Flamebaiting and Sexism

[North Suran]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=125

Not the most clear-cut of cases, but comments by Hiddenrun that could be interpreted as flame-baiting and trolling, and are unrelated to the OP:

Sexism, "all women secretly crave to have babies", etc.

Also made some comments regarding Nanatsu no Tsuki and Galloism.

[Kryozerkia]

Addressed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Addressed.

I know, and I'm sorry.

[Neo Art]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10130&start=25#p339058


Seems to be back again.

[Kryozerkia]

Yes he does seem to be back. There is nothing in the rules against blatant sexism sadly enough. Once he actually does cross the line then something can be done.

[Ryuugu]

viewtopic.php?p=339639#p339639

I find this extremely uncalled for.

[Hiddenrun]

This poster has come right out and discussed intimate details of her life, unasked. She has felt that it is acceptable to make assumptions about me, and yet when I merely mention a detail she herself exposed to the entire forum, I am reported.

I have no problem putting this poster on ignore, but I would like to know if there is some rule on NSG about having to pretend that someone didn't spill their guts to the world at large? Some sort of rule of protection against themselves?

[Kryozerkia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=339639#p339639

I find this extremely uncalled for.

Not actionable, though it may seem uncalled for.

As far as I can tell from it, Hiddenrun was reading between the lines and putting words in the mouths of others.

Hiddenrun, I suggest you refrain from purposely irritating other posters. Other posters will report it because it seems your only objective is to irritate others. I suggest you back down.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

This poster has come right out and discussed intimate details of her life, unasked. She has felt that it is acceptable to make assumptions about me, and yet when I merely mention a detail she herself exposed to the entire forum, I am reported.

I have no problem putting this poster on ignore, but I would like to know if there is some rule on NSG about having to pretend that someone didn't spill their guts to the world at large? Some sort of rule of protection against themselves?

Dunno about that, but there is some sort of rule about going out of your way to act the asshat on account. No one is forced to read or reply any more than anyone is forced to post thoughts, opinions, or ideas to begin with. What is expected is that some modicum of common sense and in some cases, restraint be utilized. At least that's been my observation.

Your approach and opinions have made you rather unpopular there, and I can see why. When you bring the heat down on yourself that way, you're going to be scrutinized more closely - that's the way the cookie crumbles.

EDIT: sorry Kryo, hope that wasn't out of line.

Kryo sez: No, it wasn't out of line. It was very reasonable.

[Hiddenrun]

Not actionable, though it may seem uncalled for.

As far as I can tell from it, Hiddenrun was reading between the lines and putting words in the mouths of others.

Hiddenrun, I suggest you refrain from purposely irritating other posters. Other posters will report it because it seems your only objective is to irritate others. I suggest you back down.

I will put her on ignore.

[Hiddenrun]

This poster has come right out and discussed intimate details of her life, unasked. She has felt that it is acceptable to make assumptions about me, and yet when I merely mention a detail she herself exposed to the entire forum, I am reported.

I have no problem putting this poster on ignore, but I would like to know if there is some rule on NSG about having to pretend that someone didn't spill their guts to the world at large? Some sort of rule of protection against themselves?

Dunno about that, but there is some sort of rule about going out of your way to act the asshat on account. No one is forced to read or reply any more than anyone is forced to post thoughts, opinions, or ideas to begin with. What is expected is that some modicum of common sense and in some cases, restraint be utilized. At least that's been my observation.

Your approach and opinions have made you rather unpopular there, and I can see why. When you bring the heat down on yourself that way, you're going to be scrutinized more closely - that's the way the cookie crumbles.

EDIT: sorry Kryo, hope that wasn't out of line.

Kryo sez: No, it wasn't out of line. It was very reasonable.

Then perhaps people should refrain from making issues personal? If one brings up a topic that is painfully close, then how can we actually discuss it, if at every step, that person takes any and all opposing comments to heart, and claims it's some sort of persecution? It seems like a very dishonest way to debate.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Then perhaps people should refrain from making issues personal? If one brings up a topic that is painfully close, then how can we actually discuss it, if at every step, that person takes any and all opposing comments to heart, and claims it's some sort of persecution? It seems like a very dishonest way to debate.

It isn't the topic, the personal nature, sensitive subjects, or anything else that is the problem - it is the manner in which some, such as yourself, choose to respond to them. If the topic were out of line, the poster would be called on it. If their attempts to illustrate why they feel your posts were uncalled for are out of line, they would be called on it.

Again, if something so offends your sensibilities, you are not beholden to respond to it, especially if you cannot handle doing so without being outright insulting.

[DaWoad]

Then perhaps people should refrain from making issues personal? If one brings up a topic that is painfully close, then how can we actually discuss it, if at every step, that person takes any and all opposing comments to heart, and claims it's some sort of persecution? It seems like a very dishonest way to debate.

yes dishonest . . .lets talk about THAT shall we? First off this entire post is hypocritical. You condem Nanatsu for looking for advice while at the same time you spill you person story across multiple issues simply to make yourself look better. Moving on, ANYONE over the age of about four would realize that your posts in this thread have ranged from inappropriate to outright disgusting. This leads me to believe that your "My first wife" story is so much bull that your using to try and glorify yourself in our eyes. I have a great deal of respect for nanatsu which she has earned by being a good,solid person for litterally years who has done nothing to offend you and I'm not gonna finish that thought. . .

As to Hiddenruns posts being actionable I'd like to point out the following
Flaming:
He has called Nanatsu a hypocrite on more than one occasion.
Flamed Bottle viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395

Greifing:
Claimed (tried to be clever about it which is just disgusting) that Nanatsu was somehow unfit to be a parent viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=175#p339639

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331282

simply uncalled for (griefing/flamebaiting):
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331220
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331322
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331376

Flamebaiting:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882#p331018

Not actionable but rediculous:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331484

are you sure that this is not actionable kryo?

[Kryozerkia]

IAs to Hiddenruns posts being actionable I'd like to point out the following
Flaming:
He has called Nanatsu a hypocrite on more than one occasion.
Flamed Bottle viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395

Greifing:
Claimed (tried to be clever about it which is just disgusting) that Nanatsu was somehow unfit to be a parent viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=175#p339639

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331282

simply uncalled for (griefing/flamebaiting):
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331220
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331322

Flamebaiting:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882#p331018

are you sure that this is not actionable kryo?

I will review those posts.

[DaWoad]

I will review those posts.

Thanks Kryo

[Snafturi]

My own two cents on this post: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=175#p339639

Aren't comments like " Unlike you, however, I am actually raising children." and "No, I haven't lost a child, because I ensure that my children are protected, loved, and well cared for." completely out of line considering Nanastu had a miscarriage?

[Melkor Unchained]

Just poking my head in for a second I can't see how viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395 is possibly a flame.

[Kryozerkia]

Just poking my head in for a second I can't see how viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395 is possibly a flame.

No, I don't believe it is a flame, but I believe that if his comments were looked at through a different lens, since the lens for flaming doens't fit the current set of posts we're looking at, we see that it is trolling, and after reading a number of his posts, I do believe he only intends to troll. Though unlike most, he hides behind good grammar and spelling.

[Hiddenrun]

Flaming:
He has called Nanatsu a hypocrite on more than one occasion.
Flamed Bottle viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395

!? Flamed Bottle? You'll note her original post to me was quite inflammatory and I quote:

"It's so cute when a boy brags about how he's had failed and dysfunctional relationships with women and then also claims to know what women really think and feel. "

In no way was my response even close to flaming. I ignored her rudeness, and expanded on the subject.

Greifing:
Claimed (tried to be clever about it which is just disgusting) that Nanatsu was somehow unfit to be a parent viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=175#p339639

What the living hell? Are all of my posts seriously going to be analyzed by Nanatsu no's raging fan club to find any aspect that could possibly be reported? I don't agree with her, and she outright flamed me, but I'm being harrassed for every single thing I say? No one reported the fellow after that post who outright called her crazy, by the way.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331282

I absolutely stand by my comments. Not all women should be mothers. Some realise this, and don't do it. Others do it because they can. How on earth is this something that this poster should be reporting? Is there some sort of rule against using mods as a weapon, because this is ridiculous.

simply uncalled for (griefing/flamebaiting):
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=25#p331220
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331322
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331376

Again, I stand by my comments. Some women are unfit mothers, how is this actionable!?

Flamebaiting:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882#p331018

Christ, I made one off color joke at the beginning and you dig it up to add to the pile of straw you've assembled here? Absolutely ridiculous. You'll note I have not pulled up every single post by Nanatsu no that involved calling me various colorful names, or Bottle's virulent personal attacks. Why? Because some of us have thicker skin.

Not actionable but rediculous:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=50#p331484

are you sure that this is not actionable kryo?

Seriously. Are you going to dredge up every single post I've made in the hopes you can 'get' me on behalf of a poster you seem so desperate to protect?

[DaWoad]

*snip*

I'd say something along the lines of take it to moderation but . . .well we're kinda already here. Maybe backup some of what your saying with quotes from the thread though including links.

[Hiddenrun]

Just poking my head in for a second I can't see how viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9882&start=100#p334395 is possibly a flame.

No, I don't believe it is a flame, but I believe that if his comments were looked at through a different lens, since the lens for flaming doens't fit the current set of posts we're looking at, we see that it is trolling, and after reading a number of his posts, I do believe he only intends to troll. Though unlike most, he hides behind good grammar and spelling.

Thank you for the backhanded compliment on my spelling and grammar, but I would like to protest. I do not see how my stance on this is 'trolling'. You will note that what I actually said varies greatly from what Bottle, Nanatsu no et al. have actually claimed I said. I stated quite clearly that all women have a biological urge to have children. Let me be more specific and say that all women of childbearing years have a biological urge to have children. I also specifically said that this in no way means all women choose to have children, want children, or end up having children. Rather than actually address the fact that women, like men, have biological urges that we can overcome, a group of women here got over the top offended, and now I'm trolling?

What is so horrible about just admitting that your body wants to have children? It doesn't mean you need to have children.

What I reacted to was the immediate personal attacks, the outrageous twisting of my words, and they way in which my argument was absolutely mischaracterized (on purpose I suspect). It baffles me that suddenly, because of this, dishonest perception becomes reality.

[Hiddenrun]

*snip*

I'd say something along the lines of take it to moderation but . . .well we're kinda already here. Maybe backup some of what your saying with quotes from the thread though including links.

Except I don't actually feel it necessary to come here and cry about how I've been flamed. Kryozerkia already commented on one such flame. I am here, opposing your little vendetta. I'm not here to demand that people get their wrists slapped.

[DaWoad]

rrrr . . .not a mod should I respond or just leave it to you gals/guys to decide?

[Buffett and Colbert]

rrrr . . .not a mod should I respond or just leave it to you gals/guys to decide?

Ignore him and leave to the mods, you must.

Yoda knows all. *nods*

[Minnas]

What I reacted to was the immediate personal attacks, the outrageous twisting of my words, and they way in which my argument was absolutely mischaracterized (on purpose I suspect). It baffles me that suddenly, because of this, dishonest perception becomes reality.

But what you did to Nanatsu and, in the beginning to Galloism, isn't personally attacking. When someone calls you on your claims, you cry ''personal attack''. Really, with the way you are, can you expect to be respected? Respect has to be given to be recieved. You haven't done such and have gone to great lenghts to hurt someone just because it suits you.

Don't be baffled when people have a bad perception of you. You went to great lenghts to create it all by yourself.