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OSRS update: Notifications for WA Campaigns/Recruitment

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OSRS update: Notifications for WA Campaigns/Recruitment

Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:22 am

We have made two small changes (underlined below) to the rules on WA Advertising and Regional Recruitment to clarify current practice:
*Regional Advertising Spam: Regions can advertise themselves either via Telegrams, or in the Gameplay forum as per the requirements in the Guide to the Gameplay forum.

The rules on sending recruitment telegrams can be found in the FAQs. Most importantly, they must have the "recruitment" checkbox ticked before sending. Note that there are niche circumstances where a telegram encouraging a nation to move region may not require the recruitment checkbox be ticked, such as a region schism resulting in the community splitting between two regions, a telegram asking a member of your region's military to deploy to another region on a mission, a region relocating its community to another region, or a welcome telegram that encourages nations to move to another region. We strongly encourage you to seek a ruling on your situation first via GHR if you are unsure whether one of those exceptions applies to a telegram you intend to send.

Posting regional advertisements on the Regional Message Boards of other regions is not permitted. Minor violations of this should be handled by a region's Regional Officers; egregious and multi-regional violations should be reported via GHR for Moderators to handle.

Tagging nations (whether in Dispatches or RMB posts) for the purpose of regional advertising is prohibited.

*WA Advertising Spam: Non-natives and region-hoppers are forbidden to post WA advertisements or requests for proposal approval outside of their native region. The game-created regions (Listed above) are no exception to this rule. Requests for proposal approval may be telegrammed to WA delegates, but must be tagged appropriately. More than one request per proposal may be considered spam if the telegrams are materially the same. WA campaign telegrams shouldn't be sent to non-WA members. Tagging nations (whether in Dispatches or RMB posts) for the purpose of WA proposal campaigning is prohibited.

This behaviour is prohibited as it is considered evasion of TG filters that allow players to decide for themselves if they want to be contacted about recruitment or WA proposal campaigns. It has not commonly been attempted, as most players have the common sense to realise this, although a recent case has prompted us to ensure this is clearly codified.

This doesn't affect other common use of tagging nations in dispatches, such as regions which do so for the purpose of soliciting WA endorsements.

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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:00 am

Is the persistent pingspam that many Admin-Created Regions indulge in via both bot-generated dispatches and bot-generated RMB posts now illegal?
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:06 am

Can you link to examples?

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:55 am

Sedgistan wrote:Can you link to examples?

I think this may be an example of the RMB posts NPU was referring to.

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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:57 am

Thanks, that's fine. Contacting a nation within your region about that region, is not considered recruitment. That's typical "integration" actions that many large functioning regions carry out to engage members of their region.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:15 am

Sedgistan wrote:Thanks, that's fine. Contacting a nation within your region about that region, is not considered recruitment. That's typical "integration" actions that many large functioning regions carry out to engage members of their region.

As an example, today I created a new nation that was founded in "The East Pacific". It moved out of that region minutes after founding, and 75 minutes after leaving the admin-created region was pinged in this dispatch (additional details about the specific nation can be provided to the moderation team via GHR if requested, but I will not make the puppet's identity public).

"Tagging nations (whether in Dispatches or RMB posts) for the purpose of regional advertising is prohibited." -OSRS

While the dispatch purports to be for the purpose of integration, the fact that nations having left the region long before are still pinged makes it in essence a form of recruitment as an effort at encouraging them to (re)join the region. Such behaviour is at best egregiously annoying spam and I struggle to see a reasonable argument as to how it is not a prohibited form of regional advertising.
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The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby United Calanworie » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:55 am

The North Polish Union wrote:Such behaviour is at best egregiously annoying spam and I struggle to see a reasonable argument as to how it is not a prohibited form of regional advertising.

Because not everyone shares the same crusade against GCRs that you do, NPU. You asked a question and got a response, the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean that the response isn't valid. It's not "egregiously annoying spam" to be mentioned in a dispatch, and to say that regions cannot engage in integration via dispatch seems somewhat ridiculous, and would likely cripple infrastructure across many regions, not just GCRs.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:52 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:Such behaviour is at best egregiously annoying spam and I struggle to see a reasonable argument as to how it is not a prohibited form of regional advertising.

Because not everyone shares the same crusade against GCRs that you do, NPU. You asked a question and got a response, the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean that the response isn't valid. It's not "egregiously annoying spam" to be mentioned in a dispatch, and to say that regions cannot engage in integration via dispatch seems somewhat ridiculous, and would likely cripple infrastructure across many regions, not just GCRs.

With all due respect I disagree. This is not the "Contacting a nation within your region about that region" that Sedge said was not recruitment but integration. It is contacting a nation outside your region about your region, otherwise known as recruitment.
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Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby The Ambis » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:44 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:Because not everyone shares the same crusade against GCRs that you do, NPU. You asked a question and got a response, the fact that you don't like it doesn't mean that the response isn't valid. It's not "egregiously annoying spam" to be mentioned in a dispatch, and to say that regions cannot engage in integration via dispatch seems somewhat ridiculous, and would likely cripple infrastructure across many regions, not just GCRs.

With all due respect I disagree. This is not the "Contacting a nation within your region about that region" that Sedge said was not recruitment but integration. It is contacting a nation outside your region about your region, otherwise known as recruitment.

To my understanding, these dispatches are automated. They pull from a group of nations, and posts it in the dispatch. Not targeted. Just accidental
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:21 pm

The Ambis wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:With all due respect I disagree. This is not the "Contacting a nation within your region about that region" that Sedge said was not recruitment but integration. It is contacting a nation outside your region about your region, otherwise known as recruitment.

To my understanding, these dispatches are automated. They pull from a group of nations, and posts it in the dispatch. Not targeted. Just accidental

Makes no difference to someone on a moral crusade. Any cause no matter how minor is cause enough; that's just a technicality easily ignored.
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