Mass Effect 3

[Seangoli]

From what ive heard Bioware didnt give people there Happily ever after and folks are pissed. There will Be DLC's for all you whining about how they ended THEIR game.

Bioware can end the game however they want.
People can hate the endings if they want.
And people like you can stay misinformed about why people dislike the endings if you want.

Indeed. If you look at my criticisms about the ending, not a single one has to do with it not being a happy ending.

Infact, I'm of the opinion that the only way the series can really end is bittersweet at best, with very little "happily ever after". The entire tone of the third game eludes to this. Hell, I can even accept the idiotic three-pronged idiot logic ending they have. However, they had to shoe-horn in a happily ever after no matter what, with shitty power rock interrupting a rather beautiful and compelling score that perfect for contemplating the events of the games. It would have been far better if the Normandy was just all-out destroyed(Or not even there to begin with...). Frankly, it lost the entire mood and point of the game with the happily ever after on paradise crap they pulled.

And that's not even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that damn near half the game feels unpolished and uninspired, as though they simply said "Good enough" once Legion died and went home. The animations in the late game are just atrocious to look at, and every semblance of plot driven game play goes completely to hell.

[Seangoli]

7. WHY THE HELL DON'T I GET A UNIQUE SCENE WITH MY LOVE INTEREST. Look, I know that Liara is what Bioware wanted everyone to have as an interest, but come on. I went with Tali, and the one dialogue sequence with her before the final battle was touching... until it ended 2 seconds later. Something a bit more meaningful would have been nice (Something akin to, I don't know, what they did with Liara at this same sequence). This just makes the character development of anyone who is a "Not-Liara" seem rather cheap and shallow.

In my first playthrough, I had to say that I thought the little scene I had with Traynor (my FemShep's love interest) was quite nice and all. But when my FemShep was destroying the Reapers, and didn't have any flashback to Traynor at all, it just felt odd. Like why wouldn't Shepard remember the person that he/she was fighting to protect from utter annihilation?

Tali? Well, they did basically give a big middle finger to the Talimancers with the half-assed reveal. If they couldn't be bothered to give Tali an actual in game model, then why would you expect them to do anything meaningful with her?

Like I said, the thing that annoys me the most about the end of the game is the sheer half-assery they pulled off. It's as though they took a nap every time someone suggested doing these things. It shouldn't be that damn hard to do. They have already proved they can do almost damn near everything I listed. Yet they decided to completely half-ass the end game content for reasons that I cannot fathom. It's not just about storyline issues either. They destroyed the mood they set up on multiple occasions, did a shit poor job at animation during the last few cutscenes (Perhaps going back to Miranda's last mission, which was pretty sub-par animation), didn't do anything with the multiple opportunities open to them.

Really, the biggest joke of the game is that it actually got off the development floor in its current laughably unpolished state, and that critics are completely ignoring these rather gaping problems.

[Zephie]

Saw EA published it. Did not buy.

[New Sapienta]

Indoc theory reminds me of denial in the stages of loss.

[Divair]

Saw EA published it. Did not buy.

Except that hasn't been an issue to date.
Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age: Origins were all great.

In fact, most of Mass Effect 3 is great as well. The only problem is the last 15 minutes.

[Ganos Lao]

Indoc theory reminds me of denial in the stages of loss.

I agree. It's all an elaborate coping mechanism for people who just can't accept that Bioware just dun goofed.

[Ganos Lao]

In my first playthrough, I had to say that I thought the little scene I had with Traynor (my FemShep's love interest) was quite nice and all. But when my FemShep was destroying the Reapers, and didn't have any flashback to Traynor at all, it just felt odd. Like why wouldn't Shepard remember the person that he/she was fighting to protect from utter annihilation?

Tali? Well, they did basically give a big middle finger to the Talimancers with the half-assed reveal. If they couldn't be bothered to give Tali an actual in game model, then why would you expect them to do anything meaningful with her?

Like I said, the thing that annoys me the most about the end of the game is the sheer half-assery they pulled off. It's as though they took a nap every time someone suggested doing these things. It shouldn't be that damn hard to do. They have already proved they can do almost damn near everything I listed. Yet they decided to completely half-ass the end game content for reasons that I cannot fathom. It's not just about storyline issues either. They destroyed the mood they set up on multiple occasions, did a shit poor job at animation during the last few cutscenes (Perhaps going back to Miranda's last mission, which was pretty sub-par animation), didn't do anything with the multiple opportunities open to them.

Really, the biggest joke of the game is that it actually got off the development floor in its current laughably unpolished state, and that critics are completely ignoring these rather gaping problems.

LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!

[Hittanryan]

Indoc theory reminds me of denial in the stages of loss.

I agree. It's all an elaborate coping mechanism for people who just can't accept that Bioware just dun goofed.

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

[Ganos Lao]

I agree. It's all an elaborate coping mechanism for people who just can't accept that Bioware just dun goofed.

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

"You don't need to know the answers to the Mass Effect universe. So we intentionally left those out."
- Mac Walters, head writer of Mass Effect 3.

[Grand America]

this reminds me

is the UK getting murdered in the opening dependent on region or does bioware just hate the UK/read too much war of the worlds?

Bioware was probably tired of everything happening only in NYC and LA. London got picked probably because that's where the dart hit on the map.

I'm giving whoever threw that dart a medal of honor...

[Galla-]

I agree. It's all an elaborate coping mechanism for people who just can't accept that Bioware just dun goofed.

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Be glad you're getting a DLC that explains it.

They could just as easily make a DLC that does nothing but add MP maps.

[Divair]

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Be glad you're getting a DLC that explains it.

They could just as easily make a DLC that does nothing but add MP maps.

Source for DLC?

And no, an image on 4chan doesn't count.

[Ganos Lao]

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Be glad you're getting a DLC that explains it.

They could just as easily make a DLC that does nothing but add MP maps.

Who said we're getting any ending related DLC at all?

[Hittanryan]

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

"You don't need to know the answers to the Mass Effect universe. So we intentionally left those out."
- Mac Walters, head writer of Mass Effect 3.

On the contrary, they "answered" too much. In ME1, the Reapers were utterly alien and extremely powerful, repeating the cycle of extinction every 50,000 years to impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. It wasn't war, it was pest control. ME2 hinted that new Reapers were made by harvesting sapient species, but this ultimately raised even more questions without revealing too much.

Leaving the Reapers' true purpose mysterious would've been better than coming up with this half-assed child-god with the justification of "synthetics always rebel, ignoring how you literally just made peace between warring synthetics and organics a couple of hours ago."

[Hittanryan]

Seconded. The Indoctrination theory is a way of rationalizing an utterly irrational sequence of events.

The ending literally couldn't be happy with most of the galaxy dead and the remainder thrown into chaos, but we were supposed to see how our choices affected the universe. I wanted Mass Effect, not fucking Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Be glad you're getting a DLC that explains it.

They could just as easily make a DLC that does nothing but add MP maps.

That DLC is still a rumor at this point.

[Galla-]

Be glad you're getting a DLC that explains it.

They could just as easily make a DLC that does nothing but add MP maps.

That DLC is still a rumor at this point.

Oh ok then.

[Zersium]

That DLC is still a rumor at this point.

Oh ok then.

It's EA. Highly unlikely there won't be half-assed DLC to create even more answers.

It'll most likely be for Collector's Edition too.

[Galla-]

Oh ok then.

It's EA. Highly unlikely there won't be half-assed DLC to create even more answers.

It'll most likely be for Collector's Edition too.

And there's something wrong w/ that?

[Ganos Lao]

"You don't need to know the answers to the Mass Effect universe. So we intentionally left those out."
- Mac Walters, head writer of Mass Effect 3.

On the contrary, they "answered" too much. In ME1, the Reapers were utterly alien and extremely powerful, repeating the cycle of extinction every 50,000 years to impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. It wasn't war, it was pest control. ME2 hinted that new Reapers were made by harvesting sapient species, but this ultimately raised even more questions without revealing too much.

Leaving the Reapers' true purpose mysterious would've been better than coming up with this half-assed child-god with the justification of "synthetics always rebel, ignoring how you literally just made peace between warring synthetics and organics a couple of hours ago."

Well, the quote I got there (from the Final Hours app) was part of a larger quote in which Walters said you were supposed to be able to have an actual conversation with the Catalyst and get answers on why he exists and about the Reapers. But then Casey Hudson and him talked and apparently they agreed that it was too "high level" or something to let the fans get to have when they reached that part.

Hell, Mac Walters scribbed down "LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE" and apparently Bioware sought to rely on that, at the price of neglecting the promises they made pre-release.

[Ganos Lao]

Really, the biggest joke of the game is that it actually got off the development floor in its current laughably unpolished state, and that critics are completely ignoring these rather gaping problems.

Based on the posts of some people on the BSN, the critics are apparently bought out by EA to gloss over any problems, especially IGN which opened a shitstorm with disgruntled fans when IGN's Colin Moriarty made a video about them, essentially looking at them as whiny and entitled. Forbes Magazine seems to be roasting Bioware over an open fire, though, as they've released several articles criticizing them and supporting the Retake Mass Effect 3 Movement. Then you have BBC and CNN reporting on it, creating much awareness in the eyes of the RME3 guys. They've raised literally thousands for charity (Child's Play) all while holding onto Captain Kirrahe's mantra of Hold the Line.

[Hittanryan]

It's EA. Highly unlikely there won't be half-assed DLC to create even more answers.

It'll most likely be for Collector's Edition too.

And there's something wrong w/ that?

I'd be more than a little miffed that I paid full price for an incomplete game. After ME3's ending, I'm not giving Bioware any more of my money.

[Ganos Lao]

And there's something wrong w/ that?

I'd be more than a little miffed that I paid full price for an incomplete game. After ME3's ending, I'm not giving Bioware any more of my money.

Same here.

[Deus Malum]

I'd be more than a little miffed that I paid full price for an incomplete game. After ME3's ending, I'm not giving Bioware any more of my money.

Same here.

Likewise. If the rumored DLC expanding on the ending is legit, and if the rumors that it's free are legit, I'll get it, and if it's good enough it might redeem Bioware a bit. If it's even $0.99 for the DLC, I'm never buying another Bioware product again.*

*Though given that TOR is still pretty fun, I'm using "buy" and "product" here without factoring in subscription time costs.

[Norstal]

Saw EA published it. Did not buy.

Except that hasn't been an issue to date.
Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age: Origins were all great.

In fact, most of Mass Effect 3 is great as well. The only problem is the last 15 minutes.

I don't know. There are lots of bugs in the game. Not to mention the assignments aren't as fun as it used to. I wished your squadmates gave you quests again.

[Norstal]

Really, the biggest joke of the game is that it actually got off the development floor in its current laughably unpolished state, and that critics are completely ignoring these rather gaping problems.

Based on the posts of some people on the BSN, the critics are apparently bought out by EA to gloss over any problems, especially IGN which opened a shitstorm with disgruntled fans when IGN's Colin Moriarty made a video about them, essentially looking at them as whiny and entitled.

Doubtful. The first few hours playing the game, that's what their reviews are based on. And those first few hours WERE good. They're not going to base their reviews on the ending because that's just stupid. They're going to base it mostly on the gameplay. Hence why although Battlefield 3 has a shitty, puke-inducing plot, it has a high score because it's just fun to play.