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[Transnapastain]

and leaves AMX 40 for arty to deal with

Yes, the duck is unkillable death monster of doom

Its not nearly so bad now, but, I remember when the French tree first came out, I was in a space duck, with my friend also in one, shooting it out across the square in Ruinberg with two others.

We seriously shot at each other for 5 minutes. no penns, no damage. Nothing, just bouncing off each other ineffectively. It was only when a real tank, this being a KV-1, rolled up that anything actually died.

[Costa Fierro]

Yes, the duck is unkillable death monster of doom

Its not nearly so bad now, but, I remember when the French tree first came out, I was in a space duck, with my friend also in one, shooting it out across the square in Ruinberg with two others.

We seriously shot at each other for 5 minutes. no penns, no damage. Nothing, just bouncing off each other ineffectively. It was only when a real tank, this being a KV-1, rolled up that anything actually died.

Those were the glory days. Did wish the gun would load faster though.

[Transnapastain]

Its not nearly so bad now, but, I remember when the French tree first came out, I was in a space duck, with my friend also in one, shooting it out across the square in Ruinberg with two others.

We seriously shot at each other for 5 minutes. no penns, no damage. Nothing, just bouncing off each other ineffectively. It was only when a real tank, this being a KV-1, rolled up that anything actually died.

Those were the glory days. Did wish the gun would load faster though.

Yes. That was the thing that killed the Space Duck for me. The reload speed and the accuracy just....they just weren't there.

[Costa Fierro]

Yes. That was the thing that killed the Space Duck for me. The reload speed and the accuracy just....they just weren't there.

I remember an encounter with an M3 Lee in which I was rammed. The Lee fired twice in the same amount of time it took me to reload. Thankfully, this being the early days, both shots bounced off the front.

[Rich and Corporations]

the penetration model is not realistic
it needs to be more random to reflect reality

[Registug]

the penetration model is not realistic
it needs to be more random to reflect reality

I was wondering when you'd come in and start spouting "penetration isn't binary!"

You know the game operates on a random number generator, right?

[Rich and Corporations]

the penetration model is not realistic
it needs to be more random to reflect reality

I was wondering when you'd come in and start spouting "penetration isn't binary!"

You know the game operates on a random number generator, right?

it's an unrealistic gaussian curve whereas reality is more of a linear curve

according to greatest tank battles on netflix, the sherman can shrug off a shot by a Jagdtiger.

[Registug]

And so it can in this game if the Jagdtiger makes a very unlucky shot

remember though, this is an arcade game, not realistic in any manner or form

[Rich and Corporations]

And so it can in this game if the Jagdtiger makes a very unlucky shot

remember though, this is an arcade game, not realistic in any manner or form

but
RNG

[Registug]

What about it?

[Brickistan]

I was wondering when you'd come in and start spouting "penetration isn't binary!"

You know the game operates on a random number generator, right?

it's an unrealistic gaussian curve whereas reality is more of a linear curve

according to greatest tank battles on netflix, the sherman can shrug off a shot by a Jagdtiger.

Kidding, right?

A Sherman hit by a shot from a Jagdtiger would have to be extremely lucky to survive. Basically, it would have to be hit at an extreme angle, leading to a ricochet, or have the shell blow right through without hitting crew or ammunition.

And gaussian curve? Perhaps you're thinking of the aiming system which works like that. Penetration, on the other hand, is mostly linear, taking distance, angle, slope, and spaced armour into account.

[Rich and Corporations]

it's an unrealistic gaussian curve whereas reality is more of a linear curve

according to greatest tank battles on netflix, the sherman can shrug off a shot by a Jagdtiger.

Kidding, right?

A Sherman hit by a shot from a Jagdtiger would have to be extremely lucky to survive. Basically, it would have to be hit at an extreme angle, leading to a ricochet, or have the shell blow right through without hitting crew or ammunition.

And gaussian curve? Perhaps you're thinking of the aiming system which works like that. Penetration, on the other hand, is mostly linear, taking distance, angle, slope, and spaced armour into account.

no, pretty sure it's gaussian, or I'd be able to penetration Type 59 armor once every ten shots.

[Brickistan]

Kidding, right?

A Sherman hit by a shot from a Jagdtiger would have to be extremely lucky to survive. Basically, it would have to be hit at an extreme angle, leading to a ricochet, or have the shell blow right through without hitting crew or ammunition.

And gaussian curve? Perhaps you're thinking of the aiming system which works like that. Penetration, on the other hand, is mostly linear, taking distance, angle, slope, and spaced armour into account.

no, pretty sure it's gaussian, or I'd be able to penetration Type 59 armor once every ten shots.

Hmmm... Had to check myself, just to be sure...

Interesting tidbit:

Penetration values displayed for a gun/shell combination are average values. The actual penetration value is randomized by up to +/- 25% around the average value. Randomization occurs on impact with the target, separately for each new shell you fire.

I must admit that it does sound like it could be a gaussean function. However, there's no indication if the randomization is linear or gaussean in nature, so who knows. As with so many things in this game, the details are not known.

[Hamittia]

is anyone else getting really really strange matchmaking?

[Brickistan]

is anyone else getting really really strange matchmaking?

Strange as in "stranger than usual"?

[Hamittia]

Strange as in "stranger than usual"?

strange as in one team with 8 heavies (all of them churchill I/VII) against 10 TDs (hellcats, t49s, wolverines)
or is this A Thing now?

[Brickistan]

Strange as in "stranger than usual"?

strange as in one team with 8 heavies (all of them churchill I/VII) against 10 TDs (hellcats, t49s, wolverines)
or is this A Thing now?

It's always been a thing. Granted, it doesn't happen that often, but it does happen.

It does depend a lot on the current server population though. With a low population, the server will tend to come up with these kind of matches more often than when the server is fully loaded with players. Also keep in mind that platoons tend to mess up the match-maker something wicked - especially with a low population.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

I was wondering when you'd come in and start spouting "penetration isn't binary!"

You know the game operates on a random number generator, right?

it's an unrealistic gaussian curve whereas reality is more of a linear curve

according to greatest tank battles on netflix, the sherman can shrug off a shot by a Jagdtiger.

hahahaha yeah right... I have heard about a Jagdtiger shooting and punching the walls of a house and destroying the Sherman hiding behind it... and the Sherman stand zero chance if hit directly by it.

[Tagmatium]

it's an unrealistic gaussian curve whereas reality is more of a linear curve

according to greatest tank battles on netflix, the sherman can shrug off a shot by a Jagdtiger.

hahahaha yeah right... I have heard about a Jagdtiger shooting and punching the walls of a house and destroying the Sherman hiding behind it... and the Sherman stand zero chance if hit directly by it.

I believe he was highlighting the ridiculous nature of said programme.

[Hurdegaryp]

Strange as in "stranger than usual"?

strange as in one team with 8 heavies (all of them churchill I/VII) against 10 TDs (hellcats, t49s, wolverines)
or is this A Thing now?

It's actually just Confrontation, the new game mode that was introduced in 8.11. Your team was entirely composed of British vehicles, while the opposing team was driving American.

[Hamittia]

It's actually just Confrontation, the new game mode that was introduced in 8.11. Your team was entirely composed of British vehicles, while the opposing team was driving American.

oh OH
well that makes more sense than MM messing up several games in a row

[Novorden]

Strange as in "stranger than usual"?

strange as in one team with 8 heavies (all of them churchill I/VII) against 10 TDs (hellcats, t49s, wolverines)
or is this A Thing now?

I had a game with my team being all lighter tanks (BatChat 25t, WT E100, T57, etc..) and the enemy team being nothing but juggernauts (Maus, JgPz E100, FV215 (183), etc..) which was fine, expect that we were on an urban map....

[Brickistan]

Wait a minute...

So confrontation only balances by nation, not by tier and type?

[Hurdegaryp]

Wait a minute...

So confrontation only balances by nation, not by tier and type?

No, that's not how it works. In Confrontation you have teams whose vehicles are all from one nation, for example a French team versus a British team, and which are also balanced by tier & type. It's not as if you're suddenly going to have to fight a team composed of Maus tanks while driving your KV-1.

[Brickistan]

Wait a minute...

So confrontation only balances by nation, not by tier and type?

No, that's not how it works. In Confrontation you have teams whose vehicles are all from one nation, for example a French team versus a British team, and which are also balanced by tier & type. It's not as if you're suddenly going to have to fight a team composed of Maus tanks while driving your KV-1.

Ahhh... Better then...

It was just the juggernauts vs. lights comment that threw me for a moment.