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[Ruskarkand]

Well, a lot of them are a lot lower, they tend to mount more powerful guns, are quicker reloading and they have an inherent camoflague ability. There are also differences between the national ones - the American tank destroyers of level 5 and 6 also possess turrets, the Russian ones tend to be more hard-hitting whilst the German ones are usually better armoured.

I also like a few of the German panzerjagers, such as the Hetzer and the Jagdpanzer IV.

My main gripe against the Jagdpanzer IV is that it is the Vomag variant, rather than the Alkett one, which I prefer the look of.

the russian TD's are for the first 3 tiers about as well armoured as an SPG, with Maaaayyybe 20 mm front armour without any slope.
after that they start to get proper sloped armour, less frontal armour then the german tanks, but they also get side armour which the germans don't have.
further differences between german and soviet TD's are that soviet guns hit harder, but are less accurate then the german ones. given that i don't play allies, I have no clue how they relate to their TD's.

American Tank Destroyers are generally pretty worthless in Tiers two throughout four, they lack any sloped armor and have little to no armor whilst the majority of their guns are howitzers. All of them (Void tier 2) are open hatched, so they are a giant 'Shoot-me' target for the SPGs.

In tiers five throughout seven, they still lack armor but they now have sloped armor and, oddly, spots where even if a shell penetrates the armor, it will do no damage. The weapons throughout these tiers are generally lacking in stopping power. However, they more than make up for this in the penetration parameters and accuracy (Both of which are strongpoints of the American TDs)
As a bonus, Tiers 5 and 6 both have turrets (albeit slow ones), whilst still bestowing the additional skill points to your crew for the whole ventilation thing.

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As for the lands of Tier 8 or 9, I am still yet to truly find out what it's like to have 250-300mm frontal armor and move at about 13kph throughout the entire match. I will get back to you on that soon though.

[Tagmatium]

American Tank Destroyers are generally pretty worthless in Tiers two throughout four, they lack any sloped armor and have little to no armor whilst the majority of their guns are howitzers.

They're basically close-support infantry guns in a game with no infantry.

Hurrah!

[Saphirasia]

American Tank Destroyers are generally pretty worthless in Tiers two throughout four, they lack any sloped armor and have little to no armor whilst the majority of their guns are howitzers.

Ok, let me correct a few of these statements here.

Firstly, the Tier 2 US TD is amazing. It has the thickest frontal armor of any Tier 1-3, and its 75mm howitzer can 1-shot most things it hits. As a matter of fact, I got my first Top Gun in a T18. Another plus is that even at point-blank ranges, the 20/23/25mm autocannons can't penetrate its front.

The T82 is a load of junk with the 75mm, but once you get the 57mm, you have a good sniper cannon, and with the 105mm, you have portable trololol. I've 1-shot so much crap with the 105, it's not even funny.
SU-76s? SU-85Bs? T-28s? You name it, if it's Tier 4 and under, I've 1-shot it.

Prokhorovka with my T18

[Transnapastain]

and with the 105mm, you have portable trololol. I've 1-shot so much crap with the 105, it's not even funny.

This here is a fact! According to K-Stan, you can, with long distance shot, actually manage to get two rounds into the air before the first one hits! We would play T-82's together, usually me with the 57mm and him with the 105 and track/derp the day away

I'm starting to miss this game...

A few rounds should cure me of that, I'll remember why it pisses me off!

[Ruskarkand]

American Tank Destroyers are generally pretty worthless in Tiers two throughout four, they lack any sloped armor and have little to no armor whilst the majority of their guns are howitzers.

Ok, let me correct a few of these statements here.

Firstly, the Tier 2 US TD is amazing. It has the thickest frontal armor of any Tier 1-3, and its 75mm howitzer can 1-shot most things it hits. As a matter of fact, I got my first Top Gun in a T18. Another plus is that even at point-blank ranges, the 20/23/25mm autocannons can't penetrate its front.

The T82 is a load of junk with the 75mm, but once you get the 57mm, you have a good sniper cannon, and with the 105mm, you have portable trololol. I've 1-shot so much crap with the 105, it's not even funny.
SU-76s? SU-85Bs? T-28s? You name it, if it's Tier 4 and under, I've 1-shot it.

Prokhorovka with my T18

Uh, not sure if that's intentional or not, but your T18 in the screenshot appears to be an M2 Medium Tank on the map Himmelsdorf.

Now. The T18. It's a small lumbering T95 of the Tier 2 based battles. Problem is, it's Traverse speed is lacking in comparison to the other TD and the other tanks. It's going to have problems turning around to shoot at it's targets efficiently whilst they are busy hammering away at the flimsy armor on the sides and rear. In addition to that, you have a Howitzer which is not good at long range due to it's terrible accuracy. Your only alternative is a 40mm gun that actually has a sense of the word 'Accuracy'. Having an inaccurate weapon defeats the purpose of TD.

The T82 may be capable of mounting a miniature derp 105mm, but that shares the same problem with it's predecessor, it's inaccurate and unfit for TD work from long range, and you can't go in at short range because you've lost all good armor you once had and you have an open canopy, you're a big target for the SPG on the other team and you are a soft target for the other ones. It doesn't matter how many tanks you are capable of taking down in one hit with the gun, it's how many you can take down and keep going. If you miss, you are just plain screwed because the reload time of the 105mm dawns in comparison to the other tank's guns, and in said time; you would be a smoking wreck due to your lack of armor.

Your only other alternative is the 75m- no. You're only other good alternative is the 57mm which is, as you mentioned, good for sniping with. Which, as you would know, is the actual purpose of a TD. If you want to charge in guns blazing with little to no armor, then a better option would have been the Russian TD line since they like sticking over-sized (but somewhat practical) guns onto hulls with little to no armor.

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Prokhorovka with my T18

Also...you may wanna check your link....cause you aren't in a T18 in it...you're in an M-2

[Saphirasia]

Yah, wrong image.

Lemme go relook through my SS collection.

Edit: Here's the right one.

[Morrdh]

Played the American TDs almost exclusively and I've often found the 105mm to be fairly good, one-shotting alot of things in the right sort of game whilst at the same time actually able to hurt Type 59s.

Despite its slow-ish speed the turret on both the Wolverine and Slugger is an absolute godsend, certainly helped and in some cases saved my bacon when otherwise I would've been a smoking wreck in other TDs.

[Sane Outcasts]

I've only played the German TD line up to the Stug and I much prefer the 7.5 cm cannons. The stopping power on the 10.5 cm is nice when the matchmaker decides to throw you at the bottom of a four-tier spread, but the range and reload speed plays to my own preferences of shooting from a distance and going for the treads when arty has a shot.

The extra armor only really kicks in at Tier 4 with the Hetzer, but that thing can get up close and personal with the 10.5 pretty well for its tier. The Stug is a bit more vulnerable, but I much prefer its range.

[Tagmatium]

The extra armor only really kicks in at Tier 4 with the Hetzer, but that thing can get up close and personal with the 10.5 pretty well for its tier. The Stug is a bit more vulnerable, but I much prefer its range.

I swear the StuG's been beefed up a bit in this latest patch. It seems to haved developed the nasty ability to bounce quite a lot from its shitly-angled front plates.

[Sane Outcasts]

The extra armor only really kicks in at Tier 4 with the Hetzer, but that thing can get up close and personal with the 10.5 pretty well for its tier. The Stug is a bit more vulnerable, but I much prefer its range.

I swear the StuG's been beefed up a bit in this latest patch. It seems to haved developed the nasty ability to bounce quite a lot from its shitly-angled front plates.

I've noticed a bit more bouncing from the front as well, but I was really thinking about the sides and back. The Hetzer has that slope all around and a good top plate, but the Stug is much smoother, especially on the back. Light tanks a bit more of a bother in the Stug, but only if I don't see the little devils coming at my back. The 7.5cm can stop them from very far out in only two shots and I love to just wait by the arty for a T-50 to try it's luck.

[Saphirasia]

The extra armor only really kicks in at Tier 4 with the Hetzer, but that thing can get up close and personal with the 10.5 pretty well for its tier. The Stug is a bit more vulnerable, but I much prefer its range.

I swear the StuG's been beefed up a bit in this latest patch. It seems to haved developed the nasty ability to bounce quite a lot from its shitly-angled front plates.

Yeah, they bumped the frontal armor up to 80mm on the superstructure.

[Ruskarkand]

Hey guys. I feel proud.
I waved goodbye to my T25 AT in the name of buying the lumbering beast, the T28.
T25 AT was a headache anyway, not going to miss much from that tank, void the speed that is. I am not really keen on going at an average of 15km/h, but I love how intimidating it is to most tanks. They either hide or shoot wildly into the 250mm armor that lines the front of the damn thing.

Sucks that I do not have the next gun yet, but I will get there.

[Tagmatium]

I hate the IS-4 and all those who use it.

It'd be nice if it had some weak points.

[Drackonisa]

I hate the IS-4 and all those who use it.

It'd be nice if it had some weak points.

it does. Glaring weakspot on the lower glacis, one on the drivers hatch, turret you can shoot the viewports in a facehug. If its angled with the diagonal plate facing you directly, you can pene it with any t9 gun as well. HE to its gun also does wonders if your gun lacks sufficient pene. But i never faced issues with the is4 on my t8 tanks(kt/lowe) and above.

[Tagmatium]

it does. Glaring weakspot on the lower glacis, one on the drivers hatch, turret you can shoot the viewports in a facehug. If its angled with the diagonal plate facing you directly, you can pene it with any t9 gun as well. HE to its gun also does wonders if your gun lacks sufficient pene. But i never faced issues with the is4 on my t8 tanks(kt/lowe) and above.

That's actually pretty useful.

I was able to do significant damage to an IS-4 with my E-50's 10,5cm, thumping HE rounds into the bottom right of its turret.

Seemingly penetrating, too.

That bloody 10,5cm gun will reduce me to penury, however.

It costs 1,200 credits for both the HE and the AP rounds. I've regularly spent over 16,000 credits a game when I've fired a lot of rounds.

[Helghast empire]

If I'm able to register...


Username: Kommandant_bobz
Server (NA, EU, RU): NA
Highest Tier Tank you have unlocked (No premium tanks, please): IS-4
The tank that you really, really want: T-54 ( poo on you type 59 )


for the person that hates IS-4's and it's players, it's a good tank, but if you're a noob that just got it like me, it's pretty rough to use.
right now i got the tracks, turret, and still have the BL-9 from the IS-3. The BL-9 is decent, but when fighting other tier 9 heavies and such, it's mediocre in which only side shots will help you to achieve a kill ( as well as shooting the lower glacis in which it does somewhat okay in ). even with the 130mm, the IS-4's armor can be easily penetrated from the sides ( tier 7 guns and above at least for a good hit ), and if you know right, the big huge front weakness is a burden to us, as well as a somewhat easy to hit lower glacis. in fact, the E-75 has a better rate to survive.

[Meim]

Wah.

I wanna use the Cunningham so badly, but it's hard to avoid slugfests with other tanks, and that's bad considering the T1 has the worst armor in game.

[Drackonisa]

Hell, i have stopped playing my t10 and t9s recently cept for the daily double, and gone straight back to my loltraktor and marder...

[Meim]

Hell, i have stopped playing my t10 and t9s recently cept for the daily double, and gone straight back to my loltraktor and marder...

The Loltraktor is hardly a tier 1 tank in the hands of a good user.

I've seen that thing kick ass. Ridiculously.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Hell, i have stopped playing my t10 and t9s recently cept for the daily double, and gone straight back to my loltraktor and marder...

The Loltraktor is hardly a tier 1 tank in the hands of a good user.

I've seen that thing kick ass. Ridiculously.

so where's the punchline?

[Tagmatium]

The Loltraktor is hardly a tier 1 tank in the hands of a good user.

I've seen that thing kick ass. Ridiculously.

so where's the punchline?

The main issue with the loltraktor is that it has, other than its original gun, just autocannons, which aren't so good. The MS1 seems to be the best level 1, at least in my book.

[Transnapastain]

so where's the punchline?

The main issue with the loltraktor is that it has, other than its original gun, just autocannons, which aren't so good. The MS1 seems to be the best level 1, at least in my book.

I concur, while the Lawltraktor can put up a good fight, the MS-1's 45 can decimate the other tier ones with ease

Also, saying "X tank is good in the hands of a good player" is kinda...I'm not sure what word I'm looking for...obvious? I mean, of course, when matching tanks of equal tier and armaments, the player with the best grasp of how to use his tank is going to win.

Regardless, I don't really care how much the lawltraktor is a superior tank in the hands of a good operator...if you put it in a tier two game, its going to die. Chances are there's only a few other tier ones, and there may well be a Hotchkiss. If it meets the Hotchkiss, its dead. T-26 will kill it without trouble, so will a Pz II. If hes smart, he can pick off wounded tanks and vulture himself some kills. If hes lucky, he can surprise some retard in a T2 Medium or something. Regardless, his chance of survival is low.

This is, of course, by good player, you didn't mean "in the hands of a player who is going to hide like a bitch and not do a damn thing."

Also.

Have seen, with my own eyes, (and the admission of the player using the KT) a Lawltraktor bounce a KT's gun from about 550m (One side of the valley at Karellia to the other) I have screen caps....not of it hitting but of the payer bitching about. it. Way it was set up, wasn't any other tanks for him to hit...so I'm not sure what kind of retardedness went down with the game there, cause we all know that shouldn't have happened.

[Tagmatium]

This is, of course, by good player, you didn't mean "in the hands of a player who is going to hide like a bitch and not do a damn thing."

I badgered a Hetzer who was hiding behind a house on Fjords to go and do something by threatening to turn my DB and go shoot him once I'd dealt with the tanks in front of me (with the help of the two tanks I was with). He move sharpish when I crested the hill in front of him.

Pleasing.

[Meim]

Bah. CAMO, Y U NO FREE?