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Rudastan
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[Q] Inquiry about a player

Postby Rudastan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:14 am

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The player behind the nation of Spyri was apparently allowed back on the site about 5 months ago, may we know the reasoning behind this?

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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:35 am

For the record, I deleted a previous reply, because I hadn't noticed the nation's forum signature.

The player "Rifty" had their DOS status rescinded in May 2022, following a request from the player, which included acceptance of their previous poor behaviour, and an apology, as well as further information it wouldn't be appropriate for us to disclose. The mod team assessed the request and felt it was worth giving the player another chance on the site.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:39 am

Okay, I have now removed a reply from a different player that contained a serious accusation that is completely inappropriate to post here. If there is information of that nature that you want us to consider, please submit a Getting Help Request.

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Spyri
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Postby Spyri » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:47 pm

Sedgistan wrote:Okay, I have now removed a reply from a different player that contained a serious accusation that is completely inappropriate to post here. If there is information of that nature that you want us to consider, please submit a Getting Help Request.

Really wish I got to see it.

Sedgistan wrote:For the record, I deleted a previous reply, because I hadn't noticed the nation's forum signature.

The player "Rifty" had their DOS status rescinded in May 2022, following a request from the player, which included acceptance of their previous poor behaviour, and an apology, as well as further information it wouldn't be appropriate for us to disclose. The mod team assessed the request and felt it was worth giving the player another chance on the site.

As Sedge mentioned the DOS was lifted in May of 2022. I didn't return until the creation of this account in May following stumbling across some NS shitpost on youtube and In truth didn't even notice it had been lifted until early 2023. I greatly appreciate that the Mod team considered what I said and lifted my DOS status.

I had rather an extensive history primarily of flaming/flamebaiting; When I look back at it Mods were very clear with what was acceptable and I consistently pushed that bar deliberately and then rattled up some BS arguments as to why it's okay for me to call someone a "cunt" because "im Australian" or some other deranged position was to why it was okay for me and not others. The site was effectively used as a playground for a very angry teenager and that just wasn't right.

Ontop of that we have the Forum destruction - which was hotheaded, over the top and probably one of the most vindictive things I've ever done. If I could go back and undo it, I would in a heartbeat.

I'm truly surprised I didn't receive the DOS status earlier as looking back I'm surprised with the extensive history and multiple puppet sweeps. I also didn't think the DOS would ever get lifted. The mod team made very clear it wasn't a fresh slate and if there was a return to previous behaviors then id be returned to being DOS. (see below)

Your request to return to the site has been considered by the Moderator team, and we have decided to lift your DoS status and allow you to return to the site. Please note that this is conditional on your good behaviour, and that if your old conduct returns you will be swiftly and permanently removed from the site. Please use this chance to return sensibly.


The site has changed a ton and it was really cool to return and see all the new things. Stuff like Policies, Cards and N-Day. I'm not all that interested in returning to R/D as I can see the culture around it has shifted and appears to be far more ideological these days and ima pass on that.

I'm just glad to be back and any wrongdoing people felt was targeted at them - I am very sorry.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:52 am

Cute edit to your signature about being banned from Discords. Want to include for context the part where your profile pic is porn and your pronouns are set to ask to be shown tits? Even without your history, that would have gotten you banned on sight.

Someone with no interest in gameplay regions and a supposedly sincere apologetic stance probably shouldn't be ringing in their ban reversal announcement by trolling every GP region they can find a link to.
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Postby Spyri » Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:27 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Cute edit to your signature about being banned from Discords. Want to include for context the part where your profile pic is porn and your pronouns are set to ask to be shown tits? Even without your history, that would have gotten you banned on sight.

Someone with no interest in gameplay regions and a supposedly sincere apologetic stance probably shouldn't be ringing in their ban reversal announcement by trolling every GP region they can find a link to.

Not sure if this is turning into spamming moderation but if it is - Lock it down please

Well the context you're speaking of wasn't shared with me by a single person. Never would have thought that would lead to being denied access but hey if but a single person had said that is why to me - id gladly have corrected it for the server. I've never had issues with the profile pic or pronouns. I don't genuinely think that's why tho - but i'll take your advice, make a new discord for NS, make it as tame as possible and see if i'm welcome there

I'm sorry you've perceived it as trolling; wasn't my intention and in truth I don't think I have. My extent on discord so far has been literally joining a server, doing the onboarding, disclosing who I am and said "hello everybody". Not a single thing more has been done in any servers. I genuinely don't know what you could be perceiving as trolling.

Either way, I'm glad to be back and it's nice to see you're still around keeping well :)
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"The foibles of politics and the march of time can turn friends into enemies
just as easily as the wind changes. Ridiculous, isn’t it? Yesterday’s ally becomes today’s opposition….
Enemies change along with the times, and the flow of the ages. So then what is an enemy?
Is there such thing as an absolute timeless enemy? There is no such thing and never has been.
And the reason is that our enemies are human beings like us.
They can only be our enemies in relative terms."




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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:45 am

Spyri wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Cute edit to your signature about being banned from Discords. Want to include for context the part where your profile pic is porn and your pronouns are set to ask to be shown tits? Even without your history, that would have gotten you banned on sight.

Someone with no interest in gameplay regions and a supposedly sincere apologetic stance probably shouldn't be ringing in their ban reversal announcement by trolling every GP region they can find a link to.

Not sure if this is turning into spamming moderation but if it is - Lock it down please

Well the context you're speaking of wasn't shared with me by a single person. Never would have thought that would lead to being denied access but hey if but a single person had said that is why to me - id gladly have corrected it for the server. I've never had issues with the profile pic or pronouns. I don't genuinely think that's why tho - but i'll take your advice, make a new discord for NS, make it as tame as possible and see if i'm welcome there

I'm sorry you've perceived it as trolling; wasn't my intention and in truth I don't think I have. My extent on discord so far has been literally joining a server, doing the onboarding, disclosing who I am and said "hello everybody". Not a single thing more has been done in any servers. I genuinely don't know what you could be perceiving as trolling.

Either way, I'm glad to be back and it's nice to see you're still around keeping well :)

You're sorry that it was perceived as trolling, so your solution is to go back into these places that you now know for a fact you are not welcome in under a new identity, making those same people worry that they're unknowingly harboring you? That does not sound very atoning to me, it sounds like you're still causing harm to our communities all this time later. Please take the hint and stick to NSG or somewhere you don't have a history of hurting people who are still playing and don't want you around.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:07 pm

The fact that they’re wearing their former DOS status in their signature as a badge of honour and threatening to violate bans imposed on them by individual region admins offsite in this very thread says everything the mod team should need to know about the authenticity of their remorse.

The willingness of the moderators to remove a DOS on the basis that “they said sorry” is extremely concerning to me.

Sedgistan wrote: The mod team assessed the request and felt it was worth giving the player another chance on the site.


“Worth it” for who exactly?
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:02 pm

Two simple questions from me, really.

1. Is moderation confidently aware of Rifty's offsite stuff, its extent, etc?

2. If yes, was that a factor in rescinding the DoS?

Simply put, while I get staff is very reluctant to take offsite matters into account, there are often cases where a player finally slips up and gets the boot on-site, after years of offsite torment and nonsense, and we all breathe a sigh of relief. Mauroa, for example, had his issues onsite but finally bit the dust over a commercialization violation, you know, after nearly 5 years of harassing the shit out of me and others to call us slurs or whatever else. If he comes back in a few years and gets off the hook because he simply atones to staff satisfaction for his onsite stuff, that would be absurd. Such seems to be the actual case here.
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Postby United Calanworie » Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:08 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Two simple questions from me, really.

1. Is moderation confidently aware of Rifty's offsite stuff, its extent, etc?

No player has actively submitted anything more than what amounts to hearsay via GHR. If you happen to have actual logs, etc, of information that would constitute a serious accusation, as Sedge mentioned earlier, please submit a GHR.

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Postby Spyri » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:19 pm

Quebecshire wrote:1. Is moderation confidently aware of Rifty's offsite stuff, its extent, etc?

Heck even id like to know what I did offsite because i'm drawing a blank here. Very few people I've even interacted with during my absence from this site.

Numero Capitan wrote:The fact that they’re wearing their former DOS status in their signature as a badge of honour

Badge of honor? I'm being honest about who I am. No one had issues with me prior to being upfront. It really feels like everyone would rather had me lie about who I am...

Numero Capitan wrote:threatening to violate bans imposed on them by individual region admins offsite in this very thread says everything the mod team should need to know about the authenticity of their remorse.

As souls said - I was removed from discords because of my PFP (which was tame, cropped Rule-34 art inwhich contained zero explicit content and has been there for 2 years) and my pronouns (which were she/them/tiddies). I'm saying i'll correct the issues and make a new discord so I can continue to keep my main how I like it and not infringe on discord server rules.

Now we all know this isn't why i'm allowed in - however I just want to be sure that is why i'm not welcome so I'll double check in every other discord and see if I still get the boot.

Outside of Bhang Bhang Duc stating his opinon and being clear as to why I'm not welcome within The West pacific - no one else has provided me any level of information other than Souls. Of course I won't attempt to rejoin TWP's discord as they don't want me there for reasons other than my pfp and pronoun. Reasons I respect and people are welcome to have. I don't expect people to treat me like I'm absolved of my sins but a bit of a backbone to be able to say "we don't want you here" would have been nice.

Numero Capitan wrote:The willingness of the moderators to remove a DOS on the basis that “they said sorry” is extremely concerning to me.

Brother It has been 8 years since I was declared DOS. 2 Years since I've been able to return. I've been back 5 months without a return to form so I think they made a good call on this one.

There was a bit more to it than just saying sorry - I've served my time and I'm glad the mods saw it the same way.

Ambroscus Koth wrote:You're sorry that it was perceived as trolling, so your solution is to go back into these places that you now know for a fact you are not welcome in under a new identity, making those same people worry that they're unknowingly harboring you?

I know for a fact I'm not welcome in TWP because of who I am. That's the only fact I know. Every other server i'm going of what people who have remained on this site in my absence are telling me is why.

Not suggesting I make it so people unknowingly harbor me. I have been nothing but upfront about who I am with my entry into every single discord. I again would be doing the same but correcting the issues souls advised me were why I wasn't welcome in any discord.

Ambroscus Koth wrote:That does not sound very atoning to me, it sounds like you're still causing harm to our communities all this time later.

I don't need to atone; I've served my time. I need to act like a decent human being and not abuse people on the forums is what I need to do.
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"The foibles of politics and the march of time can turn friends into enemies
just as easily as the wind changes. Ridiculous, isn’t it? Yesterday’s ally becomes today’s opposition….
Enemies change along with the times, and the flow of the ages. So then what is an enemy?
Is there such thing as an absolute timeless enemy? There is no such thing and never has been.
And the reason is that our enemies are human beings like us.
They can only be our enemies in relative terms."




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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:04 am

Numero Capitan wrote:The willingness of the moderators to remove a DOS on the basis that “they said sorry” is extremely concerning to me.

This is a misrepresentation of what was said.

The further speculation and commentary on a player's status on the site is not appropriate, and the thread is therefore being locked. Please refer to above comments from myself and Aav regarding GHRs if people have information they want us to consider about a player that is not appropriate for forum posting.


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