Dragon Ball Discussion Thread - WAIFU WARS: THE DBZ FRONT

[Reploid Productions]

Loved it! They nailed the ending, IMO! The last bits of the fight were well-executed and managed to be exciting if not to the same level of intensity as mastered UI Goku vs Jiren at full power; the use of dialogue on both the U7 and U11 sides during the climax was great. Watching Goku, Frieza, and 17 actually coordinate surprisingly well in the final seconds was a treat, especially at the very end with Goku and Frieza actually coordinating really well and bodily hurling themselves and Jiren out with the last dregs of their strength.

I honestly would never have expected 17 would be the last man standing when all was said and done. Even if it was a foregone conclusion that the wish would be used to undo the damage, it was executed quite nicely. Rather surprised at the reveal that Zeno apparently already knew that would be the case though. Perhaps there's more to the childlike eldritch abomination than has been previously let on! I think at the end there Jiren finally got a chance to grow as a character too, starting with Toppo aping Kamina's "Believe in me that believes in you!" notion from Gurren Lagann. I get the feeling he is going to be a much more likable character whenever we next see him again.

Had a massive instant of "OMGWTF ARE YOU SERIOUS?!" when Whis revived Frieza. One, HE CAN DO THAT?! Two, THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOKU PROMISED!! Especially with that stinger bit showing Frieza once again at the head of his army. If that plot thread doesn't come into play in the upcoming movie, clearly there is gonna be an arc dealing with that whenever Super (or its sequel series) starts back up. Not sure how I feel about a third storyline of "Frieza is the bad guy," I think they're gonna have to do some damned good writing to make it more interesting. I don't want a Resurrection F part 2.

Also really enjoyed the various after-party shenanigans shown during the epilogue where the theme was playing. It was a nice wrap-up and winding down from the intensity of the final battle. Also, I freely admit I squealed like a teenaged girl with glee at that shot of Goku and Vegeta at the very end in some wasteland taking up their stances, the entire shot calling back to the first time those two fought back in Z. That was a wonderful way to end it.

It ended. And it ended well. I am quite satisfied with how it went down.... and I look forward to whatever is coming next!

[Destructive Government Economic System]

So Jiren finally manages to accept others, eh? Solid fight, and it's very unusual and surprising to see Goku team up with Frieza out of all the possible characters. I thought that No. 17 would've been eliminated but he managed to cling on.

The wish, however, is when I start to question the episode here.

Originally, Zeno wanted this entire tournament to start due to seeing the epic fight between U6 and U7's warriors in that one arena on that disguised super dragon ball. In other words, he thought it was "fun" to see and it relieved him of his boredom. In addition to being amused, he also started the tournament because he thought that there were too many universes for him to govern. Yeah, he erased every single one of them except U7, but then the two omnis agreed to bring all of them back via No. 17's wish.

Like... really man?

Also, after the wish was made, Daishinkan points out that Zeno would've erased even U7, the winning team, were a "selfish" wish to be made (if Frieza was the only fighter standing then U7 would've been gone, in other words).

Are the two Zenos just absolute trolls or actual serious rulers? They make all the universes fight each other just to survive and then suddenly agree to bring them all back. And guess what? If the winning universe managed to commit a mistake at the very end then all of the universes would've been erased, meaning that there wasn't a survival arc in the first place. Pretty much this entire tournament was pointless on its own, and the only valid explanation as to why they allowed the universes to live is because they only threatened erasure just to bring out the best fighters out of all the universes, which in turn would make the tournament much more boredom-relieving than if the consequence of losing be something much more meager.

And if someone's gonna point out that Zenos' agreeing to 17's wish was because "the wish was selfless", then let me ask you this: When did they ever care about restoring things? Future Zeno does despise evil, but he did so by destroying the entire multiverse to eradicate Zamasu, not even caring whether Goku and the others were still there or not; for present Zeno, if you remember a few arcs back, he destroyed at least six universes just because he was "not in the good mood" at the time. I just can't think that those two knuckleheads would consider restoring universes just like that. It's like the writers just wanted a happy ending and move on to the next arc (which will likely be about Frieza because he's back in action). The Zenos couldn't just have had a "change of heart" or anything like that to make them spare the erased universes... Goku befriending them would have been the only explanation if this change occurred, but then we must note that they would've erased him as well if U7 lost... Maybe they're both just too young, despite their incredible ages, to be rightfully considered to be Omni Kings. Daishinkan would've been a much better ruler, to be honest. He's chill, and I'm sure he doesn't make incredibly random decisions to destroy entire universes, restore said universes back upon a last-minute request of one single resident of a non-erased universe, or play games of chess with real planets as the pieces to occupy his time.

Those Zenos are cute and all, but they were much more of the real antagonists to me than Jiren ever was.

[Reploid Productions]

Knowing Toriyama, I would not be the least bit surprised if the Omnikings were just a couple of complete and utter trolls. After all, so long as everyone thought their universes were at stake, nobody would be halfassing it during the tournament, thus keeping it more entertaining!

[Destructive Government Economic System]

It makes me wonder if the fighters will actually take it seriously the next time another (possible) tournament comes up. After all, the winner can just resurrect the rest of the universes, and selfish wishes are prohibited. There's also the possible fact that if a selfless wish is made by the winner, but the wish itself doesn't relate to restoring the losing universes back, then the winner's God of Destruction will be pretty pissed as a result. It's like this will become Zenos' new pasttime: Hold new fighting tournaments to amuse themselves and they'll just never end. New teams will definitely be made in the future because the originals will die of old age (implying that these tournaments will occur once every few thousand years), so each universe won't be the same as before. If the deceased original fighters are resurrected to participate (like Frieza), then they better have been training stronger to keep the new tournaments unpredictable.

(If no more tournaments will be held then I dunno how the Zenos will find ways to consume time without playing planet-destroying boardgames.)

Also... I've been thinking that, when taking a look back at Zamasu's erasure, Future Zeno apparently wasn't able to time travel, so if you wanted to overthrow those two delinquents then have present Bulma create a time machine, tell the two Zenos that you want to take them on a field trip, go to the erased future multiverse, drop those two guys there, and immediately return back to the present. No more erasures, no more need to increase your universe's mortal level just to be exempt.

[Reploid Productions]

It makes me wonder if the fighters will actually take it seriously the next time another (possible) tournament comes up. After all, the winner can just resurrect the rest of the universes, and selfish wishes are prohibited. There's also the possible fact that if a selfless wish is made by the winner, but the wish itself doesn't relate to restoring the losing universes back, then the winner's God of Destruction will be pretty pissed as a result. It's like this will become Zenos' new pasttime: Hold new fighting tournaments to amuse themselves and they'll just never end. New teams will definitely be made in the future because the originals will die of old age (implying that these tournaments will occur once every few thousand years), so each universe won't be the same as before. If the deceased original fighters are resurrected to participate (like Frieza), then they better have been training stronger to keep the new tournaments unpredictable.

(If no more tournaments will be held then I dunno how the Zenos will find ways to consume time without playing planet-destroying boardgames.)

Also... I've been thinking that, when taking a look back at Zamasu's erasure, Future Zeno apparently wasn't able to time travel, so if you wanted to overthrow those two delinquents then have present Bulma create a time machine, tell the two Zenos that you want to take them on a field trip, go to the erased future multiverse, drop those two guys there, and immediately return back to the present. No more erasures, no more need to increase your universe's mortal level just to be exempt.

That is an interesting idea, but we also don't know what other potential consequences there might be for the multiverse lacking an Omniking. We know the little horror destroys universes, but we don't know what mechanism exists for creating new ones, if that's Zeno's thing or some other yet-to-be-introduced divinity in the pantheon.

... Plus Beerus did kinda blow up Bulma's attempt at building a new time machine before the tournament even got underway, and from the way it was described, he probably took out the notebook and all that relevant information as well.

.... Which doesn't exclude the possibility of future Trunks bringing his back for some reason again.....

[Destructive Government Economic System]

With the lack of an official Zeno there could be Great Priest as a substitute. He actually knows how to fight and his overall figure looks like it could command much more authority than that of the tiny Omni Kings. He's not exactly able to insta murder every single universe out there, but we gotta note how a clash from a mere two Gods of Destruction is already able to destroy a single universe, and Great Priest's power completely outclasses that of two fully powered Gods of Destruction. If there's some hidden consequence for the lack of an official Omni King (like the multiverse collapsing or something like that) and Great Priest isn't a valid candidate to replace the current two, then I dunno how to respond to that (lol), but there's likely not one because Zeno himself is only sitting on his tiny throne because he's so freakishly powerful, not because of some ancient effect that would result from the lack of a proper figure of authority.

To create new universes, there might not be an official way to do so, since the universes might have already been there since the dawn of time, but it might be just possible if you hire Super Shenron via the super dragon balls. After all, the Zenos themselves state that those things are able to grant any wish that you can imagine (except, of course, wishing to destroy the Zenos or maybe even Great Priest as well).

Since time travelling is apparently a horrible sin in any universe, Future Trunks likely won't be coming back any time soon. Present Bulma should be able to get a time machine made, though it might require help from Whis and Beerus due to her research being smashed by them, who were both clearly against her decisions during that one episode. They (or at least Beerus) might turn to her side though if the Zenos cause any more childish scheming, assuming that Whis and Beerus still remember that she even knows how to mess around with time travel.

Makes me wonder if an entire arc related to the Zenos will be made in the future. Toriyama indeed seemed to make them completely random characters, but it would be a nice touch on them since they're, in a literal sense, all-powerful deities.

[Reploid Productions]

Unrelated, over in dub land, it sounds like the Internet is having a freakin' field day with this scene and the particular choice of how that line was translated.

[Turmenista]

Last episode was wild and I had a group watching of it with the homies. Thoughts?

[The Republic of Atria]

Last episode was wild and I had a group watching of it with the homies. Thoughts?

It was a fantastic, if slightly rushed, finale. Some of the best action in the series by far and had some of the best moments. Mainly Goku and Frieza WORKING TOGETHER. That shit was fucking nuts. Makes me long for a Dragon Ball style RP.

Beyond that it was an excellent send off and Zeno revealing that he was going to erase everything if the wish made was a selfish one rather than being used to bring back the erased universes was... Somehow in character but at the same time... There's clearly more to him than I thought.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

Last episode was wild and I had a group watching of it with the homies. Thoughts?

It was a fantastic, if slightly rushed, finale. Some of the best action in the series by far and had some of the best moments. Mainly Goku and Frieza WORKING TOGETHER. That shit was fucking nuts. Makes me long for a Dragon Ball style RP.

Beyond that it was an excellent send off and Zeno revealing that he was going to erase everything if the wish made was a selfish one rather than being used to bring back the erased universes was... Somehow in character but at the same time... There's clearly more to him than I thought.

just one, if super shenlong can do ANYTHING. Who's Zalama and how powerful is he?

[Mundeo]

It was a fantastic, if slightly rushed, finale. Some of the best action in the series by far and had some of the best moments. Mainly Goku and Frieza WORKING TOGETHER. That shit was fucking nuts. Makes me long for a Dragon Ball style RP.

Beyond that it was an excellent send off and Zeno revealing that he was going to erase everything if the wish made was a selfish one rather than being used to bring back the erased universes was... Somehow in character but at the same time... There's clearly more to him than I thought.

just one, if super shenlong can do ANYTHING. Who's Zalama and how powerful is he?

Zalama's the dude who made the SDB's and Super Shenron. Considering what Super Shenron is capable of (which is pretty much everything if ep 131 is any indication), it wouldn't be too far-fetched for Zalama to be comparable to Zeno.

[Reploid Productions]

just one, if super shenlong can do ANYTHING. Who's Zalama and how powerful is he?

Zalama's the dude who made the SDB's and Super Shenron. Considering what Super Shenron is capable of (which is pretty much everything if ep 131 is any indication), it wouldn't be too far-fetched for Zalama to be comparable to Zeno.

If Zeno, being able to destroy entire universes on a whim could be seen as the top of the Destroyer side of the pantheon, maybe Zalama is at the top of the creation side of it?

[Gurori]

Farewell, Dragon Ball Super.

'til we meet again.

[The Rich Port]

Considering that all of the female characters in DBZ up until this point were secondary characters who did not do anything interesting except whine and complain and give birth to children, it's no wonder Android 21 became this franchise's THOT Slayer, and Launch just disappeared from the storyline after Dragon Ball Z.

Sure, Android 18 exists, but then she became another secondary female character who did nothing except whine, complain, and give birth to children.

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I assume after the wedding ceremony she turned the groom into the wedding cake.

[The Republic of Atria]

Considering that all of the female characters in DBZ up until this point were secondary characters who did not do anything interesting except whine and complain and give birth to children, it's no wonder Android 21 became this franchise's THOT Slayer, and Launch just disappeared from the storyline after Dragon Ball Z.

Sure, Android 18 exists, but then she became another secondary female character who did nothing except whine, complain, and give birth to children.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 41/441.jpg

I assume after the wedding ceremony she turned the groom into the wedding cake.

So... All the ass beating she did in the Tournament didn't count?

[The Rich Port]

Considering that all of the female characters in DBZ up until this point were secondary characters who did not do anything interesting except whine and complain and give birth to children, it's no wonder Android 21 became this franchise's THOT Slayer, and Launch just disappeared from the storyline after Dragon Ball Z.

Sure, Android 18 exists, but then she became another secondary female character who did nothing except whine, complain, and give birth to children.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 41/441.jpg

I assume after the wedding ceremony she turned the groom into the wedding cake.

So... All the ass beating she did in the Tournament didn't count?

Not to Toriyama, apparently, not enough to keep her around.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

So... All the ass beating she did in the Tournament didn't count?

Not to Toriyama, apparently, not enough to keep her around.

To be fair, 18 didn't have the whole forcefield ability 17 has AND her ankle was sprained

[Reploid Productions]

Toriyama I believe has himself stated that he's not too comfortable writing female characters, or at least writing them long term. Which really does suck because the DBverse has plenty of interesting female characters, he just never utilizes them to their full potential. Launch was fun, but given she was kinda a one-trick gag character from the outset, the fact she was sidelined isn't a surprise. Chichi started out interesting, but Toriyama wasn't sure what to do with her and thus reverted to the Stereotypical Over-Demanding Matriarch stereotype. Bulma got sidelined as the series shifted away from the adventuring and more into the pure action and fighting. 18 got sidelined once her role in the Cell saga was done, again because he didn't know what to do with the character. Hopefully there's enough fan demand for Caulifla and Kale that they don't disappear into the aether.

Really, Toriyama comes up with neat ideas, but more and more I feel like he should be in more of an advisory/coming-up-with-concepts role and leave the heavy lifting on the story writing to... well, people who can keep a story coherent, take those concepts Toriyama comes up with, and apply them to the storytelling. It's not like back when he was doing the DB manga where it was him, maybe a couple of assistants, and editors breathing down his neck constantly. The companies that handle the manga and anime are both literally devoting entire subdivisions of people to Dragon Ball, it's not like he's got to do all the story work himself anymore.

[The Republic of Atria]

Toriyama I believe has himself stated that he's not too comfortable writing female characters, or at least writing them long term. Which really does suck because the DBverse has plenty of interesting female characters, he just never utilizes them to their full potential. Launch was fun, but given she was kinda a one-trick gag character from the outset, the fact she was sidelined isn't a surprise. Chichi started out interesting, but Toriyama wasn't sure what to do with her and thus reverted to the Stereotypical Over-Demanding Matriarch stereotype. Bulma got sidelined as the series shifted away from the adventuring and more into the pure action and fighting. 18 got sidelined once her role in the Cell saga was done, again because he didn't know what to do with the character. Hopefully there's enough fan demand for Caulifla and Kale that they don't disappear into the aether.

Really, Toriyama comes up with neat ideas, but more and more I feel like he should be in more of an advisory/coming-up-with-concepts role and leave the heavy lifting on the story writing to... well, people who can keep a story coherent, take those concepts Toriyama comes up with, and apply them to the storytelling. It's not like back when he was doing the DB manga where it was him, maybe a couple of assistants, and editors breathing down his neck constantly. The companies that handle the manga and anime are both literally devoting entire subdivisions of people to Dragon Ball, it's not like he's got to do all the story work himself anymore.

That's generally what most people's (mine included) have with Toriyama's writing. He introduces something cool, and rather than expanding upon it, he just introduces more things. People like detail. Even if it's fantastical details. Just start expanding upon what's already there. I'd hate for him to introduce the entire multiverse, use it exactly twice, and then never mention it again.

I remember Toriyama saying that he's not good at writing, yeah. Fortunately he's not writing more than an outline, Toei handles the details in between. Apparently, Toriyama wanted to go from the U6 versus U7 to the Tournament of power right away and Toei convinced him to add the Future Trunks arc.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

Toriyama I believe has himself stated that he's not too comfortable writing female characters, or at least writing them long term. Which really does suck because the DBverse has plenty of interesting female characters, he just never utilizes them to their full potential. Launch was fun, but given she was kinda a one-trick gag character from the outset, the fact she was sidelined isn't a surprise. Chichi started out interesting, but Toriyama wasn't sure what to do with her and thus reverted to the Stereotypical Over-Demanding Matriarch stereotype. Bulma got sidelined as the series shifted away from the adventuring and more into the pure action and fighting. 18 got sidelined once her role in the Cell saga was done, again because he didn't know what to do with the character. Hopefully there's enough fan demand for Caulifla and Kale that they don't disappear into the aether.

Really, Toriyama comes up with neat ideas, but more and more I feel like he should be in more of an advisory/coming-up-with-concepts role and leave the heavy lifting on the story writing to... well, people who can keep a story coherent, take those concepts Toriyama comes up with, and apply them to the storytelling. It's not like back when he was doing the DB manga where it was him, maybe a couple of assistants, and editors breathing down his neck constantly. The companies that handle the manga and anime are both literally devoting entire subdivisions of people to Dragon Ball, it's not like he's got to do all the story work himself anymore.

That's generally what most people's (mine included) have with Toriyama's writing. He introduces something cool, and rather than expanding upon it, he just introduces more things. People like detail. Even if it's fantastical details. Just start expanding upon what's already there. I'd hate for him to introduce the entire multiverse, use it exactly twice, and then never mention it again.

I remember Toriyama saying that he's not good at writing, yeah. Fortunately he's not writing more than an outline, Toei handles the details in between. Apparently, Toriyama wanted to go from the U6 versus U7 to the Tournament of power right away and Toei convinced him to add the Future Trunks arc.

Huh, I have a feeling that Toriyama puts more work into HIS ideas (DB,DBZ,BoG,RoF,U7 v U6,ToP) that make them more than lackluster at points (Future Trunks Saga, pretty good but it was lackluster at points) and mostly amazing all around than ideas that weren't originally his (future trunks arc)

[Reploid Productions]

That's generally what most people's (mine included) have with Toriyama's writing. He introduces something cool, and rather than expanding upon it, he just introduces more things. People like detail. Even if it's fantastical details. Just start expanding upon what's already there. I'd hate for him to introduce the entire multiverse, use it exactly twice, and then never mention it again.

I remember Toriyama saying that he's not good at writing, yeah. Fortunately he's not writing more than an outline, Toei handles the details in between. Apparently, Toriyama wanted to go from the U6 versus U7 to the Tournament of power right away and Toei convinced him to add the Future Trunks arc.

Huh, I have a feeling that Toriyama puts more work into HIS ideas (DB,DBZ,BoG,RoF,U7 v U6,ToP) that make them more than lackluster at points (Future Trunks Saga, pretty good but it was lackluster at points) and mostly amazing all around than ideas that weren't originally his (future trunks arc)

I loved the future Trunks arc, personally. Right up until they wrote themselves into a corner at the end with "BTW, Zamasu is like legit freakin' immortal" and they ended up flubbing the very end of the arc. For instance, I think the climax of the arc would have been far more dramatic and way more satisfying if the plan to trap Zamasu had in fact worked, pushing Black into a villainous breakdown for the final battle. At that point, Black was on his own a believable enough threat that they could have given him a rage-break grand finale powerup, had this amazing fight with him vs Goku and Vegeta (with or without the potara fusion in the middle of it,) and then had Trunks come in to secure the kill and save his timeline.

Also interesting, as far back as DB and DBZ, some of the best things storywise were due to executive meddling. We got 17 and 18, and later Cell because Toriyama's editors looked at 19 and 20 and were basically, "... Really? That's supposed to be the big scary androids? They aren't scary at all!" and then later about 17 and 18, "They're just a couple of punk delinquents!"

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

Huh, I have a feeling that Toriyama puts more work into HIS ideas (DB,DBZ,BoG,RoF,U7 v U6,ToP) that make them more than lackluster at points (Future Trunks Saga, pretty good but it was lackluster at points) and mostly amazing all around than ideas that weren't originally his (future trunks arc)

I loved the future Trunks arc, personally. Right up until they wrote themselves into a corner at the end with "BTW, Zamasu is like legit freakin' immortal" and they ended up flubbing the very end of the arc. For instance, I think the climax of the arc would have been far more dramatic and way more satisfying if the plan to trap Zamasu had in fact worked, pushing Black into a villainous breakdown for the final battle. At that point, Black was on his own a believable enough threat that they could have given him a rage-break grand finale powerup, had this amazing fight with him vs Goku and Vegeta (with or without the potara fusion in the middle of it,) and then had Trunks come in to secure the kill and save his timeline.

Also interesting, as far back as DB and DBZ, some of the best things storywise were due to executive meddling. We got 17 and 18, and later Cell because Toriyama's editors looked at 19 and 20 and were basically, "... Really? That's supposed to be the big scary androids? They aren't scary at all!" and then later about 17 and 18, "They're just a couple of punk delinquents!"

Huh.

Well that still doesn't change the fact that the Potara retcon was idiotic.

[Britanania]

Huh, I have a feeling that Toriyama puts more work into HIS ideas (DB,DBZ,BoG,RoF,U7 v U6,ToP) that make them more than lackluster at points (Future Trunks Saga, pretty good but it was lackluster at points) and mostly amazing all around than ideas that weren't originally his (future trunks arc)

I loved the future Trunks arc, personally. Right up until they wrote themselves into a corner at the end with "BTW, Zamasu is like legit freakin' immortal" and they ended up flubbing the very end of the arc. For instance, I think the climax of the arc would have been far more dramatic and way more satisfying if the plan to trap Zamasu had in fact worked, pushing Black into a villainous breakdown for the final battle. At that point, Black was on his own a believable enough threat that they could have given him a rage-break grand finale powerup, had this amazing fight with him vs Goku and Vegeta (with or without the potara fusion in the middle of it,) and then had Trunks come in to secure the kill and save his timeline.

Also interesting, as far back as DB and DBZ, some of the best things storywise were due to executive meddling. We got 17 and 18, and later Cell because Toriyama's editors looked at 19 and 20 and were basically, "... Really? That's supposed to be the big scary androids? They aren't scary at all!" and then later about 17 and 18, "They're just a couple of punk delinquents!"

I'm of the minority and unpopular opinion that Frieza is the pinnacle of his storytelling abilities and its a decline from there on.

[Reploid Productions]

Huh.

Well that still doesn't change the fact that the Potara retcon was idiotic.

Good gods, seriously. WASTED OPPORTUNITY! I mean, thanks to Kaioshin, we know that potara fusion can be undone using the dragonballs. Now imagine the hilarity of the rest of the cast having to put up with Vegito, in a non-crisis situation, until they can collect the balls and undo it. The possibilities for character interactions with that would have been amazing and/or hysterical. Besides, at that point in the arc, fused Zamasu was a major enough threat that it wouldn't have felt cheap or anything if he had proven powerful enough to overpower Vegito, leaving Trunks to get his heroic second wind and come in for the kill after Vegito softened the big bad up first.

I'm of the minority and unpopular opinion that Frieza is the pinnacle of his storytelling abilities and its a decline from there on.

Eh, the Cell saga was pretty good too, though as noted before, a sizable chunk of that was thanks to the meddling of his editors. Sans editorial meddling, the Frieza saga was probably his peak. Overall Dragonball is no great masterpiece of storytelling, but I can appreciate it (just like I can appreciate Super) despite all of its narrative/consistency flaws. Plus having such a loosely defined and at times self-contradictory/unclear canon does give the fans a hell of a lot of room to play in that setting.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Huh.

Well that still doesn't change the fact that the Potara retcon was idiotic.

Good gods, seriously. WASTED OPPORTUNITY! I mean, thanks to Kaioshin, we know that potara fusion can be undone using the dragonballs. Now imagine the hilarity of the rest of the cast having to put up with Vegito, in a non-crisis situation, until they can collect the balls and undo it. The possibilities for character interactions with that would have been amazing and/or hysterical. Besides, at that point in the arc, fused Zamasu was a major enough threat that it wouldn't have felt cheap or anything if he had proven powerful enough to overpower Vegito, leaving Trunks to get his heroic second wind and come in for the kill after Vegito softened the big bad up first.

an idea I thought up, was what if Merged Zamasu had pulled out that ki scythe thing that Black used, and used it to cut Vegito in half, splitting the fusion apart

that just sounds so cool to me tbh, and it would make the scythe thing Black did seem less like asspull filler

either that, or Vegito runs out of energy and drops to base, then Trunks comes in for the spirit sword only it shows everyone in the other world raising their hands and lending him their energy, including Future Gohan and Future Bulma, and he finishes Zamasu off for real. that'd be lit.