Mass Effect 3

[New England and The Maritimes]

Affirmative Action.

Alliance rly is Space EU. >:

I was going to say space america because <10 people have any other kind of accent that ive heard.

[Oterro]

Alliance rly is Space EU. >:

I was going to say space america because <10 people have any other kind of accent that ive heard.

Wasn't it formed in the USA anyway? Christ half the codex bored me to tears.

It's the military, not a corporation.

>the military
>not a corporation
>2164

lmao

[Yahkima]

Alliance rly is Space EU. >:

I was going to say space america because <10 people have any other kind of accent that ive heard.

The the time of ME3 American reality television has corrupted the linguistic tenor of the entire world.

[Galla-]

Alliance rly is Space EU. >:

I was going to say space america because <10 people have any other kind of accent that ive heard.

Yeh but space america wouldn't make sense at all.

America still exists in ME3-verse, at least until the Reapers come and start leveling the earth. >:

[New England and The Maritimes]

I was going to say space america because <10 people have any other kind of accent that ive heard.

Yeh but space america wouldn't make sense at all.

America still exists in ME3-verse, at least until the Reapers come and start leveling the earth. >:

Well, I always looked at Udina as, like, space Bush. As a negotiator he's pretty terrible- he's brash, he overestimates his pull, he makes ludicrous demands("I DEMAND ACTION! SEND THE ENTIRE SPACE MILITARY TO INVESTIGATE ONE COLONY ATTACK IN AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AREA!")- but he's also sort of vaguely idealistic. At his core, he's not so shit as his actions lead you to believe, but as a politician he's lacking and harmful to the cause.

[The Matthew Islands]

America still exists in ME3-verse, at least until the Reapers come and start leveling the earth. >:

Nah, its the North American Union or something. They even had a civil war over it. Took out the statue of liberty and everything.

[Divair]

Crashing into a planet creates more force doesn't it?

Well, I guess it's plausible. Just bothers me he doesn't get fixed in Synthesis.

I'm wondering why he didn't get the "Heavy bone weave" thing come ME2.

Surely Cerberus would have been able to afford whatever the surgery cost.

I'm also wondering how he managed to get into the Alliance military, no matter how good a pilot he is, with that kind of disease. Does the Alliance just not reject people for medical reasons or something?

Why would they care? He doesn't need to use his legs.

[Grand America]

I loved the Mass Effect Three ending. It seemed to me that Bioware knew for a fact, like I did, and like I hope we all did, that such a conflict as the one we're facing cannot ending with a happily ever after; It's a war, and not only that, it's a genocidal war. It's like saying Gears of War Three should end with a happily ever after. We're facing the strongest enemy we've ever seen, and we expect to see everything be all right?

It's still very interesting to note that the endings' defenders have to keep on calling anyone who disliked them "people who just wanted a happy ending," when it's obviously not true at all. I personally would've wanted the option of having a wide spectrum of endings, depending on how you did during your playthrough, ranging from the Reapers winning if you messed up way too much to the ultimate good ending if you excelled too much. People hate the endings because they clash with the overall tone of the series, contradict pre-release statements made during the game's promotion, and retroactively have invalidated the series for people - I mean, why did they need Sovereign or Saren or the Geth?

The Catalyst could've just kicked back, relaxed, and let his solution proceed with the mere flick of a wrist. The indoctrination Theory is a load of crap. It's just an elaborate coping mechanism designed by people with buyers' remorse, that they invested all this time into the franchise to be given as little attention to their wishes as Bioware gave to Tali's looks. Besides, if the Indoctrination Theory is true, Bioware still sold us an incomplete game and lied to us about it providing closure upon reaching the ending you attained.

Not only that, but if the endings are realistic just because they're set within the context of a genocidal conflict, why do your squad mates teleport on the Normandy? How does green light make people half-synthetic? Why can't the Reapers win if you mess up too much? This is war, right? So naturally you should be able to lose the war as well as win it.

The endings are just the culmination of Bioware's attempts to create lots of speculation instead of abiding by what they had promised, and it backfiring on them epically. That's all there is to it.

First, sorry for the long delay. I've been busy.

Second, I'm going to begin responding:

OK, yes, I know that's not the only reason. I said this myself somewhere after the quote you posted. And I'm not calling anyone who disliked it did so because of those reasons, I'm saying it's one of the reasons I heard. I'm still trying to capture all of them to be able to respond accordingly.

Interesting, an ending where the Reapers win. I, myself, had thought that was going to be one of the endings. And while I do agree that such an ending would have been a very satisfactory addition to the overall game, I do not disagree with their current endings. Primarily because I don't want to lose. Sure, there are those that want to, and you can have Earth get destroyed, but, overall, the war is "won," if you considering having millions of aliens stranded on Earth with no Mass Relays to use to get back to their worlds a win. And even worse if Earth gets destroyed; all of them just die.

So maybe the Reapers can't win, but I would never have thought Shepard to let them. If they had added it, you would have needed to make some really "bad" choices throughout the entire series to be able to just let your entire dedication to the survival of the Galaxy completely fall apart at the hands of the Reapers.

Why did they need Sovereign? Because the Reapers need someone to scout out on civilization, and pinpoint the correct time for the beginning of the harvest. And it marked the beginning of the Reaper threat.

Why did they need Saren? Because Sovereign needed an organic that could read the Prothean beacons, get him to the Conduit, and manually restart the Citadel Relay. And it marked the beginning of the Reaper threat.

Why did they need the Geth? Because Sovereign needed allies, and, while he was annoyed at the Geth's beliefs that it was a god, he found them to be more-or-less reliable for their tasks, and chose them to help him upstart the Reaper harvest. And it marked the beginning of the Reaper threat.

All of those characters/factions of a race marked the real beginning in which the galaxy was, for the first time, at threat from the strongest thing the entire galaxy has ever seen in her entire existence. Sure, maybe they could have jumped straight to the action, and pop you up with the invasion of Earth, but, had they done so, would you really have understood the context? Gotten as close as most of us did to the characters? I sure wouldn't have.

No, it couldn't have. Simply because you have a solution doesn't mean it's foolproof, and everything changes once Commander Shepard comes into play. Sure, it was his solution to the chaos, but it's not a flick of a finger and they start invading. They need an invasion plan, and this was it. It failed, at first, when Shepard stopped Sovereign from taking control of the Citadel Relay, and again when the Alpha Relay was obliterated. Shepard kept pushing the invasion back, but, like any determined enemy willing to cross dark space for who knows how long, they eventually arrived. And they invaded the only way they could.

Unless you can find me a significant reason as to why the Indoctrination Theory is, indeed, a "load of crap," I'm going to discard that comment. It's made sense to me so far, and if it goes into play, who's to say that it isn't the correct way to think? Bioware isn't finished yet, and you're simply calling it a load of crap because you believe it was made by people with buyer's remorse. Yet, here we are, with me having a possible explanation to the entire ending, and you yet none. And, maybe they did sell you a game that didn't have the entire ending spelled out for you, but what's the fun in the game if it tells you upfront that Shepard got indoctrinated? This might just be me, but the idea of cracking through every single possible explanation in the end of this wonderful series excites me. I can really contemplate if certain ideas are feasible, if they make sense, and if I, personally, would like it to be that way. I've heard of several different ending explanations, and all of them sound concrete. I just like the Indoctrination Theory better. And just because they didn't explain it all doesn't make the ending crap, or even bad.

They don't. If I remember correctly, you told your squadmates, just before beginning the assault on the Citadel Beam, to head back to the ship. They could have gotten on any shuttle, and gone back up, for whatever reason.

And yes, naturally, like any war, there's a certain enough chance that you can lose.
I don't think losing Earth is classified as a "win" in my book.

Again, unless you can elaborate on why it is that way, rather than the ideas of those people who put countless hours into thought and brainstorming with others to come up with viable ideas for the ending. Just saying it doesn't make it so.

[Grand America]

Crashing into a planet creates more force doesn't it?

Well, I guess it's plausible. Just bothers me he doesn't get fixed in Synthesis.

I'm wondering why he didn't get the "Heavy bone weave" thing come ME2.

Surely Cerberus would have been able to afford whatever the surgery cost.

I'm also wondering how he managed to get into the Alliance military, no matter how good a pilot he is, with that kind of disease. Does the Alliance just not reject people for medical reasons or something?

I'd assume because his feet aren't necessary to fly in a frigate. All he needs are good hands and amazing flying skills, both of which Joker has plenty of. Didn't he say he was better than the instructors at his academy? Why wouldn't the Alliance military accept him?

[Northern Dominus]

First, sorry for the long delay. I've been busy.

Second, I'm going to begin responding:

OK, yes, I know that's not the only reason. I said this myself somewhere after the quote you posted. And I'm not calling anyone who disliked it did so because of those reasons, I'm saying it's one of the reasons I heard. I'm still trying to capture all of them to be able to respond accordingly.

Interesting, an ending where the Reapers win. I, myself, had thought that was going to be one of the endings. And while I do agree that such an ending would have been a very satisfactory addition to the overall game, I do not disagree with their current endings. Primarily because I don't want to lose. Sure, there are those that want to, and you can have Earth get destroyed, but, overall, the war is "won," if you considering having millions of aliens stranded on Earth with no Mass Relays to use to get back to their worlds a win. And even worse if Earth gets destroyed; all of them just die....

Edit: Too much awesome to simply quote, it would do it injustice...plus I'm sure one or two curmudgeons would get irritated..

While I don't necessarily agree with Grand American on every single front, in essence we're on the same page. While the endings weren't what I would have chosen, the simple fact is in the end this was the vision of Bioware and the artists who worked on the game. Sure some of it was community influenced, but in the end it was their vision and their story to tell in the grand scheme of things. The fact that there's not much explained leaves room for just that: for the fans to explain things, rather than gripe and moan because things weren't exactly as people had hoped.

Also given the size and the scope of the ME universe, I doubt that Mass Effect 3 is the last story to be told via video game. The multiplayer could be the start of a side-story to the primary games, or there could be backstory. The point is fair criticism is one thing but covering uber-nerd whining with some big techni-artsy babble is just that, makeup on a Vorcha.

[The Murray Dynasty]

Hey what happens if you don't shoot Udina?

[New England and The Maritimes]

Hey what happens if you don't shoot Udina?

Ashley/Kaidan does.

[Tergnitz]

Hey what happens if you don't shoot Udina?

Ashley/Kaidan does.

Dam shame that, I wanted to see him pop a cap into the Asari Councillor.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Ashley/Kaidan does.

Dan shame that, I wanted to see him pop a cap into the Asari Councillor.

No way!

[Norstal]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-re ... bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

[The Steel Magnolia]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

Ehhh, I don't think that I, in good conscience, could vote for EA over Wallmart.

[Hittanryan]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

Ehhh, I don't think that I, in good conscience, could vote for EA over Wallmart.

One word: Origin. That is all.

[Genivaria]

Good GOD this is funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hY8B7Gj ... AAAAAAABAA

[New England and The Maritimes]

Good GOD this is funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hY8B7Gj ... AAAAAAABAA

That does not qualify as necessary.

[Raeyh]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

I really don't think it was the publisher who dropped the ball on us. It was Bioware.

[New Conglomerate]

After reading about the "indoctrination theory" I'm surprised at the lengths people will go to in order to defend the only real glaring problem with Mass Effect 3's plot.

Even after Bioware has basically come out to admit that they fucked up and are going to do something about it in April (whether that something will be satisfactory is to be seen).

[Norstal]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

I really don't think it was the publisher who dropped the ball on us. It was Bioware.

Not really. The publisher makes important decisions, such as who gets to be in the writing staff, how much time they'll need, how much funds they'll need. BW is now a division of EA. Not just a mere independent group.

[Vjiay]

The ending is not just a shambles, it’s embarrassing.

I didn’t want to be told blue, red or green by some miniature, hooded god. I wanted the choices that I had made in ME2 and ME3 to mean something.

I wanted Shepard to say ‘no, fuck you’ and for the civilizations of the galaxy to stand united against this most potent of threats. I wanted to see Humans, Turians and Krogans throwing themselves at Reaper lines behind a hail of Elcor artillery. I wanted the Volus to be screaming overhead in their famous fighter-bombers. I wanted the Quarians to be throwing ship after civilian ship into the maelstrom whilst Asari and Human cruisers sent waves of missiles. I wanted Joker weaving in and out of the storm, sowing destruction for EDI with the ship I’d grown to love.

I wanted Liara, Jack and her students kicking arse under a biotic shield, Ashley fighting for Shepard until her last breath, Garrus picking off any Reaper that got near her. I wanted James blowing shit up.

I wanted the galaxy to defeat the Reapers because I’d given them the means and the will to do so, not because this brand new, less than trustworthy character gave me the sole choice to do so.

I wanted the fight to be over, but the galaxy a mess. I wanted to see the rebuilding of Earth and other devastated planets, particularly Rannoch and the relationship between Geth and Quarian. I wanted to see Ashley again. I wanted to hear of how the Krogan had returned to Tuchanka, but were once more ballooning in population, with lessons of unity quickly forgotten and their own desire for expansion unabated and vengeful.

I wanted a rebalance of power, I wanted closure.

Instead, I got some half arsed ending which politely informed me via text box that I had ‘become a legend’ despite being known only as ‘The Shepard’ and then transported me back to the assault on the Illusive Man’s base to replay an ending with NO replay value.

I just hope they don’t have the cheek to charge us for the REAL ending.

[Imperial isa]

who or what is that thing that gasp for breath at the end of the killing reaper cutscene ??

[Sorratsin]

http://consumerist.com/2012/03/the-8-remaining-worst-company-in-america-contenders-are-an-elite-bunch.html

Voting for EA might make our voices heard. Maybe.

Ehhh, I don't think that I, in good conscience, could vote for EA over Wallmart.

EA's business model is to take over game developers, squeeze every last dime out of their fan bases, and then run them into the ground, just like they're currently doing to bioware. They are the Bain capital of video game firms.


They also ran westwood into the ground, the developer that pretty much invented the RTS genre.

I would say EA is much, much worse than walmart.