New staff hierarchy (Jan 2024)

by **Second Dimetrodon Empire** » Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:46 pm

Vistulange wrote:It's always nice to see Sedgistan be given more and more responsibility since he's demonstrated how well he can behave in such roles.

Anyway, congratulations to everybody else.

Despite past instances, I don't think it is bad. It should be noted that Sedge's new role on the site staff seems to involve less moderation and seems to be more behind the scenes management and team coordination: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=85133 .

While staff members can have multiple roles, Sedgistan is no longer listed under the section pertaining to "Moderation Team" in that thread. His position seems to be more of a behind the scenes administrative one now. (Unless there is something major I'm missing)

by **Dakota** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:12 am

[violet] wrote:Thanks all.

I appreciate that not everyone will be happy with every appointment, but I would like people to steer away from the drive-by slandering. We don't have a right to be liked or agreed with, but it's not great when someone offhandedly labels you as (say) a well-known eater of kittens.

We have a public process for reporting mods who eat kittens, and we report the findings back here, so everyone can see for themselves.

Slander implies it's false, while nearly every action I've seen from Sedge concerning the trans community points towards being transphobic at worst or just painfully ignorant at best. There's reason for the trans community on NS to be concerned or uncomfortable with the appointment.

by **Vistulange** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 1:27 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Vistulange wrote:It's always nice to see Sedgistan be given more and more responsibility since he's demonstrated how well he can behave in such roles.

Anyway, congratulations to everybody else.

Despite past instances, I don't think it is bad. It should be noted that Sedge's new role on the site staff seems to involve less moderation and seems to be more behind the scenes management and team coordination: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=85133 .

While staff members can have multiple roles, Sedgistan is no longer listed under the section pertaining to "Moderation Team" in that thread. His position seems to be more of a behind the scenes administrative one now. (Unless there is something major I'm missing)

Doesn't matter. Sedgistan should have been stood down then, he should be stood down now. As indignant as I may be toward [violet] demonstrating such blatant disrespect to the RP community to refer to it as "slander," this isn't the thread for it.

So, basically, what you consider to be petty, I consider to be wholly appropriate. That is all I will say because this is not the right place. If you really want to discuss this, shoot me a telegram. Don't drag it on.

by **Bormiar** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:34 am

Players like Dakota are posting in good faith. I say this with him in mind because I know him personally and am certain he has no plot to slander Sedgistan.

by **Snowish Republic** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:44 am

What's the context on the Sedgistan situation?

by **Second Dimetrodon Empire** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:51 am

Pythagosaurus seems to have been removed from the Administrators group but is still in the Global moderators group (despite his default group now being Registered users). Not sure if that is intentional or not.

by **Bormiar** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:16 pm

Snowish Republic wrote:What's the context on the Sedgistan situation?

He’s often curt and occasionally dismissive in his representation of the mod team. This has precipitated into multiple serious controversies which might have been mitigated had the mod team phrased its positions in slightly nicer terms.

Sedge ruled a while ago that “trans people are mentally ill” is not actionable and recently was involved in a tiny controversy after warning Koth that his saying “Cormac goes by they/them now” borders on posting-on-behalf-of-a-DOS. Players who already disliked Sedge are using this to argue that he’s also a transphobe.

Look to the signature of Vistulange above for information on another controversy - the Kraven situation.

Still, I hope I can serve as proof that one can be entirely aware of Sedge’s past fights with the NS community and still come out liking the guy.

by **Sedgistan** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 1:34 pm

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:It should be noted that Sedge's new role on the site staff seems to involve less moderation and seems to be more behind the scenes management and team coordination: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=85133 .

This is correct - I will be doing very little moderating going forwards beyond occasional bits of game modding to keep in touch with the flow of things, or when there is a particularly compelling case for myself to get involved (e.g. supporting in emergency situations). This also includes stepping back from SC legality rulings.

by **Ineva** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:07 pm

Congratulations to all.

by **Zoey** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:59 pm

Congratulations, and the new Site Staff member thread looks good

by **New Eestiball** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:51 am

congratulations to everyone, including the one kicked upstairs.

by **Sawenia** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:19 am

congarts

by **Flanderlion** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:54 am

Congrats to all, all well deserved, and glad to see the structure change as the site evolves. I especially like the focus on including various communities that aren't really represented - although P2TM is a glaring vacant spot, along with Arts and Fiction - assuming there is a community there but never really looked.

I'm amused that the group that complain about anything found something to complain about with a site staff restructure that likely won't affect them, but I'm not sure if I should be surprised. Never really had anything to do with Pyth, but does he get a badge on his nation when it's not CTEd for former admin?

by **Sedgistan** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:23 am

Flanderlion wrote:I especially like the focus on including various communities that aren't really represented - although P2TM is a glaring vacant spot, along with Arts and Fiction - assuming there is a community there but never really looked.

P2TM is a work in progress for filling that role. If Giovenith hadn't retired, or Esternial been swallowed up by RL, either would have been a natural choice. A&F is sufficiently similar to NSG to group together, and our Community Lead for those forums (Arch) participates in A&F from time to time.

Flanderlion wrote:Never really had anything to do with Pyth, but does he get a badge on his nation when it's not CTEd for former admin?

We don't actually have a "Retired Admin" badge, since there's only ever been one before Pyth ([dredd], who was only around for the very initial days), so Pyth has got the "Retired Mod" badge instead. Admins aren't usually allowed to retire, but perhaps one of them could code Pyth a unique badge (maybe with a dinousaur fossil) for the one long-serving admin who escaped the enclosure?

by **Tinhampton** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:01 am

Also, my apologies for not bringing this up earlier, but does VH's role as Director of Content cover all non-forum UGC (including dispatches, maps, and so on; it would be unreasonable to expect him to have free reign over the entire forums) or only issues? And if it only covers issues, why is he not called the Director of Issues instead?

by **Sedgistan** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:10 am

The issues team, and VH's role, covers more than just issues - there's all the site-generated nation page content, e.g. textual nation description, rankings, and the various pie charts. The team, and VH, don't cover purely player-generated content such as dispatches or maps.

by **The Ambis** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:14 am

Goodness gracious. A purple Sedge is something I now have to get used to...

by **Second Dimetrodon Empire** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:37 am

The Ambis wrote:Goodness gracious. A purple Sedge is something I now have to get used to...

Indeed.

Also, I noticed a subtle change to his pretitle.

The Oh My GOD! What were they thinking! He's not a MODERATOR!

by **Jar Wattinree** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:50 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Ambis wrote:Goodness gracious. A purple Sedge is something I now have to get used to...

Indeed.

Also, I noticed a subtle change to his pretitle.

The Oh My GOD! What were they thinking! He's not a MODERATOR!

Now that’s brilliant.

Congrats to all.

by **Crazy girl** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:23 am

Oh bugger, I forgot I had some pre-titles to change!

Off to cause trouble!

by **The Dodo Republic** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:49 am

I dont particularly know or follow the drama or people when it comes to the moderation, but from a read this seems good. Congrats to all promoted

by **Bhang Bhang Duc** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:54 am

Crazy girl wrote:Oh bugger, I forgot I had some pre-titles to change!

Off to cause trouble!

Well caffeinated trouble I hope CG.

Congratulations all round by the way.

by **Sporaltryus** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:12 am

Sedgistan wrote:This also includes stepping back from SC legality rulings.

Will an additional moderator step up to start ruling on SC resolutions?

by **Crazy girl** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:18 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Well caffeinated trouble I hope CG.

Only had 1 so far today!

Sporaltryus wrote:Will an additional moderator step up to start ruling on SC resolutions?

The SC is still stuck with me

by **Panagouge** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:40 pm

Crazy girl wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Well caffeinated trouble I hope CG.

Only had 1 so far today!

Sporaltryus wrote:Will an additional moderator step up to start ruling on SC resolutions?

The SC is still stuck with me

I hope your twenty year escape plan will work.

They'll keep you stuck to your new role eternally otherwise.

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