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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:21 am

Tagmatium wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:and at least in WoT you normally don't have to worry about 4 teammates wasting you from behind trying to hit a target in front of you.

Well...

how many times have you honestly see a conga line of tanks chasing one enemy like you see in WT

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:34 am

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Tagmatium wrote:Well...

how many times have you honestly see a conga line of tanks chasing one enemy like you see in WT

WoT tends to have a dedicated lemming train every other game, for some reason WT's conga lines actually sound like way more fun. It's probably just the name.
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Postby Orussia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:43 pm

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Postby Graditora » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:03 pm

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Postby Orussia » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:19 pm

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Huh, do tell.

Stay mobile, get into close-quarters battles as often as possible with enemies that are already engaged, preferably from a flank. Hard to really explain, it's more about learning by trial and error.
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Postby Vareiln » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:31 pm

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Brickistan wrote:Which is, pretty much, what's happening in World of Tanks now, with players happily letting their own team-mates get turned into a smoking wreck without offering any kind of help.

But sometimes a team just works. I will happily drive my tank forwards in order to spot enemy units if I know several tank destroyers got my back. When it works, it's magic. WoT and WT alike have their fair share of utter and complete herpderpers, of course. It could be worse, though. From all the videos I've seen, it seems as if many, many Russian WoT-players prefer ramming over ballistics. Granted, it's one way to safe ammo.

It's also the most fun way to do things.

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:38 pm

Registug wrote:I like slow paced tactical games where charging out is just gonna get you killed. That's how tanks were, you're fucked after the first penetration

WT and WOT are completely different games and I'm going to keep playing both. I'm going to rip into anyone who says either are bad without an "IMO" at the end.

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Postby Graditora » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:38 pm

Orussia wrote:
Graditora wrote:Huh, do tell.

Stay mobile, get into close-quarters battles as often as possible with enemies that are already engaged, preferably from a flank. Hard to really explain, it's more about learning by trial and error.

Okay. Thanks. I have the T-34-85 right now and I'm getting the T-43 to get the T-62A down the line.

Sounds like a good urban brawler? Or urban flanker/support?
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Postby Registug » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:16 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Registug wrote:I like slow paced tactical games where charging out is just gonna get you killed. That's how tanks were, you're fucked after the first penetration

WT and WOT are completely different games and I'm going to keep playing both. I'm going to rip into anyone who says either are bad without an "IMO" at the end.

penetrations were quite unlikely

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:56 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...

>Wargaming
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Postby Registug » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:10 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Person012345 wrote:>Wargaming
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Giajin is barely better on that account.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:39 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Person012345 wrote:>Wargaming
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Giajin is barely better on that account.

Did anyone mention gaijin?
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Postby Brickistan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:27 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Brickistan wrote:Which is, pretty much, what's happening in World of Tanks now, with players happily letting their own team-mates get turned into a smoking wreck without offering any kind of help.

But sometimes a team just works. I will happily drive my tank forwards in order to spot enemy units if I know several tank destroyers got my back. When it works, it's magic. WoT and WT alike have their fair share of utter and complete herpderpers, of course. It could be worse, though. From all the videos I've seen, it seems as if many, many Russian WoT-players prefer ramming over ballistics. Granted, it's one way to safe ammo.


True. But in random games, it always feel as though the team is working (on the few occasions that it happens) by pure accident rather than by conscious effort on the part of the players.

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Postby Orussia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:18 pm

Here's a fun little tidbit about the KV-4. It actually handles far more like a tank instead of a bunker on treads if you stick with the stock turret, and there's only a minuscule loss of combat ability. But tbh, if you're needing those extra millimeters of side an rear turret armor, your team already fucked you over.
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Postby Licana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:36 pm

Top turret also gets rid of a weakspot, adds hitpoints, adds DPM, reduces reticle dispersion during turret traverse, and increases view range.

I would hesitate to call the loss of these factors minuscule.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:52 pm

Licana wrote:Top turret also gets rid of a weakspot, adds hitpoints, adds DPM, reduces reticle dispersion during turret traverse, and increases view range.

I would hesitate to call the loss of these factors minuscule.

Not that it truly matters. When in doubt, go for the IS-3.
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Postby Orussia » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:26 pm

Licana wrote:Top turret also gets rid of a weakspot, adds hitpoints, adds DPM, reduces reticle dispersion during turret traverse, and increases view range.

I would hesitate to call the loss of these factors minuscule.

Actually, there are several frontal weakspots that are present on the top turret that aren't present on the stock turret.
Such as the strip underneath the mantlet. On the stock turret, it is far smaller and angled. On the top turret, it's half the height of the mantlet and flatter than a Tiger H's armor. Also, the tumorturret on the top turret is much larger than the tiny little cupola on the stock turret.

I already have to wait what seems like a week for the gun to aim, so a .01 increase doesn't affect me.

View range? The KV-4 is not going to be frontlining on open maps. City maps have sight lines that guarantee the KV-4 will spot everything that needs spotting.

But the main advantage is the maneuverability that comes with shedding 9 tons of side and rear turret armor. Lets me wiggle my hull faster to throw off people trying to pen my LFP.
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Postby Licana » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:59 pm

Orussia wrote:Actually, there are several frontal weakspots that are present on the top turret that aren't present on the stock turret.

ur rite. Except not really.

Orussia wrote:Such as the strip underneath the mantlet. On the stock turret, it is far smaller and angled. On the top turret, it's half the height of the mantlet and flatter than a Tiger H's armor. Also, the tumorturret on the top turret is much larger than the tiny little cupola on the stock turret.

Who cares because the stock turret has an obvious weak spot and that the top turret doesn't share.

Orussia wrote:I already have to wait what seems like a week for the gun to aim, so a .01 increase doesn't affect me.

The aim time isn't that bad baddie.

Orussia wrote:View range? The KV-4 is not going to be frontlining on open maps. City maps have sight lines that guarantee the KV-4 will spot everything that needs spotting.

It should always be at the front line baddie, your KV-4 is not for sniping.

Orussia wrote:But the main advantage is the maneuverability that comes with shedding 9 tons of side and rear turret armor. Lets me wiggle my hull faster to throw off people trying to pen my LFP.

Your main advantage is kind of garbage considering it's still less maneuverable than literally every other tier 8 heavy.
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

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Postby Vareiln » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:23 pm

Oh my god. I have never had such warm and fuzzy feelings about a tank within the first five games.
I have a strong feeling I'm going to love the AT-15.
EDIT: Or, at least, I will when I'm not stuck with the pants-on-head brigade.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:45 pm

Vareiln wrote:Oh my god. I have never had such warm and fuzzy feelings about a tank within the first five games.
I have a strong feeling I'm going to love the AT-15.
EDIT: Or, at least, I will when I'm not stuck with the pants-on-head brigade.

teammates leaving you to cover the entire side of a map by yourself

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Postby Vareiln » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:47 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Oh my god. I have never had such warm and fuzzy feelings about a tank within the first five games.
I have a strong feeling I'm going to love the AT-15.
EDIT: Or, at least, I will when I'm not stuck with the pants-on-head brigade.

teammates leaving you to cover the entire side of a map by yourself

Teammates letting us get flanked by a Caernarvon while driving head on into an enemy ambush when there were less of us than them.
So, yeah, it was me against that... thing and a couple of other enemies who were taking potshots at me. A Hummel killed me.
EDIT: And all my allies tried to do a sitzkrieg... as the offensive side in Malinovka assault. How or why they expect a damaged AT-15 to scout is the greatest mystery I think I've ever found.
EDIT AGAIN: Five losses in a row. World of Tanks on the Xbox must be going Full Potato right now.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:19 pm

Vareiln wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:teammates leaving you to cover the entire side of a map by yourself

Teammates letting us get flanked by a Caernarvon while driving head on into an enemy ambush when there were less of us than them.
So, yeah, it was me against that... thing and a couple of other enemies who were taking potshots at me. A Hummel killed me.
EDIT: And all my allies tried to do a sitzkrieg... as the offensive side in Malinovka assault. How or why they expect a damaged AT-15 to scout is the greatest mystery I think I've ever found.
EDIT AGAIN: Five losses in a row. World of Tanks on the Xbox must be going Full Potato right now.

Just have to fight off half the enemy team on Erlenberg. thank god its almost always in a tier 5 match in an AT-2

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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:22 pm

Vareiln wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:teammates leaving you to cover the entire side of a map by yourself

Teammates letting us get flanked by a Caernarvon while driving head on into an enemy ambush when there were less of us than them.
So, yeah, it was me against that... thing and a couple of other enemies who were taking potshots at me. A Hummel killed me.
EDIT: And all my allies tried to do a sitzkrieg... as the offensive side in Malinovka assault. How or why they expect a damaged AT-15 to scout is the greatest mystery I think I've ever found.
EDIT AGAIN: Five losses in a row. World of Tanks on the Xbox must be going Full Potato right now.

Probably your team was full of RED tomatoes :D
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:31 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Teammates letting us get flanked by a Caernarvon while driving head on into an enemy ambush when there were less of us than them.
So, yeah, it was me against that... thing and a couple of other enemies who were taking potshots at me. A Hummel killed me.
EDIT: And all my allies tried to do a sitzkrieg... as the offensive side in Malinovka assault. How or why they expect a damaged AT-15 to scout is the greatest mystery I think I've ever found.
EDIT AGAIN: Five losses in a row. World of Tanks on the Xbox must be going Full Potato right now.

Probably your team was full of RED tomatoes :D

Hah! Probably.
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