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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:42 am

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Ehhh, I don't think that I, in good conscience, could vote for EA over Wallmart.


EA's business model is to take over game developers, squeeze every last dime out of their fan bases, and then run them into the ground, just like they're currently doing to bioware. They are the Bain capital of video game firms.


They also ran westwood into the ground, the developer that pretty much invented the RTS genre.

I would say EA is much, much worse than walmart.


Whereas Wallmart just routinely abuses its workers to the point of Human Rights abuses and actual deaths. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate EA, but they're not directly hurting people.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:44 am

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Sorratsin wrote:
EA's business model is to take over game developers, squeeze every last dime out of their fan bases, and then run them into the ground, just like they're currently doing to bioware. They are the Bain capital of video game firms.


They also ran westwood into the ground, the developer that pretty much invented the RTS genre.

I would say EA is much, much worse than walmart.


Whereas Wallmart just routinely abuses its workers to the point of Human Rights abuses and actual deaths. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate EA, but they're not directly hurting people.


Thing about wal mart is that the employees can sue them for tens of millions in damages. We can't sue EA for destroying amazing developers.

That said, I think Wal Mart ought to be broken up for anti trust violations and the assets should go straight to the state coffers.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:51 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
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Whereas Wallmart just routinely abuses its workers to the point of Human Rights abuses and actual deaths. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate EA, but they're not directly hurting people.


Thing about wal mart is that the employees can sue them for tens of millions in damages. We can't sue EA for destroying amazing developers.

That said, I think Wal Mart ought to be broken up for anti trust violations and the assets should go straight to the state coffers.



Completely true, but even barring actively illicit actions, Wal Mart still bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:53 am

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Thing about wal mart is that the employees can sue them for tens of millions in damages. We can't sue EA for destroying amazing developers.

That said, I think Wal Mart ought to be broken up for anti trust violations and the assets should go straight to the state coffers.



Completely true, but even barring actively illicit actions, Wal Mart still bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.


Hence it should be destroyed forever, and any workplace or local government that interferes with organized labor ought to get the hammer dropped on them.
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Postby Raeyh » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:54 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.


Doesn't that describe most companies?
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Postby New Conglomerate » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:56 am

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The Steel Magnolia wrote:bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.


Doesn't that describe most companies?

Most companies don't force their employees to go on welfare rather than paying their benefits.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:57 am

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The Steel Magnolia wrote:bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.


Doesn't that describe most companies?


No, because most companies don't force their employees to work <30 hours a week to avoid having to provide benefits of any kind. Most companies also don't tie up development negotiations until the local government agrees to waive property tax for 15 years, then at 14 years 11 months pack up and close shop to move one town over for the same deal.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:57 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
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Completely true, but even barring actively illicit actions, Wal Mart still bars unionizing, and pays its employees shit.


Hence it should be destroyed forever, and any workplace or local government that interferes with organized labor ought to get the hammer dropped on them.



:clap:

No, I'm serious, Wal Mart is a hideous organization that should be eliminated.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:59 am

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Hence it should be destroyed forever, and any workplace or local government that interferes with organized labor ought to get the hammer dropped on them.



:clap:

No, I'm serious, Wal Mart is a hideous organization that should be eliminated.


So am I. The Waltons should be thrown into the government housing their employees have to live in because they can't pay rent on wal mart wages.
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Postby Coltarin » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:30 am

I loved every thing the combat mechanic was a major step up from the previous games the romance options were so much better, Ashley was a crap ton hotter, Garrus was way more badass. They did multiplayer very well for a series that's never done it before. All in all it was a great experience... until the last 10 minutes and I was sorely disappointed and filled with rage and am still waiting for the DLC
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Postby Divair » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:31 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Hence it should be destroyed forever, and any workplace or local government that interferes with organized labor ought to get the hammer dropped on them.



:clap:

No, I'm serious, Wal Mart is a hideous organization that should be eliminated.

Same with EA.

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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:31 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:

:clap:

No, I'm serious, Wal Mart is a hideous organization that should be eliminated.


So am I. The Waltons should be thrown into the government housing their employees have to live in because they can't pay rent on wal mart wages.


Nah, they'll just go hide in their underground bunker for awhile.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:16 am

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
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So am I. The Waltons should be thrown into the government housing their employees have to live in because they can't pay rent on wal mart wages.


Nah, they'll just go hide in their underground bunker for awhile.


No. They need to be dragged out of their mansions and stripped of assets.
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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:19 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:
Nah, they'll just go hide in their underground bunker for awhile.


No. They need to be dragged out of their mansions and stripped of assets.


They're too entrenched in gold to be able to be stripped of it.
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Postby Raeyh » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:24 am

Coltarin wrote:I loved every thing the combat mechanic was a major step up from the previous games the romance options were so much better, Ashley was a crap ton hotter, Garrus was way more badass. They did multiplayer very well for a series that's never done it before. All in all it was a great experience... until the last 10 minutes and I was sorely disappointed and filled with rage and am still waiting for the DLC


They made combat way too easy, though. Getting all your powers 200% faster simply for not taking heavy guns is overpowered. It makes Insanity difficulty look like a joke.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:31 am

Raeyh wrote:
Coltarin wrote:I loved every thing the combat mechanic was a major step up from the previous games the romance options were so much better, Ashley was a crap ton hotter, Garrus was way more badass. They did multiplayer very well for a series that's never done it before. All in all it was a great experience... until the last 10 minutes and I was sorely disappointed and filled with rage and am still waiting for the DLC


They made combat way too easy, though. Getting all your powers 200% faster simply for not taking heavy guns is overpowered. It makes Insanity difficulty look like a joke.


Especially if you go in with a sniper rifle as a soldier(or infiltrator.) Adrenaline burst every 3 seconds for the... win?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:03 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
They made combat way too easy, though. Getting all your powers 200% faster simply for not taking heavy guns is overpowered. It makes Insanity difficulty look like a joke.


Especially if you go in with a sniper rifle as a soldier(or infiltrator.) Adrenaline burst every 3 seconds for the... win?[/quote]

It's less useful than you think, though. I'm doing my insanity run as an infiltrator, but I honestly don't use my powers too often, since health damage doesn't bleed through full shields anymore, meaning I can't OHKO enemies anymore (at least not with the Mantis, Black Widow, or Viper), and since I can kill in one headshot without cloak, the cooldown really doesn't mean too much to me.


Edit: fixed quote tags.
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Postby Clamparapa » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:07 pm

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Norstal wrote:http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.


I really don't think it was the publisher who dropped the ball on us. It was Bioware.


Think of it like this: EA doesn't like something, they won't publish it, essentially making them own what Bioware does.

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Postby Oterro » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:10 pm

Coltarin wrote:I loved every thing the combat mechanic was a major step up from the previous games the romance options were so much better, Ashley was a crap ton hotter,

Hurray for sexifying women to appeal to sweaty neckbeards!!!!

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Postby Divair » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:13 pm

I wonder what happens if you don't recruit Garrus in ME1.

What happens to him in ME2 and ME3? Do you just recruit Archangel and treat each other as if you just met?

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Postby Grand America » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:35 pm

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First, sorry for the long delay. I've been busy.

Second, I'm going to begin responding:

OK, yes, I know that's not the only reason. I said this myself somewhere after the quote you posted. And I'm not calling anyone who disliked it did so because of those reasons, I'm saying it's one of the reasons I heard. I'm still trying to capture all of them to be able to respond accordingly.

Interesting, an ending where the Reapers win. I, myself, had thought that was going to be one of the endings. And while I do agree that such an ending would have been a very satisfactory addition to the overall game, I do not disagree with their current endings. Primarily because I don't want to lose. Sure, there are those that want to, and you can have Earth get destroyed, but, overall, the war is "won," if you considering having millions of aliens stranded on Earth with no Mass Relays to use to get back to their worlds a win. And even worse if Earth gets destroyed; all of them just die....

Edit: Too much awesome to simply quote, it would do it injustice...plus I'm sure one or two curmudgeons would get irritated..

While I don't necessarily agree with Grand American on every single front, in essence we're on the same page. While the endings weren't what I would have chosen, the simple fact is in the end this was the vision of Bioware and the artists who worked on the game. Sure some of it was community influenced, but in the end it was their vision and their story to tell in the grand scheme of things. The fact that there's not much explained leaves room for just that: for the fans to explain things, rather than gripe and moan because things weren't exactly as people had hoped.

Also given the size and the scope of the ME universe, I doubt that Mass Effect 3 is the last story to be told via video game. The multiplayer could be the start of a side-story to the primary games, or there could be backstory. The point is fair criticism is one thing but covering uber-nerd whining with some big techni-artsy babble is just that, makeup on a Vorcha.


Exactly! That's actually one of the things I've been hearing people complain about (and so, I assume they did the same for Inception). That the story kinda leaves you hanging off a cliff. Maybe we're not supposed to be certain. Maybe this is all just a big story that Bioware told, but wants you to end. If so, I congratulate Bioware.

Because I'm unsure as to who has and hasn't read up on the Indoctrination Theory, I'll (in a spoiler, of course) post about how I see it fits into the Mass Effect universe. It'll be at the end of this post.

That is also correct. I heard the co-founder of Bioware state that more full games are on the way, though I'm not sure about the multiplayer.
Anyway, onto the Indoctrination Theory:

OK, well, for me, the full-blown indoctrination starts near the end of the game, during the final push towards the Citadel Beam. Before I go more in depth for that, I should point out a few highlighters in the rest of the game that will only further assist me in planting this idea into your minds. Back on Earth, during the initial invasion, there was a kid, about 6-7 years old, which you first see playing with a toy SX3 near the building they were holding you. Moments later, after the war had begun, Shepard, once again, finds him in a ventilation duct. Skipping the fact that the kid spoke in a way that no kid of his age would speak, Shepard not only failed to mention to Anderson that there was a goddamn kid running through the ducts, but, also, in one of the novels, when Grayson would break out right before complete Reaper control, a growl could be heard. At this same spot, when Anderson called out to Shepard, that same growl was heard, and, when he looked back, the kid was gone. Are we really going to sit here and think that this likely traumatized kid managed to flip around and leave through the other way of the duct without making any noise at all? And before Shepard could even turn around? I call BS!

Then, once again, once you're on the Normandy and lifting off, you see him again, this time, right in front of a few Kodiak shuttles that were evacuating civilians. Earlier, you saw people helping others onto the shuttles, yet, no one, not the civilians nor Alliance soldiers, thought it'd be a good idea to grab the kid and stuff him onto the shuttle? I mean, hell, the door practically closed on his face. Are we supposed to believe this?

Whatever, let's forget about that then. The nightmares with the kid could be natural, as we're not entirely used to seeing kids die, whether in a video game, or in real life. We'll likely never fully get over the fact that we saw this kid die right in front of us. So it's understandable if he were having nightmares about him. Until the Catalyst is revealed to be that same kid. Then it starts to get a little weird. It'd be justifiable that the kid was used if the Reapers managed to enter Shepard's head and look for the most traumatizing thing they could find. That just so happened to be that kid, and, therefore, used him as an avatar for the Catalyst.

Now, I'm going to act like the kid isn't part of the theory, then. What about a couple different things I think we should all pay attention to? Like, I dunno, James mentioning that he could hear a humming sound? Similar to the ones emitted by Object Rho, maybe? It's understandable. Hell, you have Eva, who was likely built using Reaper tech, and you have EDI, who has Reaper tech. It was only a matter of time before something, somewhere, managed to infect some crew member. And I believe that crew member, or, at least, the most affected, is you.

Think about it: You've spent just the same amount of time near Reaper artifacts in your day as damn near everyone else. Who's to say that you haven't been subtly indoctrinated? Remember, there are two routes the indoctrination can take; Fast and sloppy, or slow and subtle. I believe it was slow and subtle, with the first-ever infection beginning somewhere in the first game. Maybe when you passed through the Conduit, or when you destroyed Sovereign, or maybe even when you killed Saren. Any of these are possibilities. And there are even more in Mass Effect two; You've fought off a human Reaper, was incredibly close to Object Rho for two whole days. Then, in the third, you're quite practically always around Reapers, at one point or another. I believe that, slowly, yet steadily, the Reapers were infecting you.

This all boosted forward when Harbinger shot you with a laser as you attempted to reach the Citadel Beam. Here's the fun part: After a few intense parts, including shooting Anderson, his death, the death of the Illusive Man, and the ultimate answer to the ultimate question: Why? After he explains why it is that they harvest all advanced organic/synthetic life, he promptly begins to explain that his solution will no longer work, and, while he has more options, he's not capable of doing them.
But you are.

OK, first, let's analyze every answer, starting with Control, and moving left.

Control: An interesting topic, considering it was what the Illusive Man believed should be done with the Reapers. Someone to take control of the Reapers, stopping the need for such a chaotic conflict every 50,000 years. Sure, you die, but, hey, whatever man! You stopped the Reapers!

Synthesis: Considered to be the ultimate evolution of organic life, a synthetic/organic combination. Humans could, in theory, do mathematical equations that would normally take several minutes in just a few seconds, without endangering their ability to have emotions and feelings, especially when directed at others. The pinnacle of humanity could be among us...but not everything is as it seems.
We should all know it sounds too good to be true.

Destroy: Ah, that main mission that Shepard has had all along. The real endgame. The destruction of the Reapers, once and for all. Sure, you go ahead and wipe out other synthetic life, like the Geth, and EDI, but, hey, you save organics. Oh, but only for a while, cause, obviously, our children will make AIs again, and we'll be screwed in the future. Pretty crazy, huh?

Well, believe it or not, only one of those is right. I know, it's pretty crazy! Mass Effect actually having a "right answer." You'd think that everything is the right answer, as nothing is ever the wrong answer. At least, not for Shepard. You can face consequences for your actions, but the same goes for Paragon. Endless cycle, kinda like the one we're trying to stop.

But there is a very large difference between choosing one of these three for the galaxy, or for your free will. I'd be surprised, hell, I can't even find a sufficient enough word for how I'd be, if someone managed to piece it all together in a single playthrough. I was lucky to always have believed that the Reapers should die, even when given another choice. Sure, the Geth would die too, but that was worth it.

Except I was wrong. We're never fighting against the Reapers here; at least, not in the sense they tell you you are. In actuality, you're still down on Earth, lying under the rubble from the laser strike that decimated Hammer.
I might be explaining this kind of weirdly, but, please, bear with me.

OK, so, you're indoctrinated at this point. You've got three options, and two of them have something extraordinarily important - that would be sparing the Reapers. In both Control and Synthesis, the Reapers survive, and they fly off, leaving Shepard to believe his mission is complete. Forget about that stupid crap with the Normandy flying away. It doesn't matter. Just know that Shepard believes his mission is complete. But, if this is true, and he was indoctrinated, he never did anything, and the war is still going on. Because he feels complete, Shepard doesn't have another reason, and allows himself to die. He had been manipulated, and had two options; comply with the Indoctrination, or defy it.

He complied with the Reapers: Allowed himself to be indoctrinated, he believes he could begin to control it, he loses control of himself, but it was all a lie. The war is still going, and, without Shepard, the galaxy is as good as dead.

But what happens when you fight, and go with Destroy? That's right, you wake up. The fight against your free will has been broken; you defied the Reapers. They weren't able to control you, and, with you breaking free, you returned to Earth. While the game ends directly after you take a single breath, it is presumed that Shepard gets up, reaches the Beam, and completes his mission.

If this is all true, then, not only did Bioware manage to effectively indoctrinate Shepard, but they indoctrinated you. Since the very beginning of the series, all we've ever wanted to do is destroy the Reapers. It was deemed the only option. Even us players knew that. Yet, at the end, they managed to get the majority of us to sit down and think it through. Destroy sounds so cruel, and Synthesis sounds so perfect. But only Destroy is correct. Everything else gets you killed. That is not an option.

So where does the game pick up if you destroyed the Reapers? Right before shit gets weird, and proceeds, along the normal timeline. This makes it so that Shepard wakes up directly after the laser attack. They still have a chance. The war isn't over yet, and neither is Shepard.

And then there are those that dislike open-minded endings. I love them. Allows you to build your own story along the paths you desire. And still, that was one of the main complaints (so I heard). If that is true, then the unfortunate truth is that Bioware will eventually make available that Free DLC pack they told us is coming to finish the game. I know it won't change the ending, because they said so, but I hope it, at least, makes others understand as much as I did.

So, I'm pretty sure I jumped some pretty crucial parts, and, if I remember, I'll be sure to contact you. But, as of now, this is all I could think off. So I want anyone who disagrees with the Indoctrination Theory to watch this video, please. Explains everything more understandably than I can.

I hope more people can see the Indoctrination Theory, and side with that.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:22 am

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Coltarin wrote:I loved every thing the combat mechanic was a major step up from the previous games the romance options were so much better, Ashley was a crap ton hotter,

Hurray for sexifying women to appeal to sweaty neckbeards!!!!

The asari are great yay!!!

Oh and the ladies never had Kaiden "So stoic even though I tragically hurt all the time" Alenko (When he's not complaining about a headache), or Thane "Tragically terminally ill but still suave" Krios, or Jacob "The Smoothest Corsair" Taylor, or Garrus "Calibrate this" Valkarian, or James "Krogan Replacement on steroids" Vega... need I go on?

That being said, for the most part I appreciated all but one of those characters (Kaiden, found him annoying and useless when compared to Liara or Wrex and...well I'm a guy) so no throwing vitriol my way please.
The point is yes there is a conspicuously more diverse range of paramour options for male Shepard rather than Fem Shepard, but for crying out loud it isn't a complete masculine shutout for the women like any of the Duke Nukem games, so attempting to paint the ME games in such a light is childish and idiotic. Is it perfect? No, and the demographics inform developer decisions so until more female gamers start making their preferences felt games are going to be predominately male-skewed for the time being, albeit not to the degree they were 10 or 20 years ago.

Besides, be fair, the Asari are equal opportunists after all :D
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Postby Oterro » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:55 am

Northern Dominus wrote:Oh and the ladies never had Kaiden "So stoic even though I tragically hurt all the time" Alenko (When he's not complaining about a headache), or Thane "Tragically terminally ill but still suave" Krios, or Jacob "The Smoothest Corsair" Taylor, or Garrus "Calibrate this" Valkarian, or James "Krogan Replacement on steroids" Vega... need I go on?

More like Kaiden plainfaced boring overrated companion Alenko
More like Thane Jesus Christ Dude He's A Green Frogman Krios
More like Jacob My CO is Sexually Harassing Me Also I Don't Like Her and Will Abandon Her Taylor
More like Garrus Jesus Christ Dude He's A Grey Cockroach Birdman
More like James I'm Hideously Ugly Vega
Northern Dominus wrote:attempting to paint the ME games in such a light is childish and idiotic.

no attempting to portray a game with several glaringly obvious sexist aspects as being just a tad sexist is totally fine and correct

note how i never actually did that beyond my absolutely legitimate and correct criticism of the asari, my vitriol was almost slowly aimed at fans getting sweaty over blue space lesbians unf.
Northern Dominus wrote:No, and the demographics inform developer decisions so until more female gamers start making their preferences felt games are going to be predominately male-skewed for the time being, albeit not to the degree they were 10 or 20 years ago.

And this is Terrible. Do you want to be treated like a child by developers? Or does pandering and sexifying female characters appeal to you? If so, this is why thinking the gaming community is terrible is a totally horrible thing is correct!

Do you wonder why the 'main demographic' is teenage males? When games are errrr, marketed entirely towards them? And the community is generally disgusting?
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Postby Northern Dominus » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:13 pm

Oterro wrote:More like Kaiden plainfaced boring overrated companion Alenko
More like Thane Jesus Christ Dude He's A Green Frogman Krios
More like Jacob My CO is Sexually Harassing Me Also I Don't Like Her and Will Abandon Her Taylor
More like Garrus Jesus Christ Dude He's A Grey Cockroach Birdman
More like James I'm Hideously Ugly Vega

Great, so you have characterization gripes. By and large all of the romance dialogue in ME3 is wooden to begin with. Allow me to highlight some of the gripes commonly associated with the female/male shep romance cast;
Consort- Really? Do I have to explain this one?
Ashley- Whiner
Liara- Obvious sci-fi nympho-alien trope pandering
Tali- Borderline pedophilia if you've played from ME1
Miranda- Daddy issues
Jack- Daddy issues times a bazillion
Cortez- Rebound relationship.

Anyone can nitpick as much as they like, nothing's perfect. The fact that Bioware at least attempted to emulate the experience was massive in and of itself.

Oterro wrote:no attempting to portray a game with several glaringly obvious sexist aspects as being just a tad sexist is totally fine and correct

Oh right, so since everything isn't COMPLETELY gender-balanced or neutral then it just is oh so biased and sexist and evil and deserves scorn and...
Oh wait, this is the same series that not only encourages the player to chose the gender of their Shepard along with their skin color and a myriad of other facial features, but pretty much makes them a complete and total one-person war machine with backup IRREGARDLESS of the gender in the first place. Yah, real sexist there.

Oterro wrote: note how i never actually did that beyond my absolutely legitimate and correct criticism of the asari, my vitriol was almost slowly aimed at fans getting sweaty over blue space lesbians unf.

Yes it is in line with a typical male fantasy of a stripe, but then again these are the same Asari that by and large have the ability to tear any puny human in half with a warp or singularity of some kind. Also, kudos for taking the FOX tact and focusing on one little aspect of the game, completely foregoing such things as the "Blue Rose of Illium" mini-story, especially if it plays out in heartbreaking fashion in ME3. Or the familial ties of Samara and her daughters.

Oterro wrote:And this is Terrible. Do you want to be treated like a child by developers? Or does pandering and sexifying female characters appeal to you? If so, this is why thinking the gaming community is terrible is a totally horrible thing is correct!
Do you wonder why the 'main demographic' is teenage males? When games are errrr, marketed entirely towards them? And the community is generally disgusting?

Yes attractive women appeal to me. I am a hetero male, it's a predisposition. Just as I'm sure idiotic sparkling vampires appeal to women who don't recognize the main character of a story is just a shell to replace with their self-image of some sort.

However unlike the stereotype that most people tend to enjoy employing I do realize that female gamers do get a raw deal when it comes to more gender-friendly games.
I'm not saying it's fair that the larger demographic gets more attention because it isn't. Unfortunately that's how things work in the industry. The more female gamers that come out of the woodwork and voice their opinions and views the more influence they will have, simply put.

In the hierarchy of sexist video games the whole Mass Effect series rates pretty damn low IMO. Compare it to the entire Duke Nukem franchise, or Bayonetta, or any of the Dead or Alive games, or any of the weirdness from Japan and consider the free reign the entire Mass Effect series gives the player and that sexist argument, again IMO, doesn't seem that solid.
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Postby Oterro » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:32 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:Great, so you have characterization gripes. By and large all of the romance dialogue in ME3 is wooden to begin with. Allow me to highlight some of the gripes commonly associated with the female/male shep romance cast;
Consort- Really? Do I have to explain this one?
Ashley- Whiner
Liara- Obvious sci-fi nympho-alien trope pandering
Tali- Borderline pedophilia if you've played from ME1
Miranda- Daddy issues
Jack- Daddy issues times a bazillion
Cortez- Rebound relationship.
What are you on about? You tried to defend the fact that bioware completely morphed a male romantic interest by claiming that the female romantic interests were 'overly positive' and I explained that, no, actually, a man with mandibles and a lizard creature is not equal to a fucking super model. That's aesthetics.
Northern Dominus wrote:Anyone can nitpick as much as they like, nothing's perfect.

Pish argument.
Northern Dominus wrote:The fact that Bioware at least attempted to emulate the experience was massive in and of itself.

You can get waifu simulators online for free you know (actually a few (maybe a lot i don't look too much into it) of better quality too).
Northern Dominus wrote:Oh right, so since everything isn't COMPLETELY gender-balanced or neutral then it just is oh so biased and sexist and evil and deserves scorn and...

Yes? Things that are sexism deserve criticism for being sexist? Sexism deserves scorn?
Northern Dominus wrote:Oh wait, this is the same series that not only encourages the player to chose the gender of their Shepard along with their skin color and a myriad of other facial features, but pretty much makes them a complete and total one-person war machine with backup IRREGARDLESS of the gender in the first place. Yah, real sexist there.

Because The Protagonist In An Action RPG Does Action RPG Things, Sexism Is Non Existent!

lmao.
Northern Dominus wrote:these are the same Asari that by and large have the ability to tear any puny human in half with a warp or singularity of some kind.

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Northern Dominus wrote: Also, kudos for taking the FOX tact and focusing on one little aspect of the game,

What are you even on about. I liked the game. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Apparently I'm not allowed to criticise it? What is this the BSN. Cheers for taking the biodrone approach and making poor arguments while defending a bloody company to the hilt (badly).
Northern Dominus wrote:Samara and her daughters.

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Northern Dominus wrote:Yes attractive women appeal to me. I am a hetero male, it's a predisposition.

Boy, do I have a way to save you $60 every time a game has a CGI super model with huge tits splayed on the cover!!!!
Northern Dominus wrote: the main character of a story is just a shell to replace with their self-image of some sort.

I'm Commander Shepard And This Is The Story I'm Present In.
Northern Dominus wrote:Unfortunately that's how things work in the industry. The more female gamers that come out of the woodwork and voice their opinions and views the more influence they will have, simply put.

Unfortunately, this is how most people think, and this is how change is prevented.

Unfortunately, you seem to responsibility hinges solely on those equipped with vaginas. It's not your problem! You can't do anything about it!
Northern Dominus wrote:It's Not As Bad As X or Y or Z

And?
we, unlike the bourgeoisie, have nothing to lose and therefore our expression will be the only honest one, our words will be the only challenging ones and our art will be the one revolutionary expression. We need new noise and new voices and new canvases to become something more than the last poets of a useless generation.

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