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by **Vareiln** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:04 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

Drugs. Lots of them, if Velvet Cacoon is to be believed.

by **Vareiln** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:10 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

Because it's the mirror universe version of post rock?

Wouldn't that be post-black metal?

by **Luveria** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:28 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

That reminds me...

Charmicarmicat wrote:"ambient black metal" being a retarded buzzword spouted by dilettantes and with no discernible meeting I post an ambient album by a black metal artist in the hopes of getting some elaboration.

Also, ambient/atmospheric black is good stuff too.

by **Dangelia** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:30 pm

I want you guys to watch this and do what he says as you watch it. It's an amazing video.

http://www.ted.com/talks/benjamin_zande ... ssion.html

by **Luveria** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:33 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

Because it's the mirror universe version of post rock?

No, the mirror universe version of post rock is post metal.

Last.fm · by **Cadonica** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:36 pm

Luveria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

That reminds me...

Charmicarmicat wrote:"ambient black metal" being a retarded buzzword spouted by dilettantes and with no discernible meeting I post an ambient album by a black metal artist in the hopes of getting some elaboration.

Also, ambient/atmospheric black is good stuff too.

I prefer using word Atmospheric black metal. Because ambient is ambient. Ambient + black metal = atmospheric black metal.
But that's just me.

by **Sedikal** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:37 pm

So just now getting back into Mathcore and Avant-Garde mental. I know there pretty loose terms but eh still looking for some more artist in around those genres. So far I'm listening to bands like Coalesce, Botch, Psyopus, early Dillinger escape plan, Norma Jean and a few others but are there anymore? Like really good ones?

by **Vareiln** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:38 pm

Cadonica wrote:
Luveria wrote:
That reminds me...

Also, ambient/atmospheric black is good stuff too.

I prefer using word Atmospheric black metal. Because ambient is ambient. Ambient + black metal = atmospheric black metal.
But that's just me.

Nah, there's a bit of a difference(It ain't much though). For example, Velvet Cacoon and Darkspace are pretty different from Sear Bliss and Drudkh.

by **Luveria** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:42 pm

Cadonica wrote:
Luveria wrote:
That reminds me...

Also, ambient/atmospheric black is good stuff too.

I prefer using word Atmospheric black metal. Because ambient is ambient. Ambient + black metal = atmospheric black metal.
But that's just me.

You're so very wrong. Shame on you.

Ambient + black metal = ambient black metal.

Atmospheric + black metal = atmospheric black metal.

Atmospheric black metal + ambient black metal = Atmospheric/ambient black metal.

Last.fm · by **Cadonica** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:47 pm

Luveria wrote:
Cadonica wrote:I prefer using word Atmospheric black metal. Because ambient is ambient. Ambient + black metal = atmospheric black metal.
But that's just me.

You're so very wrong. Shame on you.

Ambient + black metal = ambient black metal.

Atmospheric + black metal = atmospheric black metal.

Atmospheric black metal + ambient black metal = Atmospheric/ambient black metal.

Tell me, what's the difference between ambient and atmospheric?
If ambient isn't atmospheric, it isn't ambient.

YouTube Channel · by **The REAL Glasers** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:12 pm

Well, Spiritualized is doing a special show performance of Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Outer Space with a full choir and orchestra. J Spaceman himself said that he never thought this would ever happen. I have to find a way to make it to this show.

by **Luveria** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:22 pm

Cadonica wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You're so very wrong. Shame on you.

Ambient + black metal = ambient black metal.

Atmospheric + black metal = atmospheric black metal.

Atmospheric black metal + ambient black metal = Atmospheric/ambient black metal.

Tell me, what's the difference between ambient and atmospheric?
If ambient isn't atmospheric, it isn't ambient.

Atmospheric is atmospheric. Ambient is ambient.

Metallum separates between the two.

It is possible to be atmospheric without being ambient. That is why those are two different genres.

YouTube Channel · by **The REAL Glasers** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:41 am

Encyclopedia Metallum is one of the shittiest communities on the Internet.

by **Luveria** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:42 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:Encyclopedia Metallum is one of the shittiest communities on the Internet.

That's why I don't go on the forums much, but the main site of Encyclopaedia Metallum itself is excellent.

by **North Wiedna** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:44 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:Well, Spiritualized is doing a special show performance of Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Outer Space with a full choir and orchestra. J Spaceman himself said that he never thought this would ever happen. I have to find a way to make it to this show.

honestly the album didn't impress me at all, neither did the one last year

Luveria wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:Encyclopedia Metallum is one of the shittiest communities on the Internet.

That's why I don't go on the forums much, but the main site of Encyclopaedia Metallum itself is excellent.

no

by **Luveria** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:46 am

North Wiedna wrote:
Luveria wrote:
That's why I don't go on the forums much, but the main site of Encyclopaedia Metallum itself is excellent.

no

What do you have against it other than how if a moderately metal band like Disturbed or Slipknot becomes too popular, Metallum dismisses it as mallcore and bans submissions of it, no matter how if one or more of their albums were metal?

by **North Wiedna** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:29 am

Luveria wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
no

What do you have against it other than how if a moderately metal band like Disturbed or Slipknot becomes too popular, Metallum dismisses it as mallcore and bans submissions of it, no matter how if one or more of their albums were metal?

The community is wretched, half of the time they're wrong about shit, and people take it as some sort of bible for metal when you can just as easily find out the same information on last.fm

by **Luveria** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:57 am

North Wiedna wrote:
Luveria wrote:
What do you have against it other than how if a moderately metal band like Disturbed or Slipknot becomes too popular, Metallum dismisses it as mallcore and bans submissions of it, no matter how if one or more of their albums were metal?

The community is wretched, half of the time they're wrong about shit, and people take it as some sort of bible for metal when you can just as easily find out the same information on last.fm

Yes, but sometimes last.fm is off on genres, but more often than EM because EM is obsessed with purity.
I always go to both if I'm in doubt about a genre.

Last.fm · by **Cadonica** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:57 am

Luveria wrote:
Cadonica wrote:Tell me, what's the difference between ambient and atmospheric?
If ambient isn't atmospheric, it isn't ambient.

Atmospheric is atmospheric. Ambient is ambient.

Metallum separates between the two.

It is possible to be atmospheric without being ambient. That is why those are two different genres.

Metallum separates the two, I don't. For me ambient = atmospheric. If I REALLY want to see difference between ambient and atmospheric black metals, its' this: Ambient black metal has more ambient than black metal, atmospheric black metal has ambient on the background of the actual metal.

Also about metallum, sometimes genres aren't correct. For example it lists Ashes of Ares as progressive/power metal, but the songs aren't even close to progressive.

YouTube Channel · by **The REAL Glasers** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:43 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:Well, Spiritualized is doing a special show performance of Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Outer Space with a full choir and orchestra. J Spaceman himself said that he never thought this would ever happen. I have to find a way to make it to this show.

honestly the album didn't impress me at all, neither did the one last year

Shit man, Ladies and Genltemen is a classic. Top 10, maybe top 5 album of all time. It's probably one of the most cohesive and well-composed albums ever written.

by **Thafoo** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:14 pm

I have a gigantic list of indie/alternative rock if anyone is interested, which you probably are not.

by **Charmicarmicat** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:41 pm

Luveria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How. Is. Ambient. Black. Metal. So. Damn. Good?!

That reminds me...

Charmicarmicat wrote:"ambient black metal" being a retarded buzzword spouted by dilettantes and with no discernible meeting I post an ambient album by a black metal artist in the hopes of getting some elaboration.

Also, ambient/atmospheric black is good stuff too.

you can't make blast beats tremolo and maximum treble/distortion guitar riffs ambient, what the fuck is the logic in making an EXTREME GENRE DERIVATIVE OF THRASH METAL BACKGROUND MUSIC LMAO

but it's deeeeep

but it's progressssiiiiiiiive

but i don't know what ambient music issssssssssss

you're a fuckin dillitante and you won't listen to anything pitchfork, you and your cocksucker pals call black metal in 6 years time

you're also a stupid forum circle jerking cunt, your posting style is obnoxious and you're everything wrong with the internet

#SHOTSFIRED
#YOLO

PEACE OUT

Last.FM · by **Corrian** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:45 pm

Thafoo wrote:I have a gigantic list of indie/alternative rock if anyone is interested, which you probably are not.

I would be if I still didn't have a boatload of stuff on my plate to go through as is.

by **Thafoo** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:46 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thafoo wrote:I have a gigantic list of indie/alternative rock if anyone is interested, which you probably are not.

I would be if I still didn't have a boatload of stuff on my plate to go through as is.

I must note the Dirty Paws quote in your sig. Good on you, have a cookie.

YouTube Channel · by **The REAL Glasers** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:01 pm

You could post it, but we probably know most of it.

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