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Postby Licana » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:57 pm

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Postby Hamittia » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:23 pm

so I've finally got the chinesu T-34 and the Sherman
the stalinec Russian T-34 is a few days away because fuck the T-50
i feel so empty now

apart from the KV-1S what are the other good tier 6 tanks I should prioritize?
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Postby Novorden » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Hamittia wrote:so I've finally got the chinesu T-34 and the Sherman
the stalinec Russian T-34 is a few days away because fuck the T-50
i feel so empty now

apart from the KV-1S what are the other good tier 6 tanks I should prioritize?

Personally, I love the Cromwell.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:06 pm

Vareiln wrote:The moral of this story is that facing German tank destroyers from head-on is a Bad Idea™.


Except in British heavy tanks of equal or above tiers. Then it's somewhat entertaining.

I miss the Churchill VII.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:10 pm

Brickistan wrote:In theory, yeah...

Problem is that there are plenty of fast mediums that can scout as well as a tier four scout. And packs enough of a punch to actually be a threat.

But yes, stay away from the big heavies. Hide, flank, shoot'n'scoot... Just don't try to go face-to-face with 'em...


Or one can simply hunt around and try to find lone tank destroyers and exploit the juicy flaw that is not having a turret. Worked against an ISU-152.
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Postby Brickistan » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:31 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Brickistan wrote:In theory, yeah...

Problem is that there are plenty of fast mediums that can scout as well as a tier four scout. And packs enough of a punch to actually be a threat.

But yes, stay away from the big heavies. Hide, flank, shoot'n'scoot... Just don't try to go face-to-face with 'em...


Or one can simply hunt around and try to find lone tank destroyers and exploit the juicy flaw that is not having a turret. Worked against an ISU-152.


Sure.

Although that's a lot easier said than done, given that many tank destroyers have pretty good cam-values, likes to lurk in protected positions, and deal high alpha-damage. They can be flanked, of course, but a good player will make it pretty difficult, not to mention dangerous.

Also, tier three and four guns aren't really that great against tier seven and eight tanks. Don't know how good guns can be found on the later tanks, but in my opinion tier four scouts are generally underpowered and undergunned. I do like my M5 Stuart though, it's somewhat maneuverable and the 75 mm. troll-gun can be fun if you can get into position to use it.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:37 am

Brickistan wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Or one can simply hunt around and try to find lone tank destroyers and exploit the juicy flaw that is not having a turret. Worked against an ISU-152.


Sure.

Although that's a lot easier said than done, given that many tank destroyers have pretty good cam-values, likes to lurk in protected positions, and deal high alpha-damage. They can be flanked, of course, but a good player will make it pretty difficult, not to mention dangerous.

Also, tier three and four guns aren't really that great against tier seven and eight tanks. Don't know how good guns can be found on the later tanks, but in my opinion tier four scouts are generally underpowered and undergunned. I do like my M5 Stuart though, it's somewhat maneuverable and the 75 mm. troll-gun can be fun if you can get into position to use it.


Well, this was in the ELC with the 90mm gun and the TD was in the wide open with no heavy tanks around so...I guess I was fortunate.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:16 am

Vareiln wrote:Okay, now I'm just sick and tired of the Jumbo Sherman.

it gets pretty bad matchmaking sometimes
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:46 am

According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...
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Postby Tagmatium » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:21 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...

Seems a bit... odd.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:00 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...

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Postby Vareiln » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:13 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:According to For The Record:

One undocumented change in 8.11 is that the display of winrate has changed. Where it was for example 52,7 percent, now it is 52 percent. This is intentional.

One has to wonder what the logic is behind that decision...

commie math

Working as intended.

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Postby Jinos » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:01 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:commie math

Working as intended.


Floating point numbers (decimals in computer talk) are the real cause for WOT lag. True story.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:21 am

Jinos wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Working as intended.

Floating point numbers (decimals in computer talk) are the real cause for WOT lag. True story.

I can see it now... that would explain EVERYTHING! I guess we now all have to play War Thunder, because blowing tanks up with one shell is the only true way to play tank games. Or getting hit by dive bombers, of course. WoT has a distinct lack of aerial tank hunters, which is outrageous.
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Postby Hamittia » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:14 am

Novorden wrote:Personally, I love the Cromwell.
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but it goes through the crusader doesn't it
and if the crusader is similar to the covenanter I'm not sure it'll be a fun ride :/
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Postby Graditora » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:19 am

Hamittia wrote:
Novorden wrote:Personally, I love the Cromwell.
(Image)

but it goes through the crusader doesn't it
and if the crusader is similar to the covenanter I'm not sure it'll be a fun ride :/

The Crusader gets a way better gun then the conventer and isn't half that bad.
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Postby Registug » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:32 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Jinos wrote:Floating point numbers (decimals in computer talk) are the real cause for WOT lag. True story.

I can see it now... that would explain EVERYTHING! I guess we now all have to play War Thunder, because blowing tanks up with one shell is the only true way to play tank games. Or getting hit by dive bombers, of course. WoT has a distinct lack of aerial tank hunters, which is outrageous.

>implying these are bad things

I like tactical games tyvm
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Postby Licana » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:33 pm

Registug wrote:>implying these are bad things

I like tactical games tyvm

The implication here that WoT is not a game based in tactics is somewhat silly.
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

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Postby Registug » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:00 pm

I like slow paced tactical games where charging out is just gonna get you killed. That's how tanks were, you're fucked after the first penetration

WT and WOT are completely different games and I'm going to keep playing both. I'm going to rip into anyone who says either are bad without an "IMO" at the end.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:07 pm

Registug wrote:I like slow paced tactical games where charging out is just gonna get you killed. That's how tanks were, you're fucked after the first penetration

WT and WOT are completely different games and I'm going to keep playing both. I'm going to rip into anyone who says either are bad without an "IMO" at the end.

I must say the whole combined arms idea kind of scares me. Not saying its going to be bad, just that I foresee a lot of matches that just turn into one sides ground force getting turned into moving target practice because their air counterparts are complete idiots

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Postby Brickistan » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:40 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Registug wrote:I like slow paced tactical games where charging out is just gonna get you killed. That's how tanks were, you're fucked after the first penetration

WT and WOT are completely different games and I'm going to keep playing both. I'm going to rip into anyone who says either are bad without an "IMO" at the end.

I must say the whole combined arms idea kind of scares me. Not saying its going to be bad, just that I foresee a lot of matches that just turn into one sides ground force getting turned into moving target practice because their air counterparts are complete idiots


Which is, pretty much, what's happening in World of Tanks now, with players happily letting their own team-mates get turned into a smoking wreck without offering any kind of help.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:56 am

Brickistan wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I must say the whole combined arms idea kind of scares me. Not saying its going to be bad, just that I foresee a lot of matches that just turn into one sides ground force getting turned into moving target practice because their air counterparts are complete idiots

Which is, pretty much, what's happening in World of Tanks now, with players happily letting their own team-mates get turned into a smoking wreck without offering any kind of help.

But sometimes a team just works. I will happily drive my tank forwards in order to spot enemy units if I know several tank destroyers got my back. When it works, it's magic. WoT and WT alike have their fair share of utter and complete herpderpers, of course. It could be worse, though. From all the videos I've seen, it seems as if many, many Russian WoT-players prefer ramming over ballistics. Granted, it's one way to safe ammo.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:16 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Brickistan wrote:Which is, pretty much, what's happening in World of Tanks now, with players happily letting their own team-mates get turned into a smoking wreck without offering any kind of help.

But sometimes a team just works. I will happily drive my tank forwards in order to spot enemy units if I know several tank destroyers got my back. When it works, it's magic. WoT and WT alike have their fair share of utter and complete herpderpers, of course. It could be worse, though. From all the videos I've seen, it seems as if many, many Russian WoT-players prefer ramming over ballistics. Granted, it's one way to safe ammo.

and at least in WoT you normally don't have to worry about 4 teammates wasting you from behind trying to hit a target in front of you.
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Postby Tagmatium » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:17 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:But sometimes a team just works. I will happily drive my tank forwards in order to spot enemy units if I know several tank destroyers got my back. When it works, it's magic. WoT and WT alike have their fair share of utter and complete herpderpers, of course. It could be worse, though. From all the videos I've seen, it seems as if many, many Russian WoT-players prefer ramming over ballistics. Granted, it's one way to safe ammo.

and at least in WoT you normally don't have to worry about 4 teammates wasting you from behind trying to hit a target in front of you.

Well...
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