an apparition that was real to her. Secondly, she stopped running away and started running towards. So yeah, it is character development. You've not only forgotten that, you're actively in denial about what the show is depicting.

You can context it until doomsday. She still whined, lied and ran. Just like old times. Which proves she hasn't developed a bit.

Nope. Not like old times. The show clearly contradicts your statement. It even adds a callback to Zuko cutting his hair to drive the point home.

By comparing her to Aang all the time. Aang didn't do this, Aang that, Aang is so much better. You even admit it.

...Okay, you got me there. Doesn't make my points any less valid.

You're correct. The constant repetition has no meaningful impact on it being a largely invalid point. I nearly screamed at Katara. "Look at how someone that had it much worse than you handled things" is typically a terrible, callous thing to tell someone recovering from trauma.

[Ameriganastan]

Nope. Not like old times. The show clearly contradicts your statement. It even adds a callback to Zuko cutting his hair to drive the point home.

Exiled prince running from his insane sister.
Whiny brat running from people trying to help her ungrateful ass.

Yeah, they're like two sides of the same coin...

You're correct. The constant repetition has no meaningful impact on it being a largely invalid point. I nearly screamed at Katara. "Look at how someone that had it much worse than you handled things" is typically a terrible, callous thing to tell someone recovering from trauma.

Oh, please. It was exactly what she needed to hear. Don't be mad at Katara for telling Avatar Crybaby the truth.

Now, Team Fortress 2 is calling my name. Away I go.

[Laerod]

Nope. Not like old times. The show clearly contradicts your statement. It even adds a callback to Zuko cutting his hair to drive the point home.

Exiled prince running from his insane sister.
Whiny brat running from people trying to help her ungrateful ass.

Yeah, they're like two sides of the same coin...

The hair cutting is a symbol of a major change, the beginning of a new life. That the changes are for different reasons is irrelevant. Mind you, she wasn't running from people trying to help her. Her running is motivated at first by wanting to avoid the apparition, then by wanting to find Raava, then by wanting to confront the apparition. In fact, your earlier assertion has turned out to be primarily false as the cage fight scene turned out to be her facing her problems rather than running from them.

You're correct. The constant repetition has no meaningful impact on it being a largely invalid point. I nearly screamed at Katara. "Look at how someone that had it much worse than you handled things" is typically a terrible, callous thing to tell someone recovering from trauma.

Oh, please. It was exactly what she needed to hear. Don't be mad at Katara for telling Avatar Crybaby the truth.

If you ever meet anyone that's been traumatized or is dealing with depression, do them a big favor and keep your vile opinion on how to help them entirely to yourself.

[Ameriganastan]

The hair cutting is a symbol of a major change, the beginning of a new life. That the changes are for different reasons is irrelevant.

It wasn't a symbol of anything.

She got her ass handed to her by Level 1 bad guys, and just changed her look so people wouldn't recognize her and mock the Avatar for going down like Glass Joe.

Mind you, she wasn't running from people trying to help her.

Gee, that's odd.

Cause I clearly remember everyone doing their best to support her, and her running off like a five year old after losing a sparring session.

That's exactly what she did.

Her running is motivated at first by wanting to avoid the apparition, then by wanting to find Raava, then by wanting to confront the apparition.

Her running away is motivated by selfishness, self-pity and a good dose of dishonesty.

In fact, your earlier assertion has turned out to be primarily false as the cage fight scene turned out to be her facing her problems rather than running from them.

Right. Cause running away for 6 months, lying and getting into cage matches means she's "Facing her problems".

It took that adorable spirit thing to get her there. Without him, she'd still be in her little bubble of "Oh, my life is so hard."

So there. Sleepy time is now.

[Laerod]

The hair cutting is a symbol of a major change, the beginning of a new life. That the changes are for different reasons is irrelevant.

It wasn't a symbol of anything.

She got her ass handed to her by Level 1 bad guys, and just changed her look so people wouldn't recognize her and mock the Avatar for going down like Glass Joe.

The DVD commentary of when Zuko and Iroh do it shows you're wrong. It's an act that symbolizes banishment or letting go of the past in Asian cultures. Arguing that Korra "just changed her look so people wouldn't recognize her" is utterly ignorant of the underlying symbolism and just as invalid as arguing Zuko, Iroh, or Mulan only did it to avoid being recognized for what they were.

Mind you, she wasn't running from people trying to help her.

Gee, that's odd.

Cause I clearly remember everyone doing their best to support her, and her running off like a five year old after losing a sparring session.

That's exactly what she did.

Running off after losing a sparring session? Never happened. She went to visit her friends and then changed her mind on the way.

Her running is motivated at first by wanting to avoid the apparition, then by wanting to find Raava, then by wanting to confront the apparition.

Her running away is motivated by selfishness, self-pity and a good dose of dishonesty.

That may very well end up being what the apparition embodies and it is an awesome way of having her face those flaws =)

In fact, your earlier assertion has turned out to be primarily false as the cage fight scene turned out to be her facing her problems rather than running from them.

Right. Cause running away for 6 months, lying and getting into cage matches means she's "Facing her problems".

It took that fucking adorable spirit thing to get her there. Without him, she'd still be in her little bubble of "Oh, my life is so hard."

Korra doesn't meet the spirit again until after the cage fight. I'm partially speculating she never left the tree, but even in that case, the choice to face her fears in the form of the apparition is her own and not the result of direct help. Running after Raava for six months while being chased by that apparition does indeed constitute a journey towards overcoming her problems and dismissing it as her running away from her problems is childish and blatantly contradicted by the show.

I'm starting to think you simply don't understand the concept of symbolism. If that's the case then I'm truly sorry =<