Legitimate complaints about the General forum

[Maurepas]

How about that request do unsticky the player information thread considering it's the same nonsense as the introduction thread?

It isn't really, nonsense or no nonsense. The Player Information thread is just that, player information, details attached with a person for reference. The Introduction thread is just that, for quick introductions and the like.

They are two different things.

[The Bleeding Roses]

How about that request do unsticky the player information thread considering it's the same nonsense as the introduction thread?

It isn't really, nonsense or no nonsense. The Player Information thread is just that, player information, details attached with a person for reference. The Introduction thread is just that, for quick introductions and the like.

They are two different things.

I think you mean they both clog up the page.

Stickies are unnecessary clutter unless they serve an administrative purpose. If a thread is worth a damn it would be on the first page regardless, thus my rationale for opposing the gravedigging proposal.

[Maurepas]

It isn't really, nonsense or no nonsense. The Player Information thread is just that, player information, details attached with a person for reference. The Introduction thread is just that, for quick introductions and the like.

They are two different things.

I think you mean they both clog up the page.

Stickies are unnecessary clutter unless they serve an administrative purpose. If a thread is worth a damn it would be on the first page regardless, thus my rationale for opposing the gravedigging proposal.

No, that isn't what I mean. What I meant was exactly what I said, that they are two different threads, regardless.

I disagree that they clog up the page, most every forum I'm on have several stickied topics that are used by everyone all the time, rather than simply being used then and there, and then discarded. It helps keep those types of threads available for people who aren't on quite as much, or live in odd time zones, and being that we've had stickied threads of various kinds for some time with no noticeable clogging whatsoever, I'd say the complaint is moot.

[The Bleeding Roses]

I think you mean they both clog up the page.

Stickies are unnecessary clutter unless they serve an administrative purpose. If a thread is worth a damn it would be on the first page regardless, thus my rationale for opposing the gravedigging proposal.

No, that isn't what I mean. What I meant was exactly what I said, that they are two different threads, regardless.

I disagree that they clog up the page, most every forum I'm on have several stickied topics that are used by everyone all the time, rather than simply being used then and there, and then discarded. It helps keep those types of threads available for people who aren't on quite as much, or live in odd time zones, and being that we've had stickied threads of various kinds for some time with no noticeable clogging whatsoever, I'd say the complaint is moot.

See the subscribe topic and bookmark topic button at the bottom of the page?

Those are there for those type of people. People like me, those who occasionally browse with a phone or don't give two shits about the person on the other end of the nation, don't enjoy scrolling down through pages of drivel to find a meaningful topic. NSG should be configured for the regular users, not for the casual lurker.

[Maurepas]

See the subscribe topic and bookmark topic button at the bottom of the page?

Those are there for those type of people. People like me, those who occasionally browse with a phone or don't give two shits about the person on the other end of the nation, don't enjoy scrolling down through pages of drivel to find a meaningful topic. NSG should be configured for the regular users, not for the casual lurker.

Ah, but therein lies the trick, General isn't about a particular type of topic, and involves alot of things concerning the person on the other end of the nation. NSG should be configured to its regular users indeed, as they've shown, it is the preference of said regular users that such threads exist. In fact, the stickied thread you complain about in particular, the "Introduce Yourself" thread, was a request by a regular user, and endorsed by the regular users.

[The Bleeding Roses]

See the subscribe topic and bookmark topic button at the bottom of the page?

Those are there for those type of people. People like me, those who occasionally browse with a phone or don't give two shits about the person on the other end of the nation, don't enjoy scrolling down through pages of drivel to find a meaningful topic. NSG should be configured for the regular users, not for the casual lurker.

Ah, but therein lies the trick, General isn't about a particular type of topic, and involves alot of things concerning the person on the other end of the nation. NSG should be configured to its regular users indeed, as they've shown, it is the preference of said regular users that such threads exist. In fact, the stickied thread you complain about in particular, the "Introduce Yourself" thread, was a request by a regular user, and endorsed by the regular users.

Congratulations! You just picked which thread should stay and which should go.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yet, an introductionary thread for new people can't be bookmarked by the new people, since, well, they're new.

[Belschaft]

Having broken it out once already this morning, I'll give the intros thread the Official SSA Stamp of Approval. Hopefully that's problem solved

It's useful. It's not hurting anyone. Thus it might as well stay.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Yet, an introductionary thread for new people can't be bookmarked by the new people, since, well, they're new.

Which is why it should be the only one of those two stickied....


Furthermore, does the wikileaks megathread need a sticky? If people wish to discuss it that thread would stay on page 1 regardless...

[Maurepas]

Ah, but therein lies the trick, General isn't about a particular type of topic, and involves alot of things concerning the person on the other end of the nation. NSG should be configured to its regular users indeed, as they've shown, it is the preference of said regular users that such threads exist. In fact, the stickied thread you complain about in particular, the "Introduce Yourself" thread, was a request by a regular user, and endorsed by the regular users.

Congratulations! You just picked which thread should stay and which should go.

I say they both should be stickied, one by request of the regular user, the people whose opinion you hold tantamount, as well as the Player Information thread. The Player Information thread, by its very nature, has to be stickied, as it is a resource thread that isn't posted into on a regular basis, it being stickied is the point of the thread.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Congratulations! You just picked which thread should stay and which should go.

I say they both should be stickied, one by request of the regular user, the people whose opinion you hold tantamount, as well as the Player Information thread. The Player Information thread, by its very nature, has to be stickied, as it is a resource thread that isn't posted into on a regular basis, it being stickied is the point of the thread.

Or posters could, you know, reveal pertinent information when it actually relates to the thread?


Or bookmark it?

[NERVUN]

Assuming we get through these changes, I think that my next project will be over winter break making an all in one thread to be stickied at the top of General, kind of like the First Stop For Moderation thread is currently. That way we can kick off a lot of those stickies and allow them to float while still allowing people to access things.

Befor everyone jumps for joy, this will happen AFTER I go on Break, which in Japan starts Christmas Day so it'll take a bit.

[Maurepas]

I say they both should be stickied, one by request of the regular user, the people whose opinion you hold tantamount, as well as the Player Information thread. The Player Information thread, by its very nature, has to be stickied, as it is a resource thread that isn't posted into on a regular basis, it being stickied is the point of the thread.

Or posters could, you know, reveal pertinent information when it actually relates to the thread?


Or bookmark it?

How is one supposed to bookmark a thread that one doesn't know exists?

[The Bleeding Roses]

Assuming we get through these changes, I think that my next project will be over winter break making an all in one thread to be stickied at the top of General, kind of like the First Stop For Moderation thread is currently. That way we can kick off a lot of those stickies and allow them to float while still allowing people to access things.

Befor everyone jumps for joy, this will happen AFTER I go on Break, which in Japan starts Christmas Day so it'll take a bit.

Glad to see someone is thinking logically.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Or posters could, you know, reveal pertinent information when it actually relates to the thread?


Or bookmark it?

How is one supposed to bookmark a thread that one doesn't know exists?

Search function?


To quote another forum I regular... RTFM.

or

"Read the fucking manual"

[Belschaft]

Assuming we get through these changes, I think that my next project will be over winter break making an all in one thread to be stickied at the top of General, kind of like the First Stop For Moderation thread is currently. That way we can kick off a lot of those stickies and allow them to float while still allowing people to access things.

Befor everyone jumps for joy, this will happen AFTER I go on Break, which in Japan starts Christmas Day so it'll take a bit.

The only problem with that I can see is that big threads can be intimidating, especially to newbs. I didn't get round to reading the rules fully till... well, I will. Soon. It hasn't hurt me yet.

Maybe keep it in two stickies: one for essential info, and one for the full thing?

[Maurepas]

Assuming we get through these changes, I think that my next project will be over winter break making an all in one thread to be stickied at the top of General, kind of like the First Stop For Moderation thread is currently. That way we can kick off a lot of those stickies and allow them to float while still allowing people to access things.

Befor everyone jumps for joy, this will happen AFTER I go on Break, which in Japan starts Christmas Day so it'll take a bit.

The only problem with that I can see is that big threads can be intimidating, especially to newbs. I didn't get round to reading the rules fully till... well, I will. Soon. It hasn't hurt me yet.

Maybe keep it in two stickies: one for essential info, and one for the full thing?

I think a stickied thread that contains links to the threads currently stickied(thereby consolidating them to a single link at the top) could be done quite well, and essentially solve the problem.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Assuming we get through these changes, I think that my next project will be over winter break making an all in one thread to be stickied at the top of General, kind of like the First Stop For Moderation thread is currently. That way we can kick off a lot of those stickies and allow them to float while still allowing people to access things.

Befor everyone jumps for joy, this will happen AFTER I go on Break, which in Japan starts Christmas Day so it'll take a bit.

The only problem with that I can see is that big threads can be intimidating, especially to newbs. I didn't get round to reading the rules fully till... well, I will. Soon. It hasn't hurt me yet.

Maybe keep it in two stickies: one for essential info, and one for the full thing?

Great, a suggestion to double the stickies...

Since when is a table of content intimidating?

[NERVUN]

The only problem with that I can see is that big threads can be intimidating, especially to newbs. I didn't get round to reading the rules fully till... well, I will. Soon. It hasn't hurt me yet.

Maybe keep it in two stickies: one for essential info, and one for the full thing?

I think a stickied thread that contains links to the threads currently stickied(thereby consolidating them to a single link at the top) could be done quite well, and essentially solve the problem.

What he said.

Pretty much it would be done like this: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=51022

Most, if not all, the stickies would be kicked and allowed to float with only the link thread stuck to allow people to find what they're looking for.

As I said though, this will take some time to get to. End of the year is a busy time for me.

[Laerod]

I'm a bit skeptical on the gravedig rule changes, but otherwise it sounds like a step in the right direction.

Skeptical about what?

It's just that I've never really seen many threads that age brought back by posts that amount to more than just "me too!" or "u mad?". It's also been my understanding that adding something substantial (new evidence, etc.) to a thread could justify a gravedig, even under the old rules. Dunno, it could end up encouraging people that wouldn't have otherwise resurrected old threads to add something substantial (which could be good) or encourage the worthless "bumps" eliciting complaints of "but the rules say 3 months!" (which would be annoying).

That's why I'm skeptical, though I'm not saying it shouldn't be tried.

[Wiztopia]

My personal suggestion is to KISS (keep it simple, s****d) and not allow gravedigs at all (basically, the way it is now?).

That is a terrible idea. Their definition of "gravedig" now is after one week.

Yet, an introductionary thread for new people can't be bookmarked by the new people, since, well, they're new.

Which is why it should be the only one of those two stickied....

Furthermore, does the wikileaks megathread need a sticky? If people wish to discuss it that thread would stay on page 1 regardless...

Uh they always sticky threads like that then unsticky them when it finally dies out.

Skeptical about what?

It's also been my understanding that adding something substantial (new evidence, etc.) to a thread could justify a gravedig, even under the old rules.

Sort of like this thread viewtopic.php?f=20&t=67768 that was bumped by the OP a few months later when more news came out for it.

[Hydesland]

I'm a bit skeptical on the gravedig rule changes, but otherwise it sounds like a step in the right direction.

Agreed, in fact I strongly oppose the new grave dig rules. Every time it causes a multitude of posters to start responding to posts that were months out of data, causing confusion, chaos and an annoying sense of deja vu, because people are generally desensitised to the dates of posts.

[Bluth Corporation]

I'm a bit skeptical on the gravedig rule changes, but otherwise it sounds like a step in the right direction.

Agreed, in fact I strongly oppose the new grave dig rules. Every time it causes a multitude of posters to start responding to posts that were months out of data, causing confusion, chaos and an annoying sense of deja vu, because people are generally desensitised to the dates of posts.

That's certainly true for current-events topics.

But what about:
A discussion on the role, purpose, and goals of "doing history"?
Or:
Thoughts on how Proletkult was ever allowed to survive at all given Bogdanov's influence?
Or:
The role of sexual orientation in defining a person's self-conception?

[The Blaatschapen]

My personal suggestion is to KISS (keep it simple, s****d) and not allow gravedigs at all (basically, the way it is now?).

That is a terrible idea. Their definition of "gravedig" now is after one week.

Two or three weeks would be okay too I guess. As long as it doesn't get too old and not with various shades of gray that newbies or stubborn people don't (want to) understand.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Furthermore, does the wikileaks megathread need a sticky? If people wish to discuss it that thread would stay on page 1 regardless...

Uh they always sticky threads like that then unsticky them when it finally dies out.

No. Megathreads are a relatively new invention in the lifespan of the forum.

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