The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[The Biggles Syndicate]

What part of

did you not get?
Have you heard their theme song as commissioned by Games Workshop themselves??? How many Legions have had a legendary Death Metal band write their theme song WITH GW's approval. Debauchery is cool af though.

In all seriousness despite the World Eaters being my favorite legion they are without a doubt the worst both in design and writing. Let's not even talk about the abomination that is how Angron was written.

Angron is the Angry German Kid meme.

Amplified by hundred of thousands of times and given demonic powers of course.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Angron is the Angry German Kid meme.

Amplified by hundred of thousands of times and given demonic powers of course.

Add to that being Daddy's 3rd least favorite child and forcibly exiled to a room of people would never like.

Seriously they dropped any potential the World Eaters could have had by making them form ramps from the corpses of their own legionaries. Anything the World Eaters could have been was done better by the other legions. Could have been the first on the ground shock troops that bore the brunt of the initial attack, nope done better by someone else. Lightning fast assault troops that shatter the enemy leaving the rest to be mopped up, nope done better by someone else. Surrender or die to a man, sorry property of the White Scars.

The only use the World Eaters had was Manual Exterminatus. Most every other legion did everything they could do but better. The exception being dying. Nobody dies like World Eaters. Might as well have just put Orks in power armour.

[The Imperial Reach]

Amplified by hundred of thousands of times and given demonic powers of course.

Add to that being Daddy's 3rd least favorite child and forcibly exiled to a room of people would never like.

Seriously they dropped any potential the World Eaters could have had by making them form ramps from the corpses of their own legionaries. Anything the World Eaters could have been was done better by the other legions. Could have been the first on the ground shock troops that bore the brunt of the initial attack, nope done better by someone else. Lightning fast assault troops that shatter the enemy leaving the rest to be mopped up, nope done better by someone else. Surrender or die to a man, sorry property of the White Scars.

The only use the World Eaters had was Manual Exterminatus. Most every other legion did everything they could do but better. The exception being dying. Nobody dies like World Eaters. Might as well have just put Orks in power armour.

They aren't even the best at being edgy, which is pretty sad considering.

The truth is the World Eaters suck almost as much as the Word Bearers. Almost.

[Ameriganastan]

The truth is the World Eaters suck almost as much as the Word Bearers. Almost.

Yeah, even the Tau are cooler than the Word Bearers.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Add to that being Daddy's 3rd least favorite child and forcibly exiled to a room of people would never like.

Seriously they dropped any potential the World Eaters could have had by making them form ramps from the corpses of their own legionaries. Anything the World Eaters could have been was done better by the other legions. Could have been the first on the ground shock troops that bore the brunt of the initial attack, nope done better by someone else. Lightning fast assault troops that shatter the enemy leaving the rest to be mopped up, nope done better by someone else. Surrender or die to a man, sorry property of the White Scars.

The only use the World Eaters had was Manual Exterminatus. Most every other legion did everything they could do but better. The exception being dying. Nobody dies like World Eaters. Might as well have just put Orks in power armour.

They aren't even the best at being edgy, which is pretty sad considering.

The truth is the World Eaters suck almost as much as the Word Bearers. Almost.

Oh shit the shade at the Word Bearers.
Truth about the edgy factor. They're not edgy, they're just over the top in being unnecessary. Raven Guard, White Scars, Space Wolves, and Salamanders (Ironically) all do edgy better. The other Chaos Legions don't even need it, they just go full edge but that's expected.

[Noders]

is it okay to talk about BFGA2?

[Ameriganastan]

is it okay to talk about BFGA2?

Course you can. It's a 40K game.

[Noders]

So I pre purchased to get into the beta they ran until today and it was freaking awesome. They've taken the base game and made it so much better to start every major faction is present and each faction then has a slew of sub factions such as for the adeptus astartes, ultramarines, blood ravens ect... it awesome how they for the most part really do play distinctly such as tactics needed to win a match. They added a capture point mechanic into the matches that really works well with some of the lighter faster races such as the drukhari.

[Jetan]

So I pre purchased to get into the beta they ran until today and it was freaking awesome. They've taken the base game and made it so much better to start every major faction is present and each faction then has a slew of sub factions such as for the adeptus astartes, ultramarines, blood ravens ect... it awesome how they for the most part really do play distinctly such as tactics needed to win a match. They added a capture point mechanic into the matches that really works well with some of the lighter faster races such as the drukhari.

Sounds interesting. But to the main point: can you custom-colour your ships?

[Hurdergaryp]

So I pre purchased to get into the beta they ran until today and it was freaking awesome. They've taken the base game and made it so much better to start every major faction is present and each faction then has a slew of sub factions such as for the adeptus astartes, ultramarines, blood ravens ect... it awesome how they for the most part really do play distinctly such as tactics needed to win a match. They added a capture point mechanic into the matches that really works well with some of the lighter faster races such as the drukhari.

Sounds interesting. But to the main point: can you custom-colour your ships?

Vanity items usually acquire the spending of in-game currency bought with real life money.

[Balican]

They aren't even the best at being edgy, which is pretty sad considering.

The truth is the World Eaters suck almost as much as the Word Bearers. Almost.

Oh shit the shade at the Word Bearers.
Truth about the edgy factor. They're not edgy, they're just over the top in being unnecessary. Raven Guard, White Scars, Space Wolves, and Salamanders (Ironically) all do edgy better. The other Chaos Legions don't even need it, they just go full edge but that's expected.

I enjoyed them in Galaxy in Flames, but that's really all the contact I've had with them lorewise excluding 40k stuff. I still think one of my favorite parts of the book though is where

Saul explains what's going on to the World Eaters on the ground, and they fall of out their bloodlust in confusion and sadness. When they see the first World Eater thunderhawk land, they get enraged at the betrayal and charge at it, determined to slaughter their traitorous brothers. The door opens and Angron himself comes out screaming. My favorite part is as follows, "IT had often been said that a Space Marine knew no fear. Such a statement was not literally true, a Space Marine could know fear, but he had the training and discipline to deal with it and not let it affect him in battle. Captain Saul Tarvitz was no exception, he had faced storms of gunfire and monstrous aliens and even glimpsed the insane predators of the warp, but when Angron charged, he ran." I also liked the fact the Loken though Kharn was a pretty cool guy, but when they met on the battlefield, Kharn was a screaming ball of rage and metal.

I'm assuming that is just about the peak of the World Eaters lorewise.

[Noders]

Sounds interesting. But to the main point: can you custom-colour your ships?

Vanity items usually acquire the spending of in-game currency bought with real life money.

they didn't have microtransactions in the first game and I highly doubt it'll show up in the second game, but to answer your question no they don't have custom paint tool ingame, all the sub factions recolor the ships or change the way the hulls look to fit that particular sub faction, so while it would be a cool addition it does seem a little unnecessary.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Oh shit the shade at the Word Bearers.
Truth about the edgy factor. They're not edgy, they're just over the top in being unnecessary. Raven Guard, White Scars, Space Wolves, and Salamanders (Ironically) all do edgy better. The other Chaos Legions don't even need it, they just go full edge but that's expected.

I enjoyed them in Galaxy in Flames, but that's really all the contact I've had with them lorewise excluding 40k stuff. I still think one of my favorite parts of the book though is where

Saul explains what's going on to the World Eaters on the ground, and they fall of out their bloodlust in confusion and sadness. When they see the first World Eater thunderhawk land, they get enraged at the betrayal and charge at it, determined to slaughter their traitorous brothers. The door opens and Angron himself comes out screaming. My favorite part is as follows, "IT had often been said that a Space Marine knew no fear. Such a statement was not literally true, a Space Marine could know fear, but he had the training and discipline to deal with it and not let it affect him in battle. Captain Saul Tarvitz was no exception, he had faced storms of gunfire and monstrous aliens and even glimpsed the insane predators of the warp, but when Angron charged, he ran." I also liked the fact the Loken though Kharn was a pretty cool guy, but when they met on the battlefield, Kharn was a screaming ball of rage and metal.

I'm assuming that is just about the peak of the World Eaters lorewise.

"Loken though Kharn was a pretty cool guy"
Kharn is such a shitpost slaughter machine I'm surprised he wasn't Khorne the entire time. Though he was a true World Eater at heart. Unable to beat the fucking Emperor's Children. You'd think they'd perform decently against their adversary god's legion but nope. Khorne got the short end of the traitor stick. Slaanesh op thanks a lot you Eldar fucks.

[Tethys 13]

"Loken though Kharn was a pretty cool guy"
Kharn is such a shitpost slaughter machine I'm surprised he wasn't Khorne the entire time. Though he was a true World Eater at heart. Unable to beat the fucking Emperor's Children. You'd think they'd perform decently against their adversary god's legion but nope. Khorne got the short end of the traitor stick. Slaanesh op thanks a lot you Eldar fucks.

I liked Kharn a lot in Horus Heresy. He's pretty cool in After Desh'ea and awesome in Betrayer (even if that book seems to be infuriatingly badly written in parts).

In 40k though I can't stand him. He's boring and stupidly overpowered, both in writing and tabletop rules.

He should not have been able to defeat Celestine at all, let alone crush her like she's nothing. Celestine should be on par with Daemon Princes in my view, and Kharn should not.

His duel with Azrael is a far better fit, and provides one of the best pieces of artwork in 40k.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Kharn is overrated

[Tethys 13]

Kharn is overrated

I agree, but then all the current standard Space Marine champions of Chaos feel that way to me. The stigma of 10,000 years of failure is hard to shake. Thus:
Abaddon - whiny cartoon villain with daddy and grandpa issues.
Typhus - A smug arrogant brat with daddy and grandpa issues.
Kharn - angry shouty overpowered nonsense. At least he doesn't have the daddy issues.
Lucius - I can't take anything Slaaneshi seriously.

I highly doubt they will, but I really feel Games Workshop should replace Abaddon. He's really not main antagonist material. He's just "Horus but weaker with added nonsense plot power". Makes me think of Stardust Crusaders after Battle Tendency, and Stardust Crusaders was AWFUL.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Kharn is overrated

At least he's not the Space Smurfs. Big Daddy Calgar being the exception.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Kharn is overrated

At least he's not the Space Smurfs. Big Daddy Calgar being the exception.

Smurfs get more hate than they deserve imo


They are alright

[The Huskar Social Union]

Creed is also overrated : >

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Honsou is where it's at.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Honsou is where it's at.

Over


Rated




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Im just fucking with yous by the way. Though i do think Kharn is actually overrated.

[Hurdergaryp]

At least he's not the Space Smurfs. Big Daddy Calgar being the exception.

Smurfs get more hate than they deserve imo


They are alright

The Ultramarines are noble and capable defenders of the Imperium & should therefore be loved by everyone, unconditionally.

[Wine-loving Chimps]

Kharn is overrated

I agree, but then all the current standard Space Marine champions of Chaos feel that way to me. The stigma of 10,000 years of failure is hard to shake. Thus:
Abaddon - whiny cartoon villain with daddy and grandpa issues.
Typhus - A smug arrogant brat with daddy and grandpa issues.
Kharn - angry shouty overpowered nonsense. At least he doesn't have the daddy issues.
Lucius - I can't take anything Slaaneshi seriously.

I highly doubt they will, but I really feel Games Workshop should replace Abaddon. He's really not main antagonist material. He's just "Horus but weaker with added nonsense plot power". Makes me think of Stardust Crusaders after Battle Tendency, and Stardust Crusaders was AWFUL.

Then there is Ahriman, who is actually interesting but destroying the Imperium isn't exactly priority one for him.

[The Biggles Syndicate]

At least he's not the Space Smurfs. Big Daddy Calgar being the exception.

Smurfs get more hate than they deserve imo


They are alright

I mean, Dark Imperium gives us insight into what poor Guilliman goes through on a weekly basis. He pretty much has to protect a galaxy spanning empire from hell itself. To do so, he needs to make deals with insane priests and techpriests who worship his half-dead father and his demigod-like status, having to go along with what a normal person would see as insane. In order to power the Imperial war machine, he regretfully must keep billions of slaves in factories to avoid tipping the balance, and to keep the abominations of the Adeptus Mechanicus in place. The literal entirety of Hell itself wants him dead and will stop at nothing to topple him. Not to mention, none of his loyal brothers are around to help him anymore, only his evil ones will come to hunt him down. He must manage a galaxy-spanning war, traveling back and forth to numerous worlds. Some are normal, but he's seen horrors on the Daemon infested worlds that would make the Conjuring look like one of Shakespeare's comedy plays. Not to mention this is taking a massive toll on his health and is actually slowly killing him. He hasn't, and couldn't sleep for over a century after he came back to life, and healing from injuries gets only more and more painful. Not to mention that he led a 112-year crusade across the galaxy, only barely managing to push back the Warp's forces. And on the other side of the galaxy, half of the Imperium is being eaten and pillaged by the various xenos and daemons there, and Guilliman knows there's not that much he can do to help. And after he finishes the Indomitus Crusade, after so much pain and stress...he learns that the Plague God is trying to conquer his home realm, infecting billions of people into horrifying monstrosities every day. To add the rotting cherry to the top of the crap sundae, he knows that his arrogance and pride he so proudly displayed 10,000 years ago led to this.

But what does he do? He stands up to it, because he knows it's the only thing he can do, and doesn't give up, even after all of that. He is one of the most human primarchs, and doesn't just pursue his own means, but stops to try and help the regular no-name humans if he can. He makes mistakes, but realizes what he's done, but goes back to try and fix them. That's why Dark Imperium was so well received on these parts, because Guy Haley expressed a demigod's character into a human's terms, something that Matt Ward could never do. That's why he's my favorite Primarch.

[Tethys 13]

I finished Dark Imperium today (I got to it very late) and while I very much liked Guilliman's portrayal in the first half, its representation of the Emperor left me very concerned. I had hoped that idea was just Aaron Dembski-Bowden's, and as I mentioned in my review of Master of Mankind, I really don't like it. It ticks me off for some reason. If they keep this up, they really will have to majorly change the duel between Horus and the Emperor, and my theories as to how they might are all ones I would not like to see made real.

I think I avoided spoilers there.