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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:47 pm

I'm beginning to suspect that 90% of players don't realize the "premium tanks" are usually tanks with no other advantage other then better matchmaking.

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Postby Vareiln » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:15 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I'm beginning to suspect that 90% of players don't realize the "premium tanks" are usually tanks with no other advantage other then better matchmaking.

Yeah, it's interesting to see how people play their free T14s on the Xbox...

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:49 pm

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United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I'm beginning to suspect that 90% of players don't realize the "premium tanks" are usually tanks with no other advantage other then better matchmaking.

Yeah, it's interesting to see how people play their free T14s on the Xbox...

see I'm finding that the only thing you need to do to stop a tier 5 lemming train is destroy the T14 leading it, especially when I'm in an AT-2 and it appears that I just took it out without a scratch (in reality I just spent over a minute stuck in place do to being tracked). Hell I found a T-34, 2 Stug 3 and a whole platoon of PZ.1c's hiding behind the castle on Erlenberg because they were too scared to face me after I obliterated a T14 and a M4 while sitting in an open field. to be fair though the Pz.1's redeemed themselves by acting as decoy, going as far as to ram my 41 ton vehicle with their 8 ton light tanks, but the other three ended up running to the other side of the map to die.

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:17 am

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United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I'm beginning to suspect that 90% of players don't realize the "premium tanks" are usually tanks with no other advantage other then better matchmaking.

Yeah, it's interesting to see how people play their free T14s on the Xbox...

I've never played the Xbox version, but the T14 is my favourite of the Tier V premium heavies.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:40 am

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Vareiln wrote:Yeah, it's interesting to see how people play their free T14s on the Xbox...

I've never played the Xbox version, but the T14 is my favourite of the Tier V premium heavies.

That big boy version of the Sherman is pretty popular because of its armour protection. I considered buying the T14, but I went for the Excelsior instead and never looked back. How can you go wrong with a tank named after Stan Lee's favorite exclamation?
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:50 am

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Tagmatium wrote:I've never played the Xbox version, but the T14 is my favourite of the Tier V premium heavies.

That big boy version of the Sherman is pretty popular because of its armour protection. I considered buying the T14, but I went for the Excelsior instead and never looked back. How can you go wrong with a tank named after Stan Lee's favorite exclamation?

The armour isn't stunning, and both the Excelsior and the T14 do have the same shit gun...
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:07 am

Tagmatium wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:That big boy version of the Sherman is pretty popular because of its armour protection. I considered buying the T14, but I went for the Excelsior instead and never looked back. How can you go wrong with a tank named after Stan Lee's favorite exclamation?

The armour isn't stunning, and both the Excelsior and the T14 do have the same shit gun...

At least those guns fire fast. And maybe it's just me, but the Excelsior actually works for me.

Today is the first time I ever saw the term "Sitzkrieg", by the way. I think I will add that one to my vocabulary, it gives me something to scream in frustration during those matches that do not go so well.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:10 am

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Tagmatium wrote:The armour isn't stunning, and both the Excelsior and the T14 do have the same shit gun...

At least those guns fire fast. And maybe it's just me, but the Excelsior actually works for me.

Today is the first time I ever saw the term "Sitzkrieg", by the way. I think I will add that one to my vocabulary, it gives me something to scream in frustration during those matches that do not go so well.

It is quite a good word :P

And different tanks working for different people - I've seen people who love the M3 Lee.

I've not used the tank, but one of my clanmates used it for a while and did dislike it.
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Postby Republic of Trollandia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:12 am

Tagmatium wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:At least those guns fire fast. And maybe it's just me, but the Excelsior actually works for me.

Today is the first time I ever saw the term "Sitzkrieg", by the way. I think I will add that one to my vocabulary, it gives me something to scream in frustration during those matches that do not go so well.

It is quite a good word :P

And different tanks working for different people - I've seen people who love the M3 Lee.

I've not used the tank, but one of my clanmates used it for a while and did dislike it.

How do you simply like the M3 Lee?

You get over the hill, see a Hetzer, die without being able to fire a shot (or without penning).
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:23 am

Republic of Trollandia wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:It is quite a good word :P

And different tanks working for different people - I've seen people who love the M3 Lee.

I've not used the tank, but one of my clanmates used it for a while and did dislike it.

How do you simply like the M3 Lee?

You get over the hill, see a Hetzer, die without being able to fire a shot (or without penning).

Not sure...

I've usually viewed it as something of an easy kill.
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Postby Republic of Trollandia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:31 am

Tagmatium wrote:
Republic of Trollandia wrote:How do you simply like the M3 Lee?

You get over the hill, see a Hetzer, die without being able to fire a shot (or without penning).

Not sure...

I've usually viewed it as something of an easy kill.

I remember I was in my Jadgpanther IV and there was this camping M3 Lee. I murdered it.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:34 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:Today is the first time I ever saw the term "Sitzkrieg", by the way. I think I will add that one to my vocabulary, it gives me something to scream in frustration during those matches that do not go so well.

First I heard that term was in relation to wargame.

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Postby Person012345 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:39 am

Also the lee is among the worst tanks in the game, anyone who says it's anything more than a steaming turd pretending to be a tank is a dirty liar.

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:47 am

Person012345 wrote:Also the lee is among the worst tanks in the game, anyone who says it's anything more than a steaming turd pretending to be a tank is a dirty liar.

Back when I bothered to go on the WoT forums, there was a dude who's sig proclaimed how wonderful the tank was and how good he was in it.

I free exp'd past it.
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Postby Republic of Trollandia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:54 am

Person012345 wrote:Also the lee is among the worst tanks in the game, anyone who says it's anything more than a steaming turd pretending to be a tank is a dirty liar.

Along with the Churchill GC, the M3 Lee sucks shit.
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Postby Brickistan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:12 am

Republic of Trollandia wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Also the lee is among the worst tanks in the game, anyone who says it's anything more than a steaming turd pretending to be a tank is a dirty liar.

Along with the Churchill GC, the M3 Lee sucks shit.


Is the Gun Carrier really that bad?

I like it in Flames of War and was thinking of moving towards it as I go through the British tech-tree. Looking at it, it seems to have access to some serious firepower and on the few occasions I have encountered it, I have learned to fear it's firepower.

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Postby Republic of Trollandia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:37 am

Brickistan wrote:
Republic of Trollandia wrote:Along with the Churchill GC, the M3 Lee sucks shit.


Is the Gun Carrier really that bad?

I like it in Flames of War and was thinking of moving towards it as I go through the British tech-tree. Looking at it, it seems to have access to some serious firepower and on the few occasions I have encountered it, I have learned to fear it's firepower.

:palm:

It's horrible. To kill a GC, all you have to do is outflank it, and kill. It has a long Aim Time, and by the time you have it locked, the enemy's away. Horrible top speed, and horrible armour. Horrible camo, horrible everything.
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Postby Brickistan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:31 am

Republic of Trollandia wrote:
Brickistan wrote:
Is the Gun Carrier really that bad?

I like it in Flames of War and was thinking of moving towards it as I go through the British tech-tree. Looking at it, it seems to have access to some serious firepower and on the few occasions I have encountered it, I have learned to fear it's firepower.

:palm:

It's horrible. To kill a GC, all you have to do is outflank it, and kill. It has a long Aim Time, and by the time you have it locked, the enemy's away. Horrible top speed, and horrible armour. Horrible camo, horrible everything.


Well, most of that goes for all tank destroyers. Once outflanked, they're easy prey - most of them, anyway.

They're second-line tanks. Or the plug that you put in a choke-point. The second usage, however, does require good frontal armour. Lacking that... Well... Better stay away from the front-line then...

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:39 am

XVM to be banned?
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Postby Brickistan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:41 am

Tagmatium wrote:XVM to be banned?


One can only hope...

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Postby Oaledonia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:44 am

You guys are aware that you can buy the Premium beta Sherman on the xbox, right?
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Postby Republic of Trollandia » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:51 am

Brickistan wrote:
Republic of Trollandia wrote: :palm:

It's horrible. To kill a GC, all you have to do is outflank it, and kill. It has a long Aim Time, and by the time you have it locked, the enemy's away. Horrible top speed, and horrible armour. Horrible camo, horrible everything.


Well, most of that goes for all tank destroyers. Once outflanked, they're easy prey - most of them, anyway.

They're second-line tanks. Or the plug that you put in a choke-point. The second usage, however, does require good frontal armour. Lacking that... Well... Better stay away from the front-line then...


They're a huge bother to the team; they need protecting and spotting, and does not guarantee results.
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Postby Brickistan » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:59 am

Republic of Trollandia wrote:
Brickistan wrote:
Well, most of that goes for all tank destroyers. Once outflanked, they're easy prey - most of them, anyway.

They're second-line tanks. Or the plug that you put in a choke-point. The second usage, however, does require good frontal armour. Lacking that... Well... Better stay away from the front-line then...


They're a huge bother to the team; they need protecting and spotting, and does not guarantee results.



Which also goes for most tank destroyers. They're vastly more effective if they have a few tanks attached to them, tasked with spotting and keeping bothersome enemies away.

A few destroyers, placed hull down in defensive positions, and screened by several tanks can be a real nasty "castle" to deal with. A destroyer caught alone in the open is in deep trouble.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:06 am

Brickistan wrote:
Republic of Trollandia wrote:
They're a huge bother to the team; they need protecting and spotting, and does not guarantee results.


Which also goes for most tank destroyers. They're vastly more effective if they have a few tanks attached to them, tasked with spotting and keeping bothersome enemies away.

A few destroyers, placed hull down in defensive positions, and screened by several tanks can be a real nasty "castle" to deal with. A destroyer caught alone in the open is in deep trouble.

With the possible exception of that overarmoured crawler known as the AT 2.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:18 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Brickistan wrote:
Which also goes for most tank destroyers. They're vastly more effective if they have a few tanks attached to them, tasked with spotting and keeping bothersome enemies away.

A few destroyers, placed hull down in defensive positions, and screened by several tanks can be a real nasty "castle" to deal with. A destroyer caught alone in the open is in deep trouble.

With the possible exception of that overarmoured crawler known as the AT 2.

You can catch it and open up on its weak spots if it's completely in the open, or driven by someone who allows themselves to become outflanked and surrounded.
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