JAZZ

[Patriqvinia]

Jazz fusion yeah

[North Wiedna]

Jazz fusion 8) yeah

Who do you like?

[Patriqvinia]

Jazz fusion yeah

Who do you like?

King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Jean Luc Ponty, Stanley Clarke.

Plus some others that may or not be at least loosely in the genre: Yes, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, ELP, Van der Graaf Generator... etc

[North Wiedna]

Who do you like?

King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Jean Luc Ponty, Stanley Clarke.

Plus some others that may or not be at least loosely in the genre: Yes, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, ELP, Van der Graaf Generator... etc

I saw RTF with JLP live

u jelly

[Patriqvinia]

King Crimson, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Jean Luc Ponty, Stanley Clarke.

Plus some others that may or not be at least loosely in the genre: Yes, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, ELP, Van der Graaf Generator... etc

I saw RTF with JLP live

u jelly

... I did too

[North Wiedna]

I saw RTF with JLP live

u jelly

... I did too :lol:

Ooh, a contender. Sadly that's the extent of my jazz concerts.

[Patriqvinia]

... I did too

Ooh, a contender. Sadly that's the extent of my jazz concerts.

Pretty much the same, not a lot of concerts seem to be going on for that genre, unfortunately.

[Vorond]

musical

Ah, that explains my ignorance.

[Meryuma]

Oh my god, I just heard A Love Supreme.

[North Wiedna]

Oh my god, I just heard A Love Supreme.

By who?

[Meryuma]

Oh my god, I just heard A Love Supreme.

By who?

Coltrane.

[North Wiedna]

By who?

Coltrane.

Not really familiar with him, other than his work with Davis.

[Meryuma]

Coltrane.

Not really familiar with him, other than his work with Davis.

It's pretty experimental and has sort of an ecstatic vibe to it.

[The United City-States]

As a bassist, I love Marcus Miller, Stanley Clarke, and (of course) Jaco Pastorius. I'm also a clarinetist, so I like Benny Goodman. James Brown, Budy Rich, etc, etc

[Meryuma]

Bitches Brew - great album or really great album?

[North Wiedna]

Bitches Brew - great album or really great album?

In A Silent Way is better. :X I like Get Up With It too.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's my favorite type of music, by far. Smooth jazz, acid jazz, M-Base, jazzcore - you name it.

What is NS's opinion on jazz?

Mostly, that I really hate your tastes in jazz...damn. I don't know that you missed a single variation that I would love to have carved out of the jazz section. You're tastes are your own and there's no 'right answer,' but I'm super glad I don't have to ride in a car with you.

Bitches Brew - great album or really great album?

When I worked at a record store it was our "Store's closing, go the fuck home" CD. I listened to a lot of really bland, boring fusion in high school (Spyro Gyra, Yellowjackets, Return to Forever...zzzzzz) and thought, "Well, that's jazz fusion," and eventually "Jazz fusion sucks balls." At the time Miles Davis' fusion didn't sound that different, so going to one of his last concerts didn't really deter my notion of fusion.

Then, yeeeeeeeeeeears later I start playing with this sax player who likes fusion. Which is weird, because he's actually good, so...But I had skipped over Mahavishnu Orchestra, Sun Ra, and albums like Bitches Brew and Live/Evil. And here's the worst part, I had Herbie Hancock's Headhunters the entire time and didn't realize there was more music out there like that, only even more. I got to see the Headhunters live with Herbie Hancock at The Filmore, it was awesome.

Coltrane.

Not really familiar with him, other than his work with Davis.

You may not be ready.

Oh my god, I just heard A Love Supreme.

I have a pretty cool version of that done by John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana. It's an interesting take. Not big on guitars, but you know...I've been listening to Coltrane's Love Supreme since high school.

... I did too

Ooh, a contender. Sadly that's the extent of my jazz concerts.

There will be more that I might have forgotten than I'll remember:
Dizzy Gillespie
Miles Davis
Tony Williams with his own band (including Bill Pierce)
Tony Williams with the rest of the Miles Davis quintet sans Miles Davis (Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter)
Master class with Ray Brown, that was cool.
Sonny Rollins
Branford Marsalis three times in the same week, then met him later.
Joe Pass
Dirty Dozen Brass Band
World Saxophone Quartet
Sex Mob
Freddie Hubbard
Joe Williams (and Tony Bennett, but after Joe Williams, we were satisfied and left early)
Pretty much every legendary piano player still breathing doing a Bud Powell tribute in San Francisco.
Ornette Coleman
Pharaoh Sanders
...

That's probably enough for now.

Just so we're all clear, Wynton Marsalis and Kenny G are NOT jazz.

Alright, I get the Kenny G thing...but Wynton Marsalis? You're shrummin' dude.

I do want to learn jazzier styles though, the problem is I have absolutely no confidence in my improvisational abilites. That's what you get in methods that train you for the classical world...

No one does at first. But then you realize you've been noodling on the instrument since you first started and all improvising is, really, is guided noodling.

So, who here plays in a jazz band or can play a traditional jazz instrument?

Sax-a-ma-phone.

To avoid quoting your other posts, here's the breakdown of the saxophone family.

The soprano sax is that super eager guy, the one that shows girls how high he can karate kick in the hopes that it will get him a date. But it doesn't. But everyone watches, because just maybe, he'll fall on his ass. Sidney Bechet, obvious exception, without him, we are nothing.

The alto saxophone is foreplay. It's nice, but it's a little too much into its technique, and is acting like this whole thing is a favor to you and you should be grateful to experience it's skills.

The tenor sax is makin' love. It's that slow, back-lit red hued down to it that makes people grab sheets and arc their heads back in edited for broadcast post watershed hour television. The tenor sax lets you finish first, but only because it thinks that's sexy.

The bari sax is just straight fuckin'. Dirty, nasty, gnarly, replace-the-furniture down to business 'makin' puppies' fucking.

And yes. All of the saxophones are sex. Saxophones are sex instruments. If you chose another instrument, you'll have to work harder.

30s to 60s, everything goes. I especially like Mingus and Cannonball Adderley, the whole bop-era really.

Love both.

I've been pretty into free and avante-garde jazz, late Coltrane, Eric Dolphy, Ornette Coleman, Art Ensemble of Chicago, etc. I was going through my collection of CDs trying to update shit (until I borked my hard-drive...) and realized I hadn't really been giving 'Hard Bop' its due, David "Fathead" Newman (seriously, Hard Times is bordering on becoming an anthem for me), Horace Silver, etc. Really have been getting into that after I hit a bunch of re-issues.

And obviously early fusion before it got...soft. Third stream can be pretty entertaining, Gil Evans Out of the Cool is an awesome album, as is the Gil Evans/Miles Davis recordings. I have a recording of Gil Evans that he was supposed to do with Jimi Hendricks but Jimi died, so it's just Gil Evans arrangements of Jimi's music. That's pretty cool.

So...uh...yeah. I like jazz. Also, I miss multiquote from Jolt. Not Jolt, just Jolt's multiquote.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I just don't get jazz, i've never really got jazz at all but i know folks who like it and generally my tastes in everything creative are wholly different from theirs so maybe there's a link there

[Meryuma]

I just don't get jazz, i've never really got jazz at all but i know folks who like it and generally my tastes in everything creative are wholly different from theirs so maybe there's a link there

What jazz have you heard? And what music do you listen to?

[Frenequesta]

Just so we're all clear, Wynton Marsalis and Kenny G are NOT jazz.

Alright, I get the Kenny G thing...but Wynton Marsalis? You're shrummin' dude.[/quote]
To be fair, Marsalis seems to have been quite active in the composition of "jazz-influenced" classical music, but I have heard him play "proper" jazz.

I do want to learn jazzier styles though, the problem is I have absolutely no confidence in my improvisational abilites. That's what you get in methods that train you for the classical world...

No one does at first. But then you realize you've been noodling on the instrument since you first started and all improvising is, really, is guided noodling.
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That's reassuring. I frequently alter rhythms when I practice even when I play classical music, but much less often the harmonies or the melody. Someday...

[Cannot think of a name]

To be fair, Marsalis seems to have been quite active in the composition of "jazz-influenced" classical music, but I have heard him play "proper" jazz.

Holy shit, who have you guys been listening to? He literally went back to the beginning and played his way through every style of jazz until he composed Blood on the Fields. I am completely stunned. It's like you guys are going, "To be fair, Louis Armstrong was a singer, not a trumpet player." I'm having fits. He's the artistic director the Jazz at the Lincoln Center for fucks sake...How about Cherokee, the standard for soloists, is that jazz enough? How about April in Paris on one of the volumes of jazz standards he's done? Not jazz enough? How about Charlie Parker's barn burning Donna Lee.

Seriously, what Wynton Marsalis have you guys been talking about? Those all were just the top picks from YouTubing Wynton Marsalis, this isn't deep catalog, this is what he does.

That's reassuring. I frequently alter rhythms when I practice even when I play classical music, but much less often the harmonies or the melody. Someday...

Play along with recordings. If you can shut out the soloist (I have a hard time with that) you can essentially practice improvising without having to invite a rhythm section over.

[Frenequesta]

To be fair, Marsalis seems to have been quite active in the composition of "jazz-influenced" classical music, but I have heard him play "proper" jazz.

Holy shit, who have you guys been listening to? He literally went back to the beginning and played his way through every style of jazz until he composed Blood on the Fields. I am completely stunned. It's like you guys are going, "To be fair, Louis Armstrong was a singer, not a trumpet player." I'm having fits. He's the artistic director the Jazz at the Lincoln Center for fucks sake...How about Cherokee, the standard for soloists, is that jazz enough? How about April in Paris on one of the volumes of jazz standards he's done? Not jazz enough? How about Charlie Parker's barn burning Donna Lee.

Seriously, what Wynton Marsalis have you guys been talking about? Those all were just the top picks from YouTubing Wynton Marsalis, this isn't deep catalog, this is what he does.

That was more directed to Bluth than to you, I was trying to agree with you. Perhaps I shouldn't have quoted you directly.

That's reassuring. I frequently alter rhythms when I practice even when I play classical music, but much less often the harmonies or the melody. Someday...

Play along with recordings. If you can shut out the soloist (I have a hard time with that) you can essentially practice improvising without having to invite a rhythm section over.

Since I actually am more interested in pursuing solo jazz piano, this would be even easier for me. I might try this, thanks!

[Bluth Corporation]

Seriously, what Wynton Marsalis have you guys been talking about?

The one who thinks technical virtuosity is a substitute for innovation, creativity, and emotional investment.

[Cannot think of a name]

Seriously, what Wynton Marsalis have you guys been talking about?

The one who thinks technical virtuosity is a substitute for innovation, creativity, and emotional investment.

Yeah, you're still high. Blood on the Field was one of the most innovative, creative, and emotionally charged jazz compositions since Mingus' Epitaph.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I just don't get jazz, i've never really got jazz at all but i know folks who like it and generally my tastes in everything creative are wholly different from theirs so maybe there's a link there

What jazz have you heard? And what music do you listen to?

idk anytime i hear a sax or the like i just shutdown i don't really pay attention to it. sorry.

well i've got interest in a few ambient musics atm along with a spattering of a few rock/metal songs, maybe the odd electronica song i like some grunge too. but i'm usually really strict on what kinda music i like unless i'm at someone elses do then i just put up with whatever. I mean i've had a few rock songs from back in the day i now can't stand at all.
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