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In before warned for spam
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:12 pmby Zukariaa
How do I complain about your rules if I don't like them? A clear answer would be nice rather than just a lock or warning. Max Barry will not respond even if I could find out where to find him, so please don't give me that crap like the last time I asked this. Seriously, it seems like every single time I come back to this site hoping to just freely post and converse, you moderators come in and tyrannize everything. I assume Max Barry cares that the people using his site are unhappy.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:14 pmby The Floridian Coast
I would assume Max Barry thinks that with tens of thousands of people on a forum there are always going to have to be people to be ignored.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:16 pmby Derkachuj
you best be careful now, zuk, they are going to be insensibly banned and they are going to recommend a sensible appeal that will be very insensibly overlooked or made in a way that you can not submit.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:16 pmby Hornopolis
Zukariaa wrote:How do I complain about your rules if I don't like them? A clear answer would be nice rather than just a lock or warning. Max Barry will not respond even if I could find out where to find him, so please don't give me that crap like the last time I asked this. Seriously, it seems like every single time I come back to this site hoping to just freely post and converse, you moderators come in and tyrannize everything.
I assume Max Barry cares that the people using his site are unhappy.
Zukariaa, #d members do not make up all of the nations in NS. Just because #d is unhappy with the moderation team and NS as a whole, doesn't mean everyone on this site who isn't a moderator is unhappy.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:17 pmby Zukariaa
Hornopolis wrote:Zukariaa wrote:How do I complain about your rules if I don't like them? A clear answer would be nice rather than just a lock or warning. Max Barry will not respond even if I could find out where to find him, so please don't give me that crap like the last time I asked this. Seriously, it seems like every single time I come back to this site hoping to just freely post and converse, you moderators come in and tyrannize everything.
I assume Max Barry cares that the people using his site are unhappy.
Zukariaa, #d members do not make up all of the nations in NS. Just because #d is unhappy with the moderation team and NS as a whole, doesn't mean everyone on this site who isn't a moderator is unhappy.
Do I care? Clearly everyone on the site has to be unhappy for there to be a legitimate complaint.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:18 pmby Derkachuj
Derkachuj wrote:you best be careful now, zuk, they are going to get you insensibly banned and they are going to recommend a sensible appeal that will be very insensibly overlooked or made in a way that you can not submit.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:18 pmby NERVUN
Already answered. Now, what are you actually complaining about?
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:20 pmby NERVUN
Derkachuj wrote:Derkachuj wrote:you best be careful now, zuk, they are going to get you insensibly banned and they are going to recommend a sensible appeal that will be very insensibly overlooked or made in a way that you can not submit.
I'd remind you that using a puppet wouldn't help your case, whatever that is.
Now unless you have something relivant to add, please leave.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:22 pmby Zukariaa
I don't like how overbearing and unnecessary the rules on this forum are. I make a single semi-serious comment about how the system inadvertently encourages its members to turn on each other using the moderators as a shield, and then I'm immediately warned. Why is that necessary? I realize its in the rules but why? Use some judgment, you don't have to eat the rules for breakfast.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:23 pmby Derkachuj
Hornopolis wrote:Zukariaa, #d members do not make up all of the nations in NS. Just because #d is unhappy with the moderation team and NS as a whole, doesn't mean everyone on this site who isn't a moderator is unhappy.
You've been the first person to mention #d, but that must be automatically how these gentlemen identify themselves for not being proper brown nosers
also majority is always right? lul might is right hurr
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:28 pmby Voracious Vendetta
One thing I've always had a small grievance with is apparently if we try to help someone in the Moderator forum before a moderator comes, once the moderator does the solve the problem then we're yelled at for spamming moderation. I question them politely privately and i'm told to file GHR.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:30 pmby Mindhar
If I may interject: You seem to be going into this with a rather poor attitude. From your first post in the other thread I was already catching vibes of "The rules suck, the moderators suck and I'm probably going to get banned for this." Even the title of this thread anticipates a warning.
I dare say that the mods see this, assume you're cruising for a warning/suicide-by-mod, and are commensurately more harsh. Yes, the mods do fuck up a fair bit. Yes, some of their rules are not to my taste. Yes, they do toss out canned responses to complaints. Assuming some kind of personal vendetta against you, though, is ludicrous. There are what, a dozen mods or so, on a website with 60,000 nations? Most of them undoubtedly don't monitor the forum much, either. And one or two pages of new complaints surface per day. I find it hard to imagine that they even think about you unless they know you as a player from your preferred forum.
If you're the OP, or not the OP and still feel this applies to you, remember one of Wikipedia's cardinal rules: Assume good faith.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:32 pmby Derkachuj
Well the fact that they essentially mute any complaint, spam or whatever they call it in their newspeak, makes it rather useless to do so
but there should be more complaint
Oh nevermind, I've been given a nice solution, I can suck up and throw some mindless 'Jenrak is Jesus' sycophancy into my sig and never question and that will solve any problem, nothing can go wrong there
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:33 pmby Zukariaa
Mindhar wrote:If I may interject: You seem to be going into this with a rather poor attitude. From your first post in the other thread I was already catching vibes of "The rules suck, the moderators suck and I'm probably going to get banned for this." Even the title of this thread anticipates a warning.
I dare say that the mods see this, assume you're cruising for a warning/suicide-by-mod, and are commensurately more harsh. Yes, the mods do fuck up a fair bit. Yes, some of their rules are not to my taste. Yes, they do toss out canned responses to complaints. Assuming some kind of personal vendetta against you, though, is ludicrous. There are what, a dozen mods or so, on a website with 60,000 nations? Most of them undoubtedly don't monitor the forum much, either. And one or two pages of new complaints surface per day. I find it hard to imagine that they even think about you unless they know you as a player from your preferred forum.
If you're the OP, or not the OP and still feel this applies to you, remember one of Wikipedia's cardinal rules: Assume good faith.
Ulterior motives don't matter. There is literally no framework for bettering the way this site is run. You're either ruthlessly subject to the rules, told to use a system of appeals that never works, or directed to talk to Max Barry who is literally impossible to reach or get a response from.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:34 pmby NERVUN
Zukariaa wrote:I don't like how overbearing and unnecessary the rules on this forum are. I make a single semi-serious comment about how the system inadvertently encourages its members to turn on each other using the moderators as a shield, and then I'm immediately warned. Why is that necessary? I realize its in the rules but
why? Use some judgment, you don't have to eat the rules for breakfast.
The reason we want to keep people from posting in Moderation is beacuse this is not a discussion forum. If people are posting here, it is because they are seeking help. If a Moderator is posting here, it is to provide that help. Other comments can provide misinformation, thus causing more problems, or just clutter up a thread making it likely that we can miss the question, or the answer.
While the warning/ban rules seem draconian, it's because we spent a great deal of time asking, begging, people to NOT POST IN MODERATION just for those reasons without noticeable sucess. People kept posting until we started rolling out the warnings and bans, it's annoying, on both ends, but that's why.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:36 pmby Lunatic Goofballs
Zukariaa wrote:I don't like how overbearing and unnecessary the rules on this forum are. I make a single semi-serious comment about how the system inadvertently encourages its members to turn on each other using the moderators as a shield, and then I'm immediately warned. Why is that necessary? I realize its in the rules but
why? Use some judgment, you don't have to eat the rules for breakfast.
You were warned for spamming Moderation as illustrated here:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Zukariaa wrote:This site seriously encourages its members to turn on each other so they can get brownie points by reporting 'rule breakers'.
Some folks just can't resist commenting where their comments are not only unhelpful but unwanted.
*** Warned *** for spamming in Moderation.
Sharf can hold whatever illusions he likes, so long as he doesn't break the rules when posting. A sad attempt at snark isn't likely to be actionable.
I have reviewed her decision and as it says in the very first post in the Moderation forum:
Katganistan wrote:If you are not:
1) Bringing up a matter of concern with Moderation
2) Reporting a rules violation
3) Linking to a relevant rule or relevant post
4) Answering a report about yourself
do NOT post in moderation. We've gotten many, many, "in my opinion" posts and downright wrong non-mod rulings and they are just NOT HELPFUL.
We're going to start banning folks who can't just stay out unless they have something useful to say.
You're two cents were unhelpful and unnecessary in that moderation thread and I concur with her decision. If you have any further questions or complaints, they may be directed for further review by filing a
GHRThis issue is now closed. Have a lovely day and please help yourselves to free tacos on your way out.
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Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:38 pmby NERVUN
Voracious Vendetta wrote:One thing I've always had a small grievance with is apparently if we try to help someone in the Moderator forum before a moderator comes, once the moderator does the solve the problem then we're yelled at for spamming moderation. I question them politely privately and i'm told to file GHR.
Could you link me a post for that?
As for the private thing, that is due to a standing rule to not accept appeals via TGs. The problem with TGs is that even for Moderators, we don't have an infinate box so they don't get loged with the system the way a GHR or a thread in the forum is. That's why we don't accept an appeal made via TG.
Now, various Moderators have their own personal standards about questions asked via TGs. Some will reply, some will not. I, personally, attempt to reply as long as the question is not for a Moderator action but for information. Other Mods do not. Of course, they're more popular and have a lot more TGs. My box usually has crickets chirping.
