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Postby Norstal » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:18 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:Well, yeah, the party deserves niceness, but everyone else can go fuck themselves.

I'm planning on going through the game as a renegade, with a femshep.


Plus red eyes are badass, and Mark Meer does renegade really well.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:19 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:Well, yeah, the party deserves niceness, but everyone else can go fuck themselves.

I'm planning on going through the game as a renegade, with a femshep.


Plus red eyes are badass, and Mark Meer does renegade really well.

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Eh, I don't much care for renegade maleshep. I just don't feel it.

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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:21 pm

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Plus red eyes are badass, and Mark Meer does renegade really well.


Eh, I don't much care for renegade maleshep. I just don't feel it.


Come on, Male Shep is still a jerk, but a badass.
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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:23 pm

Mark Meer is actually a pretty bad voice actor and sounds terrible in renegade parts.

He passively fumbles through paragon though.

Towards the end of 3 he suddenly wakes up and exp-STEEEEVE!
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:24 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:Eh, I don't much care for renegade maleshep. I just don't feel it.


Come on, Male Shep is still a jerk, but a badass.

Eh, I still prefer Femshep for renegade actions. Maleshep I like for paragon.

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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:26 pm

Oterro wrote:Mark Meer is actually a pretty bad voice actor and sounds terrible in renegade parts.

He passively fumbles through paragon though.

Towards the end of 3 he suddenly wakes up and exp-STEEEEVE!


People don't give Mark Meer enough credit, I swear. Yeah he may be a little unemotional in a lot of his voice work, but that is what the character calls for. His voice fits what they wanted out of Male Shepard, and comparing anyone to Jennifer Hale is just a losing fight either way. Plus the range of voices he does for the series is pretty impressive too, but everyone downs on the man. If you're going to blame anyone blame the writers and what they asked out of the voicing.

The only person who can stand up to Jennifer Hale, in my book, is David Hayter anyway.

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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:29 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:People don't give Mark Meer enough credit, I swear. Yeah he may be a little unemotional in a lot of his voice work, but that is what the character calls for. His voice fits what they wanted out of Male Shepard, and comparing anyone to Jennifer Hale is just a losing fight either way. Plus the range of voices he does for the series is pretty impressive too, but everyone downs on the man. If you're going to blame anyone blame the writers and what they asked out of the voicing.

The only person who can stand up to Jennifer Hale, in my book, is David Hayter anyway.

He's detached and blander than cold porridge.

Most of the side characters have better VA's. Garrus's voice comes easy to mind, isn't it sad Shepard's doesn't? I'd admit his performance towards the end was good though.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:31 pm

Oterro wrote:
Industrial Republics wrote:People don't give Mark Meer enough credit, I swear. Yeah he may be a little unemotional in a lot of his voice work, but that is what the character calls for. His voice fits what they wanted out of Male Shepard, and comparing anyone to Jennifer Hale is just a losing fight either way. Plus the range of voices he does for the series is pretty impressive too, but everyone downs on the man. If you're going to blame anyone blame the writers and what they asked out of the voicing.

The only person who can stand up to Jennifer Hale, in my book, is David Hayter anyway.

He's detached and blander than cold porridge.

Most of the side characters have better VA's. Garrus's voice comes easy to mind, isn't it sad Shepard's doesn't? I'd admit his performance towards the end was good though.
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I actually appreciate how detached and bland he is, since it makes that moment you spoilered a bit more powerful in my opinion, as well as making any emotion he shows more worth watching.

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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:31 pm

Oterro wrote:
Industrial Republics wrote:People don't give Mark Meer enough credit, I swear. Yeah he may be a little unemotional in a lot of his voice work, but that is what the character calls for. His voice fits what they wanted out of Male Shepard, and comparing anyone to Jennifer Hale is just a losing fight either way. Plus the range of voices he does for the series is pretty impressive too, but everyone downs on the man. If you're going to blame anyone blame the writers and what they asked out of the voicing.

The only person who can stand up to Jennifer Hale, in my book, is David Hayter anyway.

He's detached and blander than cold porridge.

Most of the side characters have better VA's. Garrus's voice comes easy to mind, isn't it sad Shepard's doesn't? I'd admit his performance towards the end was good though.
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Oh god imagine Steve Blum voicing Shepard.

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I just can't imagine Shepard being so emotional in his voicing, I just can't. The character and how he is written calls for a calculated leader who has those around fall in behind him through hell and back. Sure, some more emotion could be put into some speeches like the final speech before the Collector Base, etc. Overall Meer didn't do a terrible job, and his voice is recognizable.

You're just being overly anal about voice acting entirely, in my opinion. The man didn't do a bad job, could of it been better? Sure, but so could of a lot of voice acting in the Mass Effect series.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:33 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:
Oterro wrote:He's detached and blander than cold porridge.

Most of the side characters have better VA's. Garrus's voice comes easy to mind, isn't it sad Shepard's doesn't? I'd admit his performance towards the end was good though.
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Oh god imagine Steve Blum voicing Shepard.

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I just can't imagine Shepard being so emotional in his voicing, I just can't. The character and how he is written calls for a calculated leader who has those around fall in behind him through hell and back. Sure, some more emotion could be put into some speeches like the final speech before the Collector Base, etc. Overall Meer didn't do a terrible job, and his voice is recognizable.

You're just being overly anal about voice acting entirely, in my opinion. The man didn't do a bad job, could of it been better? Sure, but so could of a lot of voice acting in the Mass Effect series.

I dunno, Hale puts emotion into her voice acting, so I don't think that being detached is exactly necessary.

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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:35 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Industrial Republics wrote:I just can't imagine Shepard being so emotional in his voicing, I just can't. The character and how he is written calls for a calculated leader who has those around fall in behind him through hell and back. Sure, some more emotion could be put into some speeches like the final speech before the Collector Base, etc. Overall Meer didn't do a terrible job, and his voice is recognizable.

You're just being overly anal about voice acting entirely, in my opinion. The man didn't do a bad job, could of it been better? Sure, but so could of a lot of voice acting in the Mass Effect series.

I dunno, Hale puts emotion into her voice acting, so I don't think that being detached is exactly necessary.


I feel Male Shep and Fem Shep are two completely different ends of the spectrum. In my mind at least she has to have more emotion because she is a female, and that is not trying to be sexist. But a guy under pressure too me in that role would be more focused on the point of getting shit done and going home afterwards. Jennifer did the same thing, but as a female she puts more emotion into it as her character just feels like it should.

Again this is more of how I feel the characters as themselves should be, we will almost always differ on opinion on this. But I was pleased with the overall of both, and both fit their roles perfectly if you asked me.

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Postby Deus Malum » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:42 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:
Oterro wrote:He's detached and blander than cold porridge.

Most of the side characters have better VA's. Garrus's voice comes easy to mind, isn't it sad Shepard's doesn't? I'd admit his performance towards the end was good though.
Wh what do you need me to do..!

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Oh god imagine Steve Blum voicing Shepard.

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I just can't imagine Shepard being so emotional in his voicing, I just can't. The character and how he is written calls for a calculated leader who has those around fall in behind him through hell and back. Sure, some more emotion could be put into some speeches like the final speech before the Collector Base, etc. Overall Meer didn't do a terrible job, and his voice is recognizable.

You're just being overly anal about voice acting entirely, in my opinion. The man didn't do a bad job, could of it been better? Sure, but so could of a lot of voice acting in the Mass Effect series.

Oh I don't know about that. I mean, compare Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer both doing the interrupts when James is ranting about leaving Earth the first time you get on the Normandy. Jennifer Hale is appropriately frustrated and annoyed that A: She just had to leave her burning homeworld behind even if it is the best outcome and she's just been ordered to do it, B: James is getting up in her face about leaving Earth which she's already conflicted about thanks to A, and C: She just survived a shootout with wave after wave of cannibals by getting gunship-rescued by Joker as she and Anderson ran out of ammo and had to rely on their abilities and gumption and is probably still kinda running on adrenaline.

Mark Meer is...kinda annoyed? Slightly?
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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:47 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I dunno, Hale puts emotion into her voice acting, so I don't think that being detached is exactly necessary.


I feel Male Shep and Fem Shep are two completely different ends of the spectrum. In my mind at least she has to have more emotion because she is a female, and that is not trying to be sexist. But a guy under pressure too me in that role would be more focused on the point of getting shit done and going home afterwards. Jennifer did the same thing, but as a female she puts more emotion into it as her character just feels like it should.

That has precisely nothing to do with her vagina and everything to do with her talent as a voice actress.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:50 pm

I prefer femshep's voice acting TBH. Jennifer Hale rules. I still remember Maleshep's stare of death when romancing Miranda. Its a shame that they couldn't make some of Femshep's animations more feminine though.
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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:57 pm

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Industrial Republics wrote:
I feel Male Shep and Fem Shep are two completely different ends of the spectrum. In my mind at least she has to have more emotion because she is a female, and that is not trying to be sexist. But a guy under pressure too me in that role would be more focused on the point of getting shit done and going home afterwards. Jennifer did the same thing, but as a female she puts more emotion into it as her character just feels like it should.

That has precisely nothing to do with her vagina and everything to do with her talent as a voice actress.


I said this is how I felt about the two characters, not on the voice actors themselves. Read what I actually typed and not just attack that I'm saying Meer wasn't a bad voice actor. Seriously.

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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:03 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:I said this is how I felt about the two characters, not on the voice actors themselves. Read what I actually typed and not just attack that I'm saying Meer wasn't a bad voice actor. Seriously.

I read it 3 or 4 times because it was really awkwardly written and confusing to try and decipher.

And then I went back and did it again but it still looks like you're saying ''jennifer hale is better because she's a woman and women do emotions better''.

So stay buttmad.
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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:19 pm

Oterro wrote:
Industrial Republics wrote:I said this is how I felt about the two characters, not on the voice actors themselves. Read what I actually typed and not just attack that I'm saying Meer wasn't a bad voice actor. Seriously.

I read it 3 or 4 times because it was really awkwardly written and confusing to try and decipher.

And then I went back and did it again but it still looks like you're saying ''jennifer hale is better because she's a woman and women do emotions better''.

So stay buttmad.


Now you resorted to insulting me? Wow, that is pretty low. Sorry for trying to get my opinion out there and disagreeing with you, bro.

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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Industrial Republics wrote:Now you resorted to insulting me? Wow, that is pretty low. Sorry for trying to get my opinion out there and disagreeing with you, bro.

Where'd I insult you?
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Postby Industrial Republics » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:22 pm

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Industrial Republics wrote:Now you resorted to insulting me? Wow, that is pretty low. Sorry for trying to get my opinion out there and disagreeing with you, bro.

Where'd I insult you?

If you have to even ask then I cannot answer for you.

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Postby Prussia Republic » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:24 pm

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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

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Oterro wrote:Where'd I insult you?

If you have to even ask then I cannot answer for you.

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Postby Hittanryan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:26 pm

Oterro wrote:Oh god imagine Steve Blum voicing Shepard.

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God damn it, not MORE Steve Blum. He already voices fully half of all characters in video games and anime.
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Postby Oterro » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:42 pm

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Oterro wrote:Oh god imagine Steve Blum voicing Shepard.

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God damn it, not MORE Steve Blum. He already voices fully half of all characters in video games and anime.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:13 pm

Oterro wrote:Mark Meer is actually a pretty bad voice actor and sounds terrible in renegade parts.

He passively fumbles through paragon though.

Towards the end of 3 he suddenly wakes up and exp-STEEEEVE!


Weird. I worked out all his conversation options before London and
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Postby Romatticus » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:15 pm

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Romatticus wrote:Ah yes, "Shepard". The legendary Alliance commander who defeated Saren, the geth, the Collectors, and the reapers, only to get indoctrinated, die, and screw over everyone in the galaxy.


I don't think Bioware has officially acknowledged the theory of indoctrination at all.

So yeah. Right now it's nothing more than a theory.

It is, but don't tell them that. Most treat it like it's fact.

However, it may be BioWare's only way out at this point.
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