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Postby Fedel » Wed May 05, 2021 12:07 pm

Just-An-Illusion wrote:Wait Poe was a EU character?


They're likely referring to the novels and comics published under Disney Canon as "EU" which I thought was kind of unnecessarily confusing the conversation myself but didn't see it as a big enough deal to comment on. It's understandable why they did it since Disney itself refers to its novels and comics as "EU" both stealing the term to make the previous continuity less relevant by calling it "Legends" and making their own non movie/show content less relevant and easier to write over and retcon without major backlash.
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Postby Fedel » Wed May 05, 2021 12:08 pm

Wow. Literally a day after I talked about how I believe the ST is and will be viewed this article comes out... https://gamerant.com/star-wars-sequel-t ... on-future/

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Postby Earthbound Immortal Squad » Wed May 05, 2021 1:27 pm

The way I see the whole EU vs Disney cannon argument is that the toxicity has been brewing too long now for any simple solution. If I were Disney I'd see the best solution as allowing Authors to produce content again under the "legends" banner and then have along side the new cannon. But they are too stubborn to do that probably for some reason I can only speculate. But what I don't see many people pointing out is that the toxicity is on all sides of the argument. As for me personally I've just got to a point of not caring anymore I prefer the pre-Disney universe and I'll read that in peace.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 05, 2021 7:09 pm

Fedel wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Reminder that TCW S7 retconned the Ahsoka book, and TROS retconned Poe's entire backstory from the EU.


Ah, good finds. I'd forgotten about Poe and yeah, that Ahsoka thing really was egregious. Shows a complete lack of respect for the author on Filoni's part.


Ahsoka is Filoni's creation. The author can piss off to the aether.
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Postby Idzequitch » Wed May 05, 2021 7:33 pm

The first episode of the Bad Batch far exceeded my expectations. I wasn't really excited for this series (I thought the Bad Batch arc in TCW was pretty meh), but having seen the first episode, I'm eagerly awaiting the second. They have my attention.
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Postby Imperial Rifta » Wed May 05, 2021 7:59 pm

Idzequitch wrote:The first episode of the Bad Batch far exceeded my expectations. I wasn't really excited for this series (I thought the Bad Batch arc in TCW was pretty meh), but having seen the first episode, I'm eagerly awaiting the second. They have my attention.

Does anyone know how often they are coming out now? Is it going to be every Tuesday I guess. Everything else came out on Fridays.
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Postby Imperial Rifta » Wed May 05, 2021 8:01 pm

Fedel wrote:Wow. Literally a day after I talked about how I believe the ST is and will be viewed this article comes out... https://gamerant.com/star-wars-sequel-t ... on-future/

Well as long as the “story form a citizen’s perspective” doesn’t end up like the Martel sisters arc, I’m okay.
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Postby Idzequitch » Wed May 05, 2021 8:19 pm

Imperial Rifta wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:The first episode of the Bad Batch far exceeded my expectations. I wasn't really excited for this series (I thought the Bad Batch arc in TCW was pretty meh), but having seen the first episode, I'm eagerly awaiting the second. They have my attention.

Does anyone know how often they are coming out now? Is it going to be every Tuesday I guess. Everything else came out on Fridays.

My understanding is that the first episode came out on a Tuesday because May 4th. But subsequent episodes are being released on Fridays.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 05, 2021 8:23 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Imperial Rifta wrote:Does anyone know how often they are coming out now? Is it going to be every Tuesday I guess. Everything else came out on Fridays.

My understanding is that the first episode came out on a Tuesday because May 4th. But subsequent episodes are being released on Fridays.


I'm okay with this if, and only if, episode 2 comes out this Friday



Edit: I just checked and episode 2 is indeed dropping in May 7th. Very well Disney. You win......this time.
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Postby Fedel » Thu May 06, 2021 7:50 am

Not a bad article outside of its conclusion: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-disney ... e-how-why/

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Postby Idzequitch » Thu May 06, 2021 2:47 pm

Fedel wrote:Not a bad article outside of its conclusion: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-disney ... e-how-why/

Do I even dare ask what you think is wrong with the conclusion of the article?
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Grow up, they are fucking movies.

Jesus Christ like seriously, the condescension off of some star wars fans is unbelievable. This attitude here which reeks of self appointed notions of superiority and disdain is why i stopped interacting with the star wars fandom regularly outside of NS. It is just not worth it and ive contemplated doing it with this thread as well and just calling it quits.

After 20 years people need to wind their fucking necks in over how they treat people over a bunch of movies.


First of all: we’re not talking about movies here, we’re talking about US corporate culture in general and Disney in precision. I basically don’t even care about modern SW- a cash cow is a cash cow, I care about the way sequel fans just take it when they’re being treated like idiots.
Also EU includes almost no movies- mainly books, some comics and games.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 2:16 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Grow up, they are fucking movies.

Jesus Christ like seriously, the condescension off of some star wars fans is unbelievable. This attitude here which reeks of self appointed notions of superiority and disdain is why i stopped interacting with the star wars fandom regularly outside of NS. It is just not worth it and ive contemplated doing it with this thread as well and just calling it quits.

After 20 years people need to wind their fucking necks in over how they treat people over a bunch of movies.


First of all: we’re not talking about movies here, we’re talking about US corporate culture in general and Disney in precision. I basically don’t even care about modern SW- a cash cow is a cash cow, I care about the way sequel fans just take it when they’re being treated like idiots.
Also EU includes almost no movies- mainly books, some comics and games.
Yeah you dont care about modern star wars except when you were gagging yourself about saying what you really want to about fans of modern star wars content, which by your own admission would be against the rules of this forum and inviting people to dm you so they can find out your "real thoughts" on them.

Dress it up however you want mate you are clearly insulting people for liking things you dont. As you demonstrated here by referring to Sequel fans being treated like idiots because like they like stuff and treating them as if they cant think for themselves and you know better because you "care" about them. Which is furthered by your comment about how they should "rethink their choices" in your last comment.

So i reiterate my point.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 2:39 am

Decent enough episode though it sucks with how much shorter it was compared to the first one0 though i get it, its the opening episode so would be longer i guess.

Was nice to see Cut again with his family.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 3:10 am

Saw some photos there on reddit of Shoretroopers at the set for the Andor Series.

Nice to see my favourite stormtroopers making a return.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri May 07, 2021 3:12 am

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Saw some photos there on reddit of Shoretroopers at the set for the Andor Series.

Nice to see my favourite stormtroopers making a return.


...Yeah that would have to happen after I pivoted away from that project.

Looks like they've got some new blasters too.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 3:40 am

I know the Andor series is not on many peoples radar's but im looking forward to it. I think it could be a decent spy-esque series, especially if it does lean heavily into the darker side of the rebellion that Rogue One explored
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Postby Alvecia » Fri May 07, 2021 9:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I know the Andor series is not on many peoples radar's but im looking forward to it. I think it could be a decent spy-esque series, especially if it does lean heavily into the darker side of the rebellion that Rogue One explored

I'm personally more into the mystical side of Star Wars, but I know several people who are really into that gritty war side of things who are very excited for it, so I hope it's good.

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Postby Alvecia » Fri May 07, 2021 9:52 am

Fedel wrote:Not a bad article outside of its conclusion: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-disney ... e-how-why/

I've never been that interested in strict canon tbh, so that Star Wars has inconsistent canon, and often "overwrites" canon has never bothered me.
While having no consistency would obviously be very bad, I'd much prefer that artists can play around in the Star Wars sandbox without having to worry about the nitty gritty details.

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Postby Fedel » Fri May 07, 2021 10:14 am

Idzequitch wrote:
Fedel wrote:Not a bad article outside of its conclusion: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-disney ... e-how-why/

Do I even dare ask what you think is wrong with the conclusion of the article?


They think it should continue to break its own canon and focus on quick flash in the pan sensationalism.

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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Fri May 07, 2021 11:18 am

That was a pretty good episode of the Bad Batch!

The animation is really great in this one too! Cut's kids looked pretty good compared to the early seasons of Clone Wars
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Postby Idzequitch » Fri May 07, 2021 5:27 pm

This episode was pretty ho hum for me. They go to Saleucami to get advice on staying off the grid. Cut tells Hunter to leave behind soldiering and start a new life. Not the most practical advice, and despite the fact that Cut is still there, it clearly hasn't entirely worked for him since Rex, Hunter, and who knows who else have discovered his location. Omega doesn't leave with the family even though that's the only thing that makes sense outside of driving the plot forward. Hunter is the new Mando, and Omega is the new Grogu. Except the circumstances of their Father/Child relationship make even less sense. Did anything change due to their trip to Saleucami? they gained knowledge of the chain codes, which they inevitably would have to find out anyway. Cut and Suu contributed nothing of value beyond some vague nostalgia for a very minor character from TCW. I didn't hate this episode, but it just feels like it went nowhere. Their circumstances literally didn't change. And that's frustrating because I really enjoyed the first episode.
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Postby Idzequitch » Fri May 07, 2021 5:49 pm

Fedel wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Do I even dare ask what you think is wrong with the conclusion of the article?


They think it should continue to break its own canon and focus on quick flash in the pan sensationalism.

The whole point of the article is that, while it's a nice sentiment to want everything to count equally toward the canon, it's unnecessarily restrictive, and in the end, going that route will make creating new content nigh impossible. Clearly they shouldn't just go breaking their own canon willy-nilly. But at times it's going to happen. And while that is a bit frustrating, especially for the highly invested fan, it typically solves more problems than it creates, especially for the average fans who just want to enjoy a movie or TV show.
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Postby Fedel » Sat May 08, 2021 8:06 am

Idzequitch wrote:
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They think it should continue to break its own canon and focus on quick flash in the pan sensationalism.

The whole point of the article is that, while it's a nice sentiment to want everything to count equally toward the canon, it's unnecessarily restrictive, and in the end, going that route will make creating new content nigh impossible. Clearly they shouldn't just go breaking their own canon willy-nilly. But at times it's going to happen. And while that is a bit frustrating, especially for the highly invested fan, it typically solves more problems than it creates, especially for the average fans who just want to enjoy a movie or TV show.


There would be no problems at all if new works actually had to be submitted to the storygroup to ensure consistency before actually being published...

But this is fine honestly. It allows me to fully free myself from this franchise. There's no reason to invest myself in a universe that isn't internally consistent.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Sat May 08, 2021 8:14 am

Fedel wrote:
There would be no problems at all if new works actually had to be submitted to the storygroup to ensure consistency before actually publishing their works...

But this is fine honestly. It allows me to fully free myself from this franchise. There's no reason to invest myself in a universe that isn't internally consistent.

And yet you'll still be here, acting like everything Disney does with Star Wars is some personal slight against you...
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