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If you could have a legacy upon the Star Wars galaxy, how would you want to be remembered?

As the fearless Jedi Knight, first into the fight against evil
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4%
As the peacemaking Jedi Master
11
13%
As the shadow that lurks in the dark, influencing the galaxy with subtlety
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11%
As the Sith Master that reveals themselves and dominates all opposition
18
21%
As the rogue who finds their fortune
2
2%
As the crime boss who lavishes in luxury
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1%
As the bounty hunter that lives long enough to retire
7
8%
As the veteran soldier who fights for their cause for a lifetime
10
12%
As the daredevil explorer, placing their lives on the line to map the galaxy and reshape its very structure
10
12%
Dude, this galaxy's frickin' crazy, just let me be a normal civilian
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15%
 
Total votes : 84

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:55 am

Just watched the trailer for Squadrons. It looks great, and I'm getting serious Wing Commander and X-Wing vibes. I really hope EA doesn't screw this up.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:55 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Just watched the trailer for Squadrons. It looks great, and I'm getting serious Wing Commander and X-Wing vibes. I really hope EA doesn't screw this up.

EA is involved so,
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Postby Andsed » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:00 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Just watched the trailer for Squadrons. It looks great, and I'm getting serious Wing Commander and X-Wing vibes. I really hope EA doesn't screw this up.

According to this:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-06-20-star-wars-squadrons-doesnt-have-microtransactions-isnt-a-live-service-game#:~:text=Star%20Wars%3A%20Squadrons%20does%20not,service%20game%2C%20EA%20has%20said.&text=Speaking%20to%20Game%20Informer%2C%20Motive,great%20in%20its%20own%20right%22. there will be no microtransaction fuckery and the game will be a complete game upon launch. So it does seem like EA has not fucked this over, though it will probably not hurt to be a bit skeptical as it is EA.
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Postby Pythaga » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:39 pm

I really really hope that all the initial reports will turn out to be true, but I don’t put it past EA to muck around and screw everything up at the last minute. The success of Fallen Order does give me more hope though.

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Postby Storica » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:45 pm

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:52 am

I hope these intial reports are true, but I'm gonna take 'em with a grain of salt, because EA.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:40 am

I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am

Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:58 am

Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

I looked it up. From what I gather, he didn't leave it for people to follow so much as scattered it so they couldn't.
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Postby Fedel » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:06 am

Alvecia wrote:
Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

I looked it up. From what I gather, he didn't leave it for people to follow so much as scattered it so they couldn't.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:07 am

Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

He didnt leave a map it was a map to the first jedi temple which he followed, others could follow it as well. The FO found most of the map in imperial archives somewhere but Lor San Tekka had the last piece in TFA and R2 also had a piece which is why he was in low power mode.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

He didnt leave a map it was a map to the first jedi temple which he followed, others could follow it as well. The FO found most of the map in imperial archives somewhere but Lor San Tekka had the last piece in TFA and RD also had a piece which is why he was in low power mode.

Oh. Alright. Yeah that makes a bit more sense.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:14 am

Andsed wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:He didnt leave a map it was a map to the first jedi temple which he followed, others could follow it as well. The FO found most of the map in imperial archives somewhere but Lor San Tekka had the last piece in TFA and RD also had a piece which is why he was in low power mode.

Oh. Alright. Yeah that makes a bit more sense.

Kylo ren mentions it in TFA some point i believe that they found most of the map themselves, i think its when he is interrogating Rey.

I think in some of the original drafts it was Luke who left it himself but then in later drafts they changed it to one he found iirc
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:25 am

Andsed wrote:I just realized something. Luke in TLJ claimed he traveled to Achto to get away from the galaxy and die there. Yet in TFA he seemingly left a map to his location. Does anyone have an answer on why someone who was trying to get away from the galaxy forever would leave a map to his location so people could find him?

Does the movie outright say Luke made the map?

If he did, it’s probable he made it when he still believed in his Jedi Order since Ahch-To was an important Jedi world in the past. He probably wanted to study it or set up a temple there.

So the map to Ahch-To would already be around when he gave up on everything. Maybe he’s the reason it was fragmented.
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Postby Ovesa » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:32 pm

I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I figured this was the best forum to share it in.

Why are so many people (IRL) convinced that Dooku is a violent humanocentrist? It quite literally goes against everything his character is. He's diplomatic, a man of honor and reason, a former Jedi, and he's effectively the leader of the Separatists, a group whose leaders are almost entirely made up of sentient non-humans. Obviously, Dooku was far from perfect, but he genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing by leaving the Jedi Order, and leading a movement to help countless systems escape Republic control. So why are so many writers and fans convinced that he's a violent humanocentrist who wanted to create what was essentially the Imperium of Man?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:44 pm

Ovesa wrote:I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I figured this was the best forum to share it in.

Why are so many people (IRL) convinced that Dooku is a violent humanocentrist? It quite literally goes against everything his character is. He's diplomatic, a man of honor and reason, a former Jedi, and he's effectively the leader of the Separatists, a group whose leaders are almost entirely made up of sentient non-humans. Obviously, Dooku was far from perfect, but he genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing by leaving the Jedi Order, and leading a movement to help countless systems escape Republic control. So why are so many writers and fans convinced that he's a violent humanocentrist who wanted to create what was essentially the Imperium of Man?

Dooku's portrayal in the Revenge of the Sith novelization makes him seem to be anthropocentric, with the end goal of restoring the old Sith Empire (which was very racist).
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Postby Ovesa » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:54 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:

Dooku's portrayal in the Revenge of the Sith novelization makes him seem to be anthropocentric, with the end goal of restoring the old Sith Empire (which was very racist).[/quote]
That's a fair point. I haven't gotten to reading that novelization yet, but I heard that it's really well written.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:03 pm

Ovesa wrote:That's a fair point. I haven't gotten to reading that novelization yet, but I heard that it's really well written.

It is, but Dooku is not done justice by the book. The rest is fantastic.
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Postby Ovesa » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:It is, but Dooku is not done justice by the book. The rest is fantastic.

To be fair, when is Dooku ever done justice by the writers? Man, I can't wait for the libraries in my area to open up again. Can't wait to check it out :)

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:24 pm

Ovesa wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It is, but Dooku is not done justice by the book. The rest is fantastic.

To be fair, when is Dooku ever done justice by the writers? Man, I can't wait for the libraries in my area to open up again. Can't wait to check it out :)

I heard the latest book to star him is good, although I cannot confirm it myself.
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Postby Fedel » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:53 pm

Ovesa wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It is, but Dooku is not done justice by the book. The rest is fantastic.

To be fair, when is Dooku ever done justice by the writers? Man, I can't wait for the libraries in my area to open up again. Can't wait to check it out :)


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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:57 pm

Ovesa wrote:I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I figured this was the best forum to share it in.

Why are so many people (IRL) convinced that Dooku is a violent humanocentrist? It quite literally goes against everything his character is. He's diplomatic, a man of honor and reason, a former Jedi, and he's effectively the leader of the Separatists, a group whose leaders are almost entirely made up of sentient non-humans. Obviously, Dooku was far from perfect, but he genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing by leaving the Jedi Order, and leading a movement to help countless systems escape Republic control. So why are so many writers and fans convinced that he's a violent humanocentrist who wanted to create what was essentially the Imperium of Man?

It's an established belief here (for the most part) that if the Separatists hadn't been made so cartoonishly evil for the purposes of the movies, there would actually be a pretty solid case to be made that they were justified in their goals, and maybe even the outright good guys.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:03 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Ovesa wrote:I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I figured this was the best forum to share it in.

Why are so many people (IRL) convinced that Dooku is a violent humanocentrist? It quite literally goes against everything his character is. He's diplomatic, a man of honor and reason, a former Jedi, and he's effectively the leader of the Separatists, a group whose leaders are almost entirely made up of sentient non-humans. Obviously, Dooku was far from perfect, but he genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing by leaving the Jedi Order, and leading a movement to help countless systems escape Republic control. So why are so many writers and fans convinced that he's a violent humanocentrist who wanted to create what was essentially the Imperium of Man?

It's an established belief here (for the most part) that if the Separatists hadn't been made so cartoonishly evil for the purposes of the movies, there would actually be a pretty solid case to be made that they were justified in their goals, and maybe even the outright good guys.

The Separatists definitely had good reason to want to leave the Republic. If it were not for the brilliant evil cunt known as Palpatine manipulating and using them their cause would be a pretty good one. Palpatine just ruins everything doesn't he?
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Postby Idzequitch » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:04 pm

Andsed wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:It's an established belief here (for the most part) that if the Separatists hadn't been made so cartoonishly evil for the purposes of the movies, there would actually be a pretty solid case to be made that they were justified in their goals, and maybe even the outright good guys.

The Separatists definitely had good reason to want to leave the Republic. If it were not for the brilliant evil cunt known as Palpatine manipulating and using them their cause would be a pretty good one. Palpatine just ruins everything doesn't he?

Especially RoS. (Sorry. Couldn't resist the cheap shot :P )
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:06 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Andsed wrote:The Separatists definitely had good reason to want to leave the Republic. If it were not for the brilliant evil cunt known as Palpatine manipulating and using them their cause would be a pretty good one. Palpatine just ruins everything doesn't he?

Especially RoS. (Sorry. Couldn't resist the cheap shot :P )

I mean, your not wrong.
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