MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

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Hmm...

That is intriguing. I mean it is possible that Lizard was getting hit by Sandman as he is swinging in Lizards general direction but the timing there is not adding up. Or he could have just been moving to dodge or something but it does look like he got hit. I’m still cautious but the fact that these are explicitly the villains from previous movies does give a little credence to this for me.

[Cannot think of a name]

It looks to me like he’s getting hit in the rear side of his head by a beam from the scaffolding.

I can’t remember who said it, but I’m inclined to agree, if the conflict is that the MCU Spider-man doesn’t want to send these villains back to their universe then it kind of undermines it if the other Spider-mans are there because then it becomes a discussion between the Spider-folk and not a journey of our Spider-man.

Mostly this is a tug of war between Mephisto and Hulk in Wakanda. Mephisto was 100% a product of fans convincing themselves of a thing and the Hulk appearing in Wakanda when he didn’t.

Mostly I’m interested in the tale of the two Venoms. Topher Grace’s Venom is the only franchise villain n-

Wait, I’m wrong. I’ve been discussing this that way for a bit and just as I was typing it occurred to me he’s not. Topher Grace’s Venom hasn’t show up but also missing is Rhino, who granted was barely a villain and the worst final scene ever (exaggerated). If Rhino actually fills in than we have a full half dozen for a Sinister Six.

Anyway, I think they’re going to go with “Topher who?” I doubt that Sandman is going to start asking where the goopy toothy guy is, so who’s gonna miss him? I think Tom Hardy’s Venom is most likely to be a post credits thing if he shows up at all, setting up either Spider-man vs Venom or having Venom fill in the sixth slot. OR, that’s for Morbius, Vulture, Venom, and three others. Venom is the only villain to repeat.

Oh shit, wrong again. Shitty Green Goblin. Forgot about Shitty Green Goblin. They do seem to be repeating the Gwen Stacy moment with MJ. But I don’t think Shitty Green Goblin will appear and no one will notice or care. I have doubts they’ll kill off MJ, though.

My halfassed plot guess is that Peter faces a accusations regarding Mysterio, those legal troubles solve themselves pretty quickly but being Spider-man still effects friends and family, he visits Strange, Strange blames Peter for fucking up his spell because Strange didn’t addiquitely prepare the kid who doesn’t know how magic works on what he needed to do and not do during the spell, spell out what he was going to do exactly and ask if Peter had any questions, so this is clearly Peter’s fault. Peter gets all the baddies in the box, Strange once again saves the consequences for the last second causing Peter to act rashly and steal the box so that he can find a way to save them from their fate, he succeeds kinda but that causes another rift that becomes the one that Venom shows up in and something that sets up Multiverse of Madness. Or shunts Spider-man into the Sony Spiderverse separate of the MCU. Or that last scene was out of place to throw people off and it really just was the moment the funky five showed up. Also very, very likely.

Though I am fairly certain the end credits scenes will set up Venom and MoM.

I am surprised at how much Doctor Strange is in it given that his movie started shooting a week into Spider-man. Though we might have seen most of Strange’s scenes already.

Anyway, pretty hype. Hope my AMC app actually reminds me so I’m not watching the last IMAX showing. I prefer the Dolby theater because the seats recline and it’s fun to ask if the projector is still on.

Rambling speculation I had to get out of my system. Not worth clicking open. Carry on.

Also, someone checked in with Nicholas Hammond and that delights me to no end.

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Hmm...

That is intriguing. I mean it is possible that Lizard was getting hit by Sandman as he is swinging in Lizards general direction but the timing there is not adding up. Or he could have just been moving to dodge or something but it does look like he got hit. I’m still cautious but the fact that these are explicitly the villains from previous movies does give a little credence to this for me.

As I see it (or want to anyway) the Lizard gets a kick in the head from someone just as he wants to make a move with his left arm, that's why Sandman is striking a bit to the left of him.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are they adding Captain America’s shield to the Statue of Liberty?

Also, Electro got his headpiece. Not as a permanent part of the costume, but he got the headpiece at least for a moment.

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That is intriguing. I mean it is possible that Lizard was getting hit by Sandman as he is swinging in Lizards general direction but the timing there is not adding up. Or he could have just been moving to dodge or something but it does look like he got hit. I’m still cautious but the fact that these are explicitly the villains from previous movies does give a little credence to this for me.

As I see it (or want to anyway) the Lizard gets a kick in the head from someone just as he wants to make a move with his left arm, that's why Sandman is striking a bit to the left of him.

From the main trailer I feel like Sandman is striking at Holland. But watching it again Lizards head movement being pretty sudden makes it hard for me to see it as anything other than him getting hit there. I also saw some talk that it looks like Electro is facing someone else but I cannot really tell.

Though another thing from the trailer is that shot of Doc Ock falling with lighting above him. So maybe the villians are fighting amongst themselves or Doc Ock is going to be helping Spider-Man? So it could be him hitting Lizard there and it was edited to cover that? Though that hit does not look like one from one of Docs arms but that could be subjective and this is just speculation

[Cannot think of a name]

As I see it (or want to anyway) the Lizard gets a kick in the head from someone just as he wants to make a move with his left arm, that's why Sandman is striking a bit to the left of him.

From the main trailer I feel like Sandman is striking at Holland. But watching it again Lizards head movement being pretty sudden makes it hard for me to see it as anything other than him getting hit there. I also saw some talk that it looks like Electro is facing someone else but I cannot really tell.

Though another thing from the trailer is that shot of Doc Ock falling with lighting above him. So maybe the villians are fighting amongst themselves or Doc Ock is going to be helping Spider-Man? So it could be him hitting Lizard there and it was edited to cover that? Though that hit does not look like one from one of Docs arms but that could be subjective and this is just speculation

Doc Ock fucking over the Sinister Six would be pretty on brand.

[Tarsonis]

From the main trailer I feel like Sandman is striking at Holland. But watching it again Lizards head movement being pretty sudden makes it hard for me to see it as anything other than him getting hit there. I also saw some talk that it looks like Electro is facing someone else but I cannot really tell.

Though another thing from the trailer is that shot of Doc Ock falling with lighting above him. So maybe the villians are fighting amongst themselves or Doc Ock is going to be helping Spider-Man? So it could be him hitting Lizard there and it was edited to cover that? Though that hit does not look like one from one of Docs arms but that could be subjective and this is just speculation

Doc Ock fucking over the Sinister Six would be pretty on brand.

I never really read the comics, but if I remember the cartoon correctly, Doc Ock had no problem working with Spiderman if it helped his own goals. Very much in it for himself

[Cannot think of a name]

Doc Ock fucking over the Sinister Six would be pretty on brand.

I never really read the comics, but if I remember the cartoon correctly, Doc Ock had no problem working with Spiderman if it helped his own goals. Very much in it for himself

He also dated Aunt May, which led to him helping Spider-man. He was also one of those who thought he could Spider-man better than Spider-man at one point (like Kraven in Kravin’s Last Hunt). He’s had a weird and complicated relationship with Spider-man, but really…what Spider-man villain doesn’t have a weird and complicated relationship with Spider-man.

Green Goblin is his friend’s dad.

Hobgoblin has been two of his friends.

Black Cat has a whole Catwoman/Batman vibe.

Dr. Connors was a mentor for Peter before he became The Lizard.

Mr. Negative runs the charity that Aunt May volunteers for.

Venom of course was his suit, then merged with a guy who blamed Peter for ruining his career.

When they did bring out ones that were just kind of flamboyant crooks they added that Spider-man touch, they made the Vulture the dad of the girl Peter was trying to date, Sandman as the real killer of his uncle.

There are a bunch of others but I get the names jumbled so I don’t remember if it’s Tombstone that was like a classmate or something or if that was someone else. Jackal blames Peter for Gwen Stacy’s death and has done a bunch of weird shit because of it.

I mean, it’s not unheard of for a villain to have a personal connection to the hero’s hidden identity but Spider-man really takes the ball and runs with that.

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Hmm...

I cannot ssee that happening in the actual trailer :/

After thinking about it, maybe the Scooby Gang needs help defeating the Sinister Five so they get other Spider-men or they tell Tom/Spider-man that they didn't kill their villians but it was their own fault.

And what are they planning anyway? They don't really have anyone they'd want to bring into the MCU as they work alone and it's not the Spider-man they should be taking revenge on. I guess it's a kill all Spider-men kind of thing.

Ah so we’re clutching at straws because the trailer didn’t explicitly confirm team up I see.

Hi, you'll be back 17-12 I guess?

I think it's more Peter's trying to stop Doctor Strange from forcing them to leave, i.e. go back to their deaths. They're fighting to stay alive.

I never really read the comics, but if I remember the cartoon correctly, Doc Ock had no problem working with Spiderman if it helped his own goals. Very much in it for himself

He also dated Aunt May, which led to him helping Spider-man. He was also one of those who thought he could Spider-man better than Spider-man at one point (like Kraven in Kravin’s Last Hunt). He’s had a weird and complicated relationship with Spider-man, but really…what Spider-man villain doesn’t have a weird and complicated relationship with Spider-man.

Green Goblin is his friend’s dad.

Hobgoblin has been two of his friends.

Black Cat has a whole Catwoman/Batman vibe.

Dr. Connors was a mentor for Peter before he became The Lizard.

Mr. Negative runs the charity that Aunt May volunteers for.

Venom of course was his suit, then merged with a guy who blamed Peter for ruining his career.

When they did bring out ones that were just kind of flamboyant crooks they added that Spider-man touch, they made the Vulture the dad of the girl Peter was trying to date, Sandman as the real killer of his uncle.

There are a bunch of others but I get the names jumbled so I don’t remember if it’s Tombstone that was like a classmate or something or if that was someone else. Jackal blames Peter for Gwen Stacy’s death and has done a bunch of weird shit because of it.

I mean, it’s not unheard of for a villain to have a personal connection to the hero’s hidden identity but Spider-man really takes the ball and runs with that.

His friend's dad. His friends. His sometime love interest (great panel, btw). His mentor. His aunt's boss. His suit.

One of these things is not like the others.

[Christian Confederation]

Superhero Thread died so I'm back.
Are we not going to adress the fact that no way home is both

Spiderverse and Sinister Six movie in one

with the possibility of Dethroning Spiderman 2 as the GOAT Superhero movies.

[Cannot think of a name]

Superhero Thread died so I'm back.
Are we not going to adress the fact that no way home is both

Spiderverse and Sinister Six movie in one

with the possibility of Dethroning Spiderman 2 as the GOAT Superhero movies.

Well, it could also end up being like the last Spider-man 3 and be the one that tried to do too much.

But I’m hoping for the best.

[Xmara]

Why can't it be December 17 already?!

Also I'm finally gonna get to see The Eternals next week. I've been really busy and this is the first chance I'll have.

[Forsher]

Superhero Thread died so I'm back.
Are we not going to adress the fact that no way home is both

Spiderverse and Sinister Six movie in one

with the possibility of Dethroning Spiderman 2 as the GOAT Superhero movies.

The Superhero Thread isn't dead so much as there's actual MCU stuff and we've decided to go with a two thread system.

Maybe crazy, maybe sensible.

Why can't it be December 17 already?!

Also I'm finally gonna get to see The Eternals next week. I've been really busy and this is the first chance I'll have.

psst they changed the name to Eternals. It's like how The Eagles are actually the Eagles.

Also, if MCU Wolverine doesn't sing along to Life's Been Good the MCU is dead to me. Yes, I know, that's a Joe Walsh solo song. And also that Logan's life kinda sucks, but he did it in the comics so therefore he must do it in the movies.

[Christian Confederation]

Superhero Thread died so I'm back.
Are we not going to adress the fact that no way home is both

Spiderverse and Sinister Six movie in one

with the possibility of Dethroning Spiderman 2 as the GOAT Superhero movies.

Well, it could also end up being like the last Spider-man 3 and be the one that tried to do too much.

But I’m hoping for the best.

Venom was the main problem with it. Rami knew nothing about the Caracter and the Studio forced him to include Venom.

[Xmara]

Why can't it be December 17 already?!

Also I'm finally gonna get to see The Eternals next week. I've been really busy and this is the first chance I'll have.

psst they changed the name to Eternals. It's like how The Eagles are actually the Eagles.

Also, if MCU Wolverine doesn't sing along to Life's Been Good the MCU is dead to me. Yes, I know, that's a Joe Walsh solo song. And also that Logan's life kinda sucks, but he did it in the comics so therefore he must do it in the movies.

I mean

if we got to see Wong sing along to "Hotel California" with Shang-Chi and Katy, then yeah, we deserve it.

Also I can no longer hear "Hotel California" without thinking of that movie. Similarly to how I can't hear "Single Ladies" without picturing that one scene from Doctor Strange. "Try me, Beyonce."

[Cannot think of a name]

psst they changed the name to Eternals. It's like how The Eagles are actually the Eagles.

Also, if MCU Wolverine doesn't sing along to Life's Been Good the MCU is dead to me. Yes, I know, that's a Joe Walsh solo song. And also that Logan's life kinda sucks, but he did it in the comics so therefore he must do it in the movies.

I mean

if we got to see Wong sing along to "Hotel California" with Shang-Chi and Katy, then yeah, we deserve it.

Also I can no longer hear "Hotel California" without thinking of that movie. Similarly to how I can't hear "Single Ladies" without picturing that one scene from Doctor Strange. "Try me, Beyonce."

My Maserati does 1-85...

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, it could also end up being like the last Spider-man 3 and be the one that tried to do too much.

But I’m hoping for the best.

Venom was the main problem with it. Rami knew nothing about the Caracter and the Studio forced him to include Venom.

I'm gonna lose all my geek cred (which, to be honest if I still have any what the fuck, man...) and say this:
Venom is dumb. He's everything I hated about comics in the 90s.

[Forsher]

Venom was the main problem with it. Rami knew nothing about the Caracter and the Studio forced him to include Venom.

I'm gonna lose all my geek cred (which, to be honest if I still have any what the fuck, man...) and say this:
Venom is dumb. He's everything I hated about comics in the 90s.

Venom's whole vibe in Dark Avengers was "dude, if you're going to eat people, do it off camera".

I couldn't find a good panel of that so this will have to do.

This was the guy Osborn was telling Marvel citizens was Spider-Man. Though, I guess, they do confuse Deadpool and Spider-Man all the time so the idiots probably would buy that Spider-Man might randomly eat some people.

[Eahland]

I mean

if we got to see Wong sing along to "Hotel California" with Shang-Chi and Katy, then yeah, we deserve it.

Also I can no longer hear "Hotel California" without thinking of that movie. Similarly to how I can't hear "Single Ladies" without picturing that one scene from Doctor Strange. "Try me, Beyonce."

My Maserati does 1-85...

My Lamborghini does two-hundred-three
Broke my hands, now I can't do surgery
Got a sling ring, step through the gate
Time Stone in case I get there too late

[Christian Confederation]

I'm gonna lose all my geek cred (which, to be honest if I still have any what the fuck, man...) and say this:
Venom is dumb. He's everything I hated about comics in the 90s.

Venom's whole vibe in Dark Avengers was "dude, if you're going to eat people, do it off camera".

I couldn't find a good panel of that so this will have to do.

This was the guy Osborn was telling Marvel citizens was Spider-Man. Though, I guess, they do confuse Deadpool and Spider-Man all the time so the idiots probably would buy that Spider-Man might randomly eat some people.

Spidermenace eats defenseless Street Hoodlums

[Cannot think of a name]

My Maserati does 1-85...

My Lamborghini does two-hundred-three
Broke my hands, now I can't do surgery
Got a sling ring, step through the gate
Time Stone in case I get there too late

Not sure if this is something you care about or would already know, but I put that shit in the Awesome Quotes thread because it was gold.

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As I see it (or want to anyway) the Lizard gets a kick in the head from someone just as he wants to make a move with his left arm, that's why Sandman is striking a bit to the left of him.

From the main trailer I feel like Sandman is striking at Holland. But watching it again Lizards head movement being pretty sudden makes it hard for me to see it as anything other than him getting hit there. I also saw some talk that it looks like Electro is facing someone else but I cannot really tell.

Though another thing from the trailer is that shot of Doc Ock falling with lighting above him. So maybe the villians are fighting amongst themselves or Doc Ock is going to be helping Spider-Man? So it could be him hitting Lizard there and it was edited to cover that? Though that hit does not look like one from one of Docs arms but that could be subjective and this is just speculation

Yeah, it looks like Sandman is striking at Holland but he is nowhere near the Lizards head. A 3 vs 3 final fought seems likely to me.

Ock seems to be helping the Scooby gang, he is at least not fighting them when they talk about his name (I feel sad for him when they ask for his real name btw).

It looks to me like he’s getting hit in the rear side of his head by a beam from the scaffolding.

Doesn't look like that to me but I'm also wondering if that didn't break his neck anyway. And getting hit by a piece of scaffolding at the start of the big fight would be the lamest thing ever in a superhero movie, imagine Thanos tripping over a rock when using the Gauntlet.

Mostly I’m interested in the tale of the two Venoms. Topher Grace’s Venom is the only franchise villain n-

Wait, I’m wrong. I’ve been discussing this that way for a bit and just as I was typing it occurred to me he’s not. Topher Grace’s Venom hasn’t show up but also missing is Rhino, who granted was barely a villain and the worst final scene ever (exaggerated). If Rhino actually fills in than we have a full half dozen for a Sinister Six.

Anyway, I think they’re going to go with “Topher who?” I doubt that Sandman is going to start asking where the goopy toothy guy is, so who’s gonna miss him? I think Tom Hardy’s Venom is most likely to be a post credits thing if he shows up at all, setting up either Spider-man vs Venom or having Venom fill in the sixth slot. OR, that’s for Morbius, Vulture, Venom, and three others. Venom is the only villain to repeat.

Oh shit, wrong again. Shitty Green Goblin. Forgot about Shitty Green Goblin. They do seem to be repeating the Gwen Stacy moment with MJ. But I don’t think Shitty Green Goblin will appear and no one will notice or care. I have doubts they’ll kill off MJ, though.

My halfassed plot guess is that Peter faces a accusations regarding Mysterio, those legal troubles solve themselves pretty quickly but being Spider-man still effects friends and family, he visits Strange, Strange blames Peter for fucking up his spell because Strange didn’t addiquitely prepare the kid who doesn’t know how magic works on what he needed to do and not do during the spell, spell out what he was going to do exactly and ask if Peter had any questions, so this is clearly Peter’s fault. Peter gets all the baddies in the box, Strange once again saves the consequences for the last second causing Peter to act rashly and steal the box so that he can find a way to save them from their fate, he succeeds kinda but that causes another rift that becomes the one that Venom shows up in and something that sets up Multiverse of Madness. Or shunts Spider-man into the Sony Spiderverse separate of the MCU. Or that last scene was out of place to throw people off and it really just was the moment the funky five showed up. Also very, very likely.

The legal stuff would be sorted pretty quick when Mysterio turns up alive and is the sixth member. I think you roughly have the plot correct, maybe that Strange not being able to hold them back is the first fix for the failed spell and then they use to box to capture them all. Spider-men then refuses to let them go back because he learns they'll die and we end up at the final fight on the statue of Liberty.

Rambling speculation I had to get out of my system. Not worth clicking open. Carry on.

Too late.

I think it's more Peter's trying to stop Doctor Strange from forcing them to leave, i.e. go back to their deaths. They're fighting to stay alive.

That's true for the Goblin and Lizard, Ock only dies when he saves the city from his experiment, knowing that he could maybe fix it. Electro is in jail, that's a reason refusing to go back but Sandman was only taking care of his daughter, I imagine he'd actually want to go back for her.

[Cannot think of a name]

So, they're adding Captain America's shield to the Statue of Liberty? Totally looks like that's what they're doing.

Wait, how fucking fast did they put together Rogers the Musical? Like, it's Christmas time in Hawkeye, supposing it's not the second Christmas after Endgame making it the project furthest along time-wise that means people came back and they wrote and produced a major Broadway show in a few months.

Maybe they already had a Rogers musical during the blip and they just added an addendum ending that includes the final showdown with Thanos. Or just doesn't include the showdown with Thanos anyway since everyone thinks he fucked off to the moon and don't know that he went to the past-y to do the nasty...to paraphrase Phillip J Fry. Probably ends with the Battle of New York now that I think about it.

Talked myself out of it being a problem. Could have been a thing that was already in the works. Never mind me. We'll find out...next week? Oh shit, next week.

[Cannot think of a name]

The legal stuff would be sorted pretty quick when Mysterio turns up alive and is the sixth member. I think you roughly have the plot correct, maybe that Strange not being able to hold them back is the first fix for the failed spell and then they use to box to capture them all. Spider-men then refuses to let them go back because he learns they'll die and we end up at the final fight on the statue of Liberty.

I sort of missed the obvious

that the finale takes place on the scaffolding around the Statue of Liberty and since MJ is there it's not when he casts the first spell. But he fucks off with the box during daylight, right?

What am I doing to myself, this movie comes out in a month. I don't get a Quippy Doll if I guess right. Like a kid shaking Christmas presents. It'll be the same present on Christmas...

[Christian Confederation]

So, they're adding Captain America's shield to the Statue of Liberty? Totally looks like that's what they're doing.

Wait, how fucking fast did they put together Rogers the Musical? Like, it's Christmas time in Hawkeye, supposing it's not the second Christmas after Endgame making it the project furthest along time-wise that means people came back and they wrote and produced a major Broadway show in a few months.

Maybe they already had a Rogers musical during the blip and they just added an addendum ending that includes the final showdown with Thanos. Or just doesn't include the showdown with Thanos anyway since everyone thinks he fucked off to the moon and don't know that he went to the past-y to do the nasty...to paraphrase Phillip J Fry. Probably ends with the Battle of New York now that I think about it.

Talked myself out of it being a problem. Could have been a thing that was already in the works. Never mind me. We'll find out...next week? Oh shit, next week.

I mean they probably had a Cap musical that ended when he went in the ice. He came back and they had to make rewrites, then he kept saving the world until they said screw it, we write it when he dies.